Of Holocaust Deniers and Tables
Eric Hufschmid shows why people should buy his 9-11 Denial Tables and not Dylan Avery's. Eric sells lots of tables--Holocaust Revisionism Tables, Man Didn't Walk on the Moon Tables, Grassy Knoll Tables, and he can't understand why those tables might affect his ability to sell more 9-11 Denial Tables than Dylan, Korey & Jason.
When you buy tables from a carpenter who lies or cheats, you are denying money to a carpenter who is honest. Eventually the honest carpenters will be driven to bankruptcy, and all that will remain are the dishonest and incompetent carpenters.
Yes, and when you buy 9-11 Denial Tables from a Holocaust Revisionist, that enables him to stay in business when his Holocaust Revisionism Tables aren't selling particularly well.
You know how it is; Hufschmid is right when he says Dylan sells shoddy tables; he's wrong when he claims his are better quality.
posted by Pat @ 6:36 AM
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36 Comments:
If you were one of the 200,000, 5.8 mil or 6 mil, you wouldn't care about exact numbers...Idiots
How are we idiots for wanting people to be truthful? Lowballing the deaths of the Jews is an insult. Saying 200,000 died is ridiculous.
Well, he's right, the actual number is irrelevant to the greater picture; no matter what the real number of people killed, it was a horror of massive proportions. Which is why the revisionists are such assholes. They're basicaly saying "aw, man, the holocaust wasn't so bad! it was really only one million jews that got killed. that's nothing!". They're trying to show that there's this massive coverup by Ze EEEVil Zionists to make a small scuffle into a huge thing in order to get sympathy from the world.
In reality, the official numbers most likely ARE accurate, and the real number truly is irrelevant anyway. It's the idea of a country attempting to systematicaly wipe out an entire religion that's horrifying, not questions of just how succesfull they were in achieving that goal.
Well, he's right, the actual number is irrelevant to the greater picture
True, but it is important to get the numbers as accurate as possible.
Notice the deniers focus on the Jews instead of the 5-6 million others killed in the extermination.
Tempestuous, easy for you to rant about people here caring about the number. Why don't you go to a Jewish Forum or Blog and start ranting about the number there, you obnoxious pustule.
o/t:
read the most recent 2 comments... he's sure owning them. too bad they never admit defeat, they just wriggle out from under, evade, deny, and continue on to claim moral victory. sigh.
wow a paper that cites no sources,, how grand...wake up andrew
Was this guy reading the same Viewer's Guide as the rest of us?
The truth about the "holyco$t" :D
And before any of you discount the above, check their sources first and see if it jibes with what they are saying. It pretty much does.
And remember geniuses, the allies won the war and then wrote the history. You think they were really going to paint the Nazis as humanitarians or monsters to justify their destruction? Easy.
STOP LINKING TO IHR.
If you want to prove your point you're going to have to use people without an agenda.
And remember geniuses, the allies won the war and then wrote the history. You think they were really going to paint the Nazis as humanitarians or monsters to justify their destruction? Easy.
They didn't have to paint them as anything. The Nazis admitted to their crimes (and no, not under torture). There were indeed rumors that were hyperbole (the soap making, while there may have been one experimental use of it it was not on a large scale; the Soviet plaque at Auschwitz), but the generally accepted number is factually supported.
Why do most of the board members of the IHR blame everything on the "Jews"?
Pick up Denying History sometime (though I know you'll just say it's a Jewish whitewashing).
As I said before, there is no scholarly reason to accept Holocaust "revisionism".
If you want to prove your point you're going to have to use people without an agenda.
As if the Zionists don't have an agenda to burry the truth? Give me a break. Do don't take IHR's word for it, look through the following and see if what they are saying is true or not. They've only condensed the obvious and made the work of digging for the truth that much easier. I applaud IHR in their courageous attempts to shed a light on the Zionist roaches. Unfortunately, that has gotten them firebombed and their organizers threatened and one nearly killed. All the while they have never hurt anyone like the terrorist goons over at ADL and JDL.
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Globe and Mail (Toronto), Jan. 22, 1992.
Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal (IMT "blue series"), Vol. 22, p. 496.
IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496.
Globe and Mail (Toronto), April 25, 1990; See also: M. Weber, "Jewish Soap," The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1991.
Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), Jan. 30, 1992.
See: Barbara Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die: Report of the Evidence in the Canadian 'False News' Trial of Ernst Zndel (Toronto: Samisdat, 1992), pp. 192, 300, 349.
"The Revised Hilberg," Simon Wiesenthal Annual, Vol. 3, 1986, p. 294.
B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die (Toronto: 1992), pp. 24-25.
A. Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in History (Pantheon, 1988), p. 365.
Nuremberg document 008-USSR.; IMT "blue series," Vol. 39, pp. 241, 261.
B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die (Toronto: 1992), p. 441.
Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Sept. 22, 1989; Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million," Daily Telegraph (London), July 17, 1990; "Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death Toll Estimate to 1 Million," The Washington Times, July 17, 1990.
J.-C. Pressac, Les Cr¦metoires d'Auschwitz: La machinerie du meurtre de masse (Paris: CNRS, 1993). See also: R. Faurisson, "Jean-Claude Pressac's New Auschwitz Book," The Journal of Historical Review, Jan.-Feb. 1994, p. 24.
IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 485; Nuremberg document 3868-PS (USA-819), in IMT "blue series," Vol. 33, pp. 275-279.
Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235-237; C. Hitchens, "Whose History is it?," Vanity Fair (New York), Dec. 1993, p. 117.
See: R. Faurisson, "How the British Obtained the Confession of Rudolf Höss," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
A deluxe edition of The Leuchter Report is available from the IHR for $20.00, plus $2.00 shipping.
The complete text of this report was published in English in The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1991.
G. Rudolf, Gutachten ueber die Bildung und Nachweisbarkeit von Cyanidverbindungen in den 'Gaskammern' von Auschwitz (London: 1993). See: The Journal of Historical Review, Nov.-Dec. 1993, pp. 25-26.
"The 'Lüftl Report'," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1992-93.
As I said before, there is no scholarly reason to accept Holocaust "revisionism".
Exactly, if you want to hide and fear the truth from getting out that is.
The Nazis admitted to their crimes
You mean the "truth" was tortured out of them. Did you know nearly a million Germans died under "allied" occupation? I bet you didn't.
Why do most of the board members of the IHR blame everything on the "Jews"?
Why do the Jew leaders blame everything on the whole world and then demanded and got their Zionist state?
Here’s what really happened during World War 2 with the Jews and the Germans if you guys didn’t know. Zionist/Masonic leaders in the UK decided to use the tide of Jews immigrating peacefully to Palestine and who where coexisting with the native Arabs. The new if they could overwhelm the region with Jewish settlers, it would create tension in the area to and create conflicts were Arab rulers could be manipulated into accepting Anglo/European mandates and also keep the area just under a boil in a run up to the next world war.
Zionist leaders negotiated with Hitler who was probably himself a Zionist Jew, to transfer the whole of the Jewish population to detention centers where they would immigrate to Palestine eventually. This is called the Transfer Agreement. However, at the same time, Hitler was allowed to run wild in Europe ensuring that one day and allied force would come in and decimate the German population. During this Great War, it was simple thing to prevent food, water and other necessitates from getting to the people held in the detention/deportation centers thereby creating a humanitarian crisis. The Zionist, however, planned things this way as Zionist goals were in the fringe area of Judaism and many mainstream Jews were opposed to voluntary immigration to Palestine. The ensuing humanitarian crisis changed all that under the guise of the Jewish “Holocaust.” From that point on it was a simple thing to terrorize Jews into acceptance of the Zionist goals. Along with heavy anti-German propaganda, stories of Jewish soap and lampshades, created the right atmosphere were mainstream Judaism was now ready to accept the mass migration to Palestine.
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What if everything you believed was a lie?
You mean the "truth" was tortured out of them. Did you know nearly a million Germans died under "allied" occupation? I bet you didn't.
I told you it wasn't tortured out them, you can't play that card. What about the documents? All forgeries? What about the speeches? Were they not really antisemites? Gonna fall back on Irving's incorrect translation of ausrotten?
Why do the Jew leaders blame everything on the whole world and then demanded and got their Zionist state?
Keep peddling falsehoods.
Nesnyc, I never said the IHR doesn't use real sources. What they do is ignore all the evidence that proves the Holocaust was purposeful and committed by the State (as opposed to people getting sick). You'll see one of them write "nobody died at Auschwitz" but when you follow to their source it say "it was a sunny day at Auschwitz".
If you trust these people you are beyond him. Keep denying the truth.
Here’s what really happened...
Followed by what didn't happen. Interesting. Perhaps you can be intellectually honest for once?
Nesnyc, I know you don't know whta the convergence of evidence is, but Holocaust deniers don't have it. It's where you take separate lines of evidence (none of which alone prove anything) to prove the history of an event.
To deny the Holocaust you need to ignore everything Himmler, Hitler, and Eichmann wrote. You also have to reject all testimony as endured under torture, when there's no evidence for that but your antisemitic bias.
Again, there is no scholarly basis for Holocaust denial. It is for German ultranationalists, antisemites, ultracritics of Israel, and folks trying to make a moral equivalence argument (as you did).
What they do is ignore all the evidence that proves the Holocaust was purposeful and committed by the State (as opposed to people getting sick).
There is no "evidence" only testimony as you point out. Nazis were meticulous record keepers and to this day no one has found the orders to exterminate the Jews on any written pieces of paper. There goes your theory.
Again, there is no scholarly basis for Holocaust denial.
Yes there is. For instance, can you prove those "gas chambers" really existed and if so, how did they actually work?
There goes your theory.
There are plenty of records of the death squads in the East. There's also "liquidation" orders. Wannsee. And since you wouldn't know why hitler never gave a written order (since you're an idiot), research T4.
We know how the gas chambers work.
Do you know how they couldn't be delousing chambers? Delousing takes hours, these people were in the chambers for twenty minutes. Real delousing chambers are small, not able to fit more than a person. Also, the delousing "theory" doesn't explain the carbon monoxide chamber, as carbon monoxide isn't use in delousing.
God, I love owning you people.
There's less evidence for the Rape of Nanking, nesnyc. Do you believe that didn't happen either? Just an attempt to demonize the Japanese?
as carbon monoxide isn't use in delousing.
Ha, owned? How did they come up with the time and fuel to this six million times? It would have taken them 10 years at the least. The only thing you own is ignorance.
BTW, those "chambers" were not air-tight like we see in, say, US prison execution chambers. Experts have testified that these rooms could never be used for the stated purpose as the people who supposedly did the deed would have gassed themselves in the process.
Ha, owned? How did they come up with the time and fuel to this six million times?
hahah and you call me ignorant? The six million weren't all killed in the camps. And it doesn't take much Zyklon B (or CO) to kill a human being.
BTW, those "chambers" were not air-tight like we see in, say, US prison execution chambers. Experts have testified that these rooms could never be used for the stated purpose as the people who supposedly did the deed would have gassed themselves in the process.
Unfortunately we have testimony to the contrary. Even a denier admitted that dropping from the roof and cealing the entry wouldn't harm the executioner.
Oh, by the way, in Rwanda they killed nearly a million in a matter of months without a huge State behind them. Oh man, how did they do it?! Amazing!
Face it, moron, you believe in this unsupported nonsense because you want to believe. There's very few historical events we have as much evidence for as the Holocaust, yet you question it above all else?
Tell me why the focus of deniers is on the Jews, what of the five to six million others who died?
And you didn't answer my question - did the Rape of Nanking happen?
Ok so you mock church-going folk, but you also have a problem with atheists?
But I also think it would be quite easy to dupe an atheist, because they look at everything in terms of debunking.
That's not entirely true. It's that we don't believe in something when it's illogical, or without evidence.
For instance, you don't see us "debunking" the Holocaust (as nesnyc and his ilk attempt and fail at terribly) because there's a covergence of evidence that proves beyond any doubt that the event happened, and that it happened a certain way.
excellent wordage now tempestuous. Gone now is the intellectual biggotry of your previous vocabulary. Glad to see something brings the animal out in you.
I happen to be very far from anything you call me, but you are entitled to your opinion. Ever since you have come to this blog you have done nothing except (a) try to belittle people here, or (b) mouth off, or (c)accuse people of malicous intent, none of which are true.
Just about every person who comes here, does so because they believe in what they are saying, and actually care about those who lost their lives in 9/11.
People care about the "number" as you call it, here, because we often see holocaust deniers try to lessen the number as a way of making the horrible crimes look smaller. You were right about one thing. Whether it was 6 million, or 200,000, the crimes were still horrible, and the Nazi's were murderous scum bags.
Perhaps if you were civil a majority of the time (all of us have our moments re: my pustule comment, but you seem to be angry and nasty 95% of the time you post here, which is helping noone.
You pissed me off right from your first few posts where you tried to act superior with your wordage and self rightuous tone. At least, through getting you annoyed, i seemed to have temporarily gotten rid of your over the top intellectual wordage.
Face it, moron, you believe in this unsupported nonsense because you want to believe. There's very few historical events we have as much evidence for as the Holocaust, yet you question it above all else?
Hey, the lampshades and human soap were all myths, why should we believe the "official" count? Face it, the "six million" is a lie and a propaganda myth, they can't even come up with the names for the insurance claims over in Israel to give all the reparations money to the families because they don't exist! It's sad to see how American minds can be so toughly brainwashed and then you come out with the "moronic" insults when your arguments lack any substance. Nice... not.
Well, nesnyc proves my point for me.
Hey, the lampshades and human soap were all myths, why should we believe the "official" count?
This isn't how logic works. Just because one or two (or hell even a hundred) claims about a certain event turned out to be rumors doesn't mean everything about it should be questioned. By the idiotic logic of you morons, World War II didn't happen because nobody made any lampshades.
You totally ignore the convergence of evidence so you can pretend the Jews were never victims and keep your morally bankrupt anti-Israel ravings.
It's sad to see how American minds can be so toughly brainwashed and then you come out with the "moronic" insults when your arguments lack any substance.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Unfortunately, I've refuted everything you've had to say and all's you can say is "omg brainwashed Americans, I know the secret truth!".
Is O.J. innocent or guilty?
Based on the evidence, OJ is guilty as sin. He just lucked out with a stupid jury (Oh man the glove didn't fit! We must acquit!).
His blood was at the crime scene, he bled in his Bronco, he bled in his house, and he fled when he was going to be arrested.
These people didn't understand that when the chance of the blood at the crime scene being from someone other than OJ was 1 in 6,000,000,000+, that you'd have to go to another planet to find someone with it.
Still being mean spirited Tempestuous. It has nothing to do with an "escape" clause, you judgmental ass. It has to do with what I have come to believe or not believe. Like I said in the other forum, I believe in a higher being (so not atheist), and I believe Jesus was somehow connected to that higher being. For now that is the extent of my beliefs. Where do you get off badmouthing atheists anyway. Seems to me the better people in this world might be those, such as the many atheists I do know, who are good and honest because it is what they believe is right, rather than the mockery of goodness put forth by most religious groups, who are good, only out of a fear of their Gods wrath.
OK, so the government screwed up with O.J
A jury isn't part of the government. And yes, the prosecutor could've explained things better to the laymen.
is it exactly 6 million? Is it 5,999,999. Is that an estimate. How did they arrive at it?
It's an estimate. They used demographics before and after the war, emigration/immigration numbers, and related numbers to come to the estimate. The Nazis destroyed a good amount of their records when they knew the war was lost.
No need to apologize. I lost interest in your rants a while ago. Anyone who thinks that the sentence "do it in a utilitarian, atheist way" makes even the slightest bit of sense is not an individual I can have any sort of reasoned discussion with.
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