Steven Jones Says There Were Hijackers
Geez, I wish these guys would make up their minds. I was listening to the previously mentioned interview with Steven Jones, in which he repeatedly blames the 9/11 attacks on the "international banking cartels", and I was rather surprised to hear him state this:
Who benefits then? And the motive does seem to be this international banker cartel and with agents in our government who knew about the hijackers coming and just allowed it to happen. And evidently there was some helping of this along the way. But it was certainly not President Bush, in fact he was threatened on 9/11.Hmm, maybe Fetzer should make him watch his "Top 10 Reasons why there were no hijackers"?
Incidently a couple of callers and two other professors discuss anti-Semitism and holocaust denial and their relation to 9/11 conspiracy theories after Jones leaves the show 25 minutes in. That part is actually rather interesting.
posted by James B. @ 10:33 PM
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25 Comments:
Oh - so NOW there are hijackers?
This is a moment to savor. The kooks are moving our way!
"Your government has done a very good job at dumbing you down"
O please, explain....
Like hey man, I mean, there were no hijackers, and the ones that are still alive before they were dead, ahhh, man now I have to chang Loose Change again!
Box cutters.
ha ha ha ha ha
Jones just single-handedly doubled that already widening schism in the truth movement.
Think I'm gonna suggest to Cheney that he get a nice bonus this Christmas.
Lol it's cute that you've devoted all your free time debunking one little movie. Why not attempt to debunk "911 press for truth". I'd love to see you try, go ahead and make up some more lies lol.
You post on a thread which has nothing to do with Loose Change, complaining that we only address Loose Change. Ironic timing to say the least.
We don't have time to address everyone's little pet movie, so we concentrate on Loose Change and the key figures in the movement.
If you find anywhere we have lied, please let us know. We have had a standing offer for some time for critics to point out lies we have made. Thus far nobody has taken us up on it.
Ofcourse it's not natural. What exactly are you confused about? Is there supposed to be something suspicious about a cut beam?
lying_dylan : I need your expert advice re the CUT BEAM.
See my comment a few comments up.
Gee. I take the time to answer a question, and the Twoofer ignores me, preferig to continue "asking" the same "question". What a surprise.
What "signs of a crane" are you looking for? Ripples in the space time continuum?
That pic was debunked a long time ago.
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
What exactly constitutes "signs of a crane"? Do you expect to see crane poop lying around on the ground?
I don't particularly care what it looks like to you. Your opinion is quite irrelevant; I depend on facts rather than unqualified guesses. Only an utter idiot would buy your "signs of a crane" theory. And only a truly paranoid psychopath could look at that picture and automatically think "AHA! DEMOLITION!".
However, just for your education I will take the time to point out that thermite cannot be directed in the manner which would have been required here. Thermite, once ignited, is guided by gravity alone. A pile of burning thermite on the hood of your car will burn straight down through the engine block; it will NOT burn sideways and into the passenger compartment. Your explanation for the picture is by far the most ridiculous of the possibilities.
Of course, you DID say "demolition charges" so I take it you might be one of the slightly smarter idiots? The ones who don't believe in the thermite nonsense? In that case, I'll point out that a C4 (or any other type) demolition charge would not leave such a clean cut, nor would it leave molten metal along the edge of the cut.
Holy Crap,
I never thought I'd say it, but compared to these new truthers around here, BG was one of the SMARTER truthers.
Wow, thats a scary thought.
ok, alex; what in your opinion produced this clean-cut?
My guess? This used from this.
But it is just a guess. That's the point. YOU are guessing and stating it as if it were fact, when in reality your guess isn't even physically possible. My guess is definitely more accurate, although I do not know exactly what equipment they employed. There's no way to tell just by looking at a goddamn photo.
wouldn't workers remove the rubble around it to get to it easily, if they were going to cut it?
I think you fail to realize just how much rubble was present at ground zero.
Joan first:
ummm...I am Canadian, and last I checked, political speech as you call it, is protected up here to...perhaps you could clarify what you meant.
TAM
911 mysteries:
First off: Since you are the one "theorizing" on something most disagree with, it is up to you to prove your case, so...
Show me the scientific proof that the only thing that could have cut the steel that way was a Demolition charge (this will be good I am sure).
Secondly: You obviously haven't talked to the rescue workers who had to have steel cut as they were trying to rescue, and later remove, the bodies. to you think they used huge cranes to remove all the debris before they went digging. The crane could drop a piece, crushing the victim underneath. For all you know that could have been cut by a torch during the rescue effort. Your assumption that only a Demolition charge could have done that is propsterous. You have no idea if that piece was placed there later, after it had been cut. The fact is that anything you say about how it got that way is speculation AT BEST.
If not, show me the money...EVIDENCE baby.
TAM
unfortunately, we have got to speculate, because relevant information is not being released.
Really, what relevant information? You want the government to comment on every single item in every single photo taken during the entire time the WTC was being cleaned up? Are you insane?
why don't you lobby for the release of photos, it will make your life as a debunker much easier.
Because I have all the evidence I need. Christ man, how much evidence do you normally get from an air-accident? Maybe two photos in the newspaper, and a couple columns. A mention on the nightly news. That's pretty much it. Whereas the event on 9/11 are, by comparison, the most publicly studied incident in history. There's more evidence available to the general public about 9/11 than about any previous attack, or any major air disaster.
I don't know what cut that beam. All I know is, I see firemen and not ironworkers.
You can't be serious.
Let's apply that logic to another scenario:
Last night I saw, on the news, video footage of cops at the scene of a murder. I did not see any criminals. Therefore, no crime really took place. In fact, I think the cops committed the murder.
I'm not a construction worker. I'm not an expert.
That much is clear. You've been wrong about pretty much everything so far.
I think as debunkers you need to prove your case too.
Already been done. The fact that you refuse to accept it is your own damn problem. Just like evolution is an accepted concept, no matter how many creationists try to argue otherwise.
Otherwise, it's not "debunked" Its more speculation. So the issue remains open, don't try to say its been debunked, cause it hasn't.
Well your "demolition" claim certainly has been debunked since no explosive charge leaves that sort of effect. Therefore your entire argument HAS been debunked, you're just too stupid to realize it.
not to mention, if an ironworker did cut this, why a diagonal cut?
Look at the picture I linked and you'll see that the worker in that photo is also making a diagonal cut. I guess he's part of the conspiracy too, huh?
911:
Let me spell it out. This is a photo, a moment in time, which we have no idea when, except that it was before all the debris was removed from GZ.
Now, if prior to this photo, lets say the day before, lets say there was someone trapped under that pile, and they couldnt get to him because of the steel column. So someone comes in and cuts the beam, and they take the top half away so they can have better access to the victim underneath. Do you think the person cutting the beam is giving a shit about the angle he is cutting on...yes, but only in so far as he is cutting it at whatever angle he can get his equipment to do so...his main concern is the safety of the victim and those helping to resuce him.
Now a day later, 2 firemen walk by this area and someone snaps THIS photo.
I think this description is MUCH MORE PLAUSIBLE that "it was explosives".
TAM
*now enter Shawn and his whiny remarks about anti-semitism*
I didn't know spot-on observation is now reffered to as "whiny remarks".
The only whiners here are you douchebags who come to a conclusion then twist facts around to get them to confirm your bias.
No matter how hard you guys try and muddle the truth
Irony alert.
if you want to paste entire articles in a blog comments section...START YOUR OWN F&*KING BLOG ASSHOLE!!!!
Wow. Now that's what I call spam. Gotta be a new record for a ScrollTroll.
Unknown publisher
3/7/2004
Wow, "unkown publisher". I always go there for my news reports! If you can't trust "unknown publisher" who can you trust?
The letters said things like "Death to Israel" and "Allah is great"...a real Muslim would have said 'Allah Akbar' or 'God is Great.' They were also dated 9-11-01. In the Middle East, they don't date things that way - they date them starting with the day = 11-9-01.
Well first, no they may not have.
And in America we date things 9-11-01. The person who committed the attacks was in America.
Keep spewing the "Israel did it" nonsense.
The article is from Dr. Amir Ali's website.
A guy called Amir Ali blaming 9/11 on Jews? Well you don't see THAT every day....
The letters said things like "Death to Israel" and "Allah is great"...a real Muslim would have said 'Allah Akbar' or 'God is Great.' They were also dated 9-11-01. In the Middle East, they don't date things that way - they date them starting with the day = 11-9-01.
What I'm really annoyed by is how often you idiots accuse various government agencies of being able to pull off all sorts of ingenious scams....and then in the same breath accuse them of being a bunch of bumbling idiots who can't even get a handful of small details right. Has it occurred to you that Mossad agents are more than knowledgeable and intelligent enough to know how a "real Muslim" would word his letter, or which format he'd use for the date?
I don't know.
That's the first intelligent thing you've said. Now if only you'd realize that your ignorant guesswork isn't proof of anything....
But the rest of the Neocons in the WH are definitely not incompetent.
Their handling of postwar Iraq says otherwise.
It's not often I disagree with you Shawn, but the "post-war handling of Iraq" has pretty much gone as well as could have been expected. The only thing that the US admin seem to be truly incompetent at is PR/propaganda.
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