Monday, September 18, 2006

Deniers Go Nuts as Bush Mentions Explosives in WTC

Here's the transcript which is causing excitement in the 9-11 Denier's ranks:

(Note: See update below)

For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.


Of course, Bush is referring to the planes themselves as "explosives" here. The part about "high enough" may be a little confusing at first, but I think his point is that if the buildings had been struck lower, it is possible that helicopter rescuers may have been able to pluck people off the roof and the sides of the building.

Of course, that is not preventing massive celebrations in the 9-11 Denial Movement:

Democratic Underground:

There you have it. Bush admits to now knowing explosives were placed in the WTC towers. He can’t escape the truth anymore (9-11 Truth Movement is spreading like wildfire) and looks for the nearest Patsy, thereby placing the blame of explosives squarely on Khalid and Al Queda (but we really know who Al CIA-duh is don’t we?)


9-11 Blogger:

Bush HESITATES twice and gives away more than he is saying... he uses REVERSE LOGIC.. if the explosives are planted HIGH in the building.. there are LESS floors above where people can get trapped. i.e. If the OPERATIVES wanted to MINIMIZE the bloodbath they would WANT TO plant explosives HIGH in the building.


You know, I wouldn't find that convincing except for the all-caps, which prove to me that this is serious stuff indeed. ;)

Update: Kudos to folks in the JREF forums who pointed out that this does not necessarily refer to 9-11, and may refer to other planned attacks. Note this preceding paragraph to the one I quoted:

The bill would also provide clear rules for our personnel involved in detaining and questioning captured terrorists. The information that the Central Intelligence Agency has obtained by questioning men like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has provided valuable information and has helped disrupt terrorist plots, including strikes within the United States.


So this may refer to post-911 attacks that were thwarted.

28 Comments:

At 18 September, 2006 12:05, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

I guess we have no need for the LC movement anymore, then!

Cat's outta the bag! See ya, kiddies!

 
At 18 September, 2006 12:20, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Jesus the Tin Foil Hatters must be masturbating in the streets.

 
At 18 September, 2006 12:25, Blogger Malcolm said...

makes sense, but I think their conclusion is wrong.

Using their form of "logic"....

1. The President accidently uses the word "explosives"

2. The president's name is "Bush"

3. "Bush" also sounds like the name of a beer.

4. Billy Carter once had his own brand of Beer.

5. Billy Carter's brother is former-president Jimmy Carter.

Therefore:

President Jimmy Carter plated explosives in WTC, in order to help the american beer industry.

Perfect logic, right??

(remember, if you say no, I will have to say something along the lines of "I can't do the research for you", or simply call you a nazi who's in on it)

 
At 18 September, 2006 12:31, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

You are OBVIOUSLY shill or a covert agent.

 
At 18 September, 2006 12:37, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Thats it,

I'm convinced... it WAS an inside job.

 
At 18 September, 2006 13:00, Blogger default.xbe said...

bush mentions explosives, silverstein mentions pulling, rumsfeld mentioned a missile

youd think the deniers would have enough evidence to start filing charges, lol

 
At 18 September, 2006 13:14, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

sign me up...and i wanna black shirt or else no deal...lol

TAM

 
At 18 September, 2006 13:23, Blogger Alex said...

Shoot. You figure the Illuminati Free Mason Zionist New World Order (tm) could afford better proofreaders for their speeches....

 
At 18 September, 2006 13:30, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

YOU GUYS CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

 
At 18 September, 2006 14:03, Blogger 911coverup said...

Deniers Go Nuts as Bush Mentions Explosives in WTC

And the OCT'ers go nuts about it!!

 
At 18 September, 2006 14:09, Blogger default.xbe said...

And the OCT'ers go nuts about it!!

every action has an equal and opposite reaction, you increase your output of bunk and we increase our debunking

 
At 18 September, 2006 15:05, Blogger Cassiopeia said...

Damn. And to think - Bush is the last person you'd expect to make a verbal slip during a public address.

 
At 18 September, 2006 15:10, Blogger shawn said...

This is like when Rumsfield called the plane that hit the Pentagon a missle - those genius inside jobbers not realizing that any object projected at a target is a "missle".

"Me fail English? That's unpossible." - Truth movement.

 
At 18 September, 2006 15:35, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Good Point Shawn!

The Tin Foil Hatters are looking for ANYTHING that they can turn around and manipulate into a meaning supporting their propaganda.

 
At 18 September, 2006 15:56, Blogger LifeTrek said...

This is a non issue, he was talking about atttacks that were thwarted.

The terrorists were being instructed to place explosives high enough in future attacks to cut off people from the hook and ladder and other rescue trucks that can be reached from the street.

Plant explosives high enough to cut off the exits so that they cannot be reached from the street and you will cause greater death tolls as people will be unable to escape.

This has nothing to do with 9/11 at all.
DKK

 
At 18 September, 2006 16:15, Blogger Cassiopeia said...

Case closed then. But unfortunately in the echo chamber of the internet this has already become one of the 'facts' of the denial movement. File alongside all the others that will be repeated ad nauseum in an attempt to make them 'true'.

 
At 18 September, 2006 16:55, Blogger CHF said...

Oh Dear - they'll have to set up another sign at Ground Zero now.

 
At 18 September, 2006 17:11, Blogger CHF said...

Yeah that's right Dummies - the twoof is spreading like wildfire.

As we saw during the massive twoofer rally on 9/11/06.

And again this past Saturday.

There were, what? 10-12 of them?

Gimme a fuckin break.

 
At 18 September, 2006 20:24, Blogger M8 said...

So let me get this right - Bush uses explosives to refer to planes, or as some of you have rationalized, he was referring to events that were thwarted and/or different events all together and Rumsfeld refers to planes as missles...Very interesting... You folks should think long and hard about your rationalizations.

Again, I ask why do we need citizens to speak in defense of elected officials - in particular against other citizens - and regarding matters of huge significance? The govt. has ample resources to defend itself. Citizens do not have a consitutional duty to defend the govt. against criticism - from other citizens. Through what logic do you assume you have a trusting, honest govt...The founding fathers stressed there was no such thing...

What if all of the so called tin foil hat guys are wrong? So what - they are easily disproven by the govt. - by answering fundamental questions to the people - which is their duty. The war on terror and/or any other rationale for not having the time for the people is not legit. Bottom line, the implications of people doubting the govt. can result in a new round of public servants, new laws, etc...If the govt. can find time in this time of crises to focus on Baseball and steroids - they can field a couple of questions from the 9-11 movement.

To the opposite. What if? Just what if the govt. is lying? What is the risk? Instead of fullfilling our Constitutional duty to question our govt. and defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights - we spent our time chasing after the guys from Loose Change or Steve Jones, we spent our time trying to clean up and decifer utterances from the President - why do I need Joe Citizen to explain to me what the President meant?

If by chance the govt. is lying to the people - something history has proven they are quite good at - we are screwed. Our entire social fabric (judicially, legislatively and executively) has been fundamentally altered. We are at faith funding billions of dollars (which is essentially a transfer of wealth) for the war effort - which goes into the hands of a few select orgs. We are sacrificing the sons and daughters of faithful Americans - while distrusting each other - because we are told that your neighbor or guy of the bus could be the next terrorist.

What a gamble - for those of you who think it's so cool to discredit or dismiss the "tin foil" hat crowd or conspiracy theorists....For such a tremendously huge sacrifice (the notion of war for the next 50-100 years) - it would seem that all Americans would demand clear and precise evidence justifying what we intend and are currently embarking upon.

This stuff is real, it's a part of our history - how it is lost on such smart people such as yourselves is disturbing...The lengths to which you defend elected officials makes me wonder if many of you are better suited to live under a King or Queen. I think it would be an easy transition.

For the sake of all of us - I hope your efforts have been well spent - but judging from a rich history of corruption and deceipt - we are in a hell of a lot of trouble.

 
At 18 September, 2006 20:25, Blogger Richard said...

If only they could get a hold of that voice morphing technology and holograms, at least they could make their movement look bigger! ;)

 
At 18 September, 2006 20:49, Blogger default.xbe said...

The govt. has ample resources to defend itself.

so then by the same logic why does it matter if we defend the govt or not? after all you have the "truth" on your side so it shouldnt matter how many people stand in your way, correct?

 
At 18 September, 2006 21:51, Blogger CHF said...

m8,

I ask why do we need citizens to speak in defense of elected officials

I encountered this logic at Ground Zero on Saturday.

Did it ever occur to you that we don't do it for the government? I for one detest Bush.

Could it be that we just don't like wingnuts trying to soil a tragedy like 9/11 with their horseshit?

You can ask all the questions you like. The problem seems to be that you NEVER LISTEN TO ANSWERS.

After all these months you guys are still babbling on about hijackers being alive, "free fall speeds" and "pull it."

When I ask some GZ loony why he has no structural engineers on his side he just stares at me for 30 seconds and says "go away."

What kind of movement is this?

It long ago became obvious to me that you idiots aren't interested in truth at all.

 
At 19 September, 2006 10:52, Blogger Malcolm said...

M8....

First of all, I disagree that it is our "constitutional duty" to question the government. Yes, it is our right, but nowhere in the constitution does it require us to do so.

Our problem (if I may speak for the others on this board), is NOT with questioning the government; not at all. Our problem is with certain segments of our society who take every opportunity (no matter who strained their reasoning) to promote theories that have little to no basis in reality.

For example:

Growing up, I listened to the theories that President Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, and let it happen to get us in the war.

I also listened to how Lincoln was murdered by the vice president; how Kennedy was killed by the CIA (or practically anyone other than Oswald)

I had to hear about how we never landed on the moon; how there’s a UFO somewhere in Nevada.

I had to hear about how the Procter and Gamble Corporation is the anti-christ because of some symbology in their logo.

I even have heard (google Black Pope to see it)….a crazy theory that the Jesuit order of monks is actually a secret organization trying to take over the world. According to this group, the cardinal of New York was actually the trigger man who killed JFK.

My point is… reality exist. Existence exists, truth exists. The facts behind 911 are so obvious, and so provable, that those who look for any scrap to prove their kooky theories are just wasting everyone’s time.

The reality is this: It is impossible to keep a secret that big. Prez Clinton had a sexual act performed on him in the oval office; there were only two people in the room, and it leaked almost as quickly as the President did.

In order for these theories to be true, there would have to be hundreds of people involved. You really can’t keep that kind of a secret.

Also.. I don’t believe that any Pol would have the nerve to try it. None of the politicians I have seen would be willing to risk that much simply for political gain. It defies reason.

Just to knock down a few theories:

1. If a missile hit the pentagon, where was the smoke trail that follows every missile?

2. If the trade center was brought down by explosives, why did it start to collapse several floors above, instead of at the point of explosion? Why is there no movement on the floors with the so-called explosives until the above floors collapse on them?

 
At 20 September, 2006 00:22, Blogger PopPop said...

Could it be that we just don't like wingnuts trying to soil a tragedy like 9/11 with their horseshit?

You can ask all the questions you like. The problem seems to be that you NEVER LISTEN TO ANSWERS.



I've posted numerous facts and links to Israel that should be investigated and questioned, and it's never met by anything more than a played out joke or whiny remark about anti-semitism. Numerous NIST and PM "facts" have also been proved wrong. At this point, NOBODY should be against an independent investigation. The officials have done a terrible job so far, and some of it opens them up for suspicion.


btw, he also said 'operatives' ;)

dun, dun, dun!

 
At 20 September, 2006 01:51, Blogger Alex said...

I've posted numerous facts and links to Israel

No you haven't. You've posted myths, conjecture, and lies.

that should be investigated and questioned, and it's never met by anything more than a played out joke or whiny remark about anti-semitism.

Ofcourse, what do you expect. Israel is the first scapegoat of anti-semites and lunatics. At this point they could probably pull off a massive operation and none of us would believe it initially just because you idiots keep blaming them for EVERYTHING. On the other hand, if you had actual evidence I'd certainly look at it with an open mind.

Numerous NIST and PM "facts" have also been proved wrong.

No, they haven't. You saying "I don't think that's possible" is not equivalent to proving something wrong.

The officials have done a terrible job so far, and some of it opens them up for suspicion.

They did a fantastic job. You're just either too lazy to look at their research, or too stupid to understand it.

 
At 20 September, 2006 15:05, Blogger shawn said...

whiny remark about anti-semitism.

It's odd how the way to silence critics of antisemites is to say that a "cry" of antisemitism is only used to silence valid criticism.

 
At 20 September, 2006 16:42, Blogger PopPop said...

No you haven't. You've posted myths, conjecture, and lies.

Bullshit.

Israeli Mossad agents were arrested laughing and filming the attacks and were found with box-cutters, large amounts of cash, hilighted maps, foreign passports, and bomb-sniffing dogs reacted like they had found explosives.

FACT

Those same Israelis worked for a fly-by-night moving company (front for the Mossad) and they ditched the company immediately after 9/11. The Israeli owner of that company fled to Israel, even though the FBI wanted to conduct further questioning on him.

FACT

Israel has been caught spying on the US on numerous occasions. Moles within our own government were also caught passing secrets to Israel.

FACT

Mohammed Atta had a body double in the Mossad.

FACT

Iraqi Oil pipelines are being re-routed to Israel.

FACT


Let's start off with those.


No, they haven't. You saying "I don't think that's possible" is not equivalent to proving something wrong.


PM claims to have never heard the term 'pull it' in reference to CD. Wrong. Every demolition company that has been interviewed is very familiar with the term and the very CD company at ground zero was filmed saying "we're getting ready to pull building 6."

NIST confused physical results and computer results at every point in their investigation. NIST manipulated computer results. NIST's metallurgical tests on the steel only showed temps of 250C/500F - not 1000. The temperatures were NOT severe enough to cause any weakening of the structural steel. Period. Fact. NIST fails to provide scientific data in their reports. PM fails to provide sources in their report. PM and NIST even contradict each other in some cases. The momentum analysis that actually WAS shown, proved that the collapse would have halted after 2 floors. None of the official reports have provided any reasonable explanation on WTC 7.


They did a fantastic job. You're just either too lazy to look at their research, or too stupid to understand it.

WHAT RESEARCH YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!? THEY DIDN'T DO ANY! They haven't showed any scientific data on the collapses! They fail to provide sources! You are clueless.

-this is the only scientific data on the collapse...

Momentum Transfer Analysis

-this is NIST's own testing on the steel...250C and the pictures show that the temperatures weren't even hot enough to burn off the cement paint on the columns! That's science right there...nothing supports your bullshit claims - so until you or the government provide me with some calculations this will continue to be viewed as a hoax....

NIST steel analysis


Now I showed you my scientific data....WHERE'S YOURS?

 
At 20 September, 2006 17:49, Blogger Alex said...

Israeli Mossad agents were arrested laughing and filming the attacks and were found with box-cutters, large amounts of cash, hilighted maps, foreign passports, and bomb-sniffing dogs reacted like they had found explosives.

Mostly rumor, but even if true, so what? What does it prove? Those individuals were held and questioned afterwards, so they've already been investigated. The feds obviously figured there was nothing to be gained by holding them any longer.

The Israeli owner of that company fled to Israel, even though the FBI wanted to conduct further questioning on him.

Imagine that, a spy ran away after getting made by the feds. Will wonders never cease. Those Israelis are so uncivilized. They're not nearly as nice as the Chinese and Russian spies, who just sit still and wait for someone to throw the cuffs on them.

Israel has been caught spying on the US on numerous occasions. Moles within our own government were also caught passing secrets to Israel.

How many times do I have to explain to you that pretty much every country spies on every other? The CIA and NSA are keeping an eye on it; their investigations should never and WILL never be made available to a bunch of anti-semitic idiots looking to link Israel to 9/11.

Mohammed Atta had a body double in the Mossad.

And?

Iraqi Oil pipelines are being re-routed to Israel.

WTF are you smoking? If this is a fact, I'm a Japanese jet pilot.

Let's start off with those.

Ok, well despite the FACT that half are wrong and the rest irrelevant, I'm willing to accept most of that. Now what exactly needs to be investigated? How should it be investigated? Who should it be investigated BY?

PM claims to have never heard the term 'pull it' in reference to CD. Wrong. Every demolition company that has been interviewed is very familiar with the term and the very CD company at ground zero was filmed saying "we're getting ready to pull building 6."

References please.

NIST confused physical results and computer results at every point in their investigation.

Evidence please.

NIST manipulated computer results.

Evidence please.

NIST's metallurgical tests on the steel only showed temps of 250C/500F - not 1000.

Irrelevant, you've misunderstood the purpose of that test.

The temperatures were NOT severe enough to cause any weakening of the structural steel. Period. Fact.

Wrong again. 1000 degrees is certainly strong enough to weaken steel by a significant factor. Even 500 would weaken it, although not nearly as much.

NIST fails to provide scientific data in their reports.

That's not the purpose of the reports you ass-clown.

WHAT RESEARCH YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!? THEY DIDN'T DO ANY! They haven't showed any scientific data on the collapses! They fail to provide sources! You are clueless.

Ah, yes, they didn't watch your movie on Youtube, so by your definition they didn't do any research. Meanwhile the thousands of hours spent examining evidence is irrelevant to you. Right.


-this is NIST's own testing on the steel...250C and the pictures show that the temperatures weren't even hot enough to burn off the cement paint on the columns! That's science right there...nothing supports your bullshit claims - so until you or the government provide me with some calculations this will continue to be viewed as a hoax....

Once again you misunderstand the purpose of that portion of the report. Not surprising. The sample you talk about was collected from the 98th floor, which was near the upper limit of the impact. The fires were hotter at lower levels (96-97).

Now I showed you my scientific data....WHERE'S YOURS?

Your data wasn't exactly scientific (it's a goddamn powerpoint presentation), and it wasn't relevant to what we were discussing. On the other hand, this is:

Initial model for fires in the WTC towers or try the
HTML version.

There's plenty more where that came from, I just don't have the references on hand. If you'd made an effort to go look over the actual report instead of just linking to a powerpoint presentation you found on some CT website, you might actually have learned something. As it is, you're just joining the CT circle-jerk.

 

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