Michelle Malkin Reviews Debunking 9-11 Myths
Not surprisingly it gets high marks:
Popular Mechanics patiently bats down the paranoid delusions of Bush-bashers and terrorism-deniers who have seized on flimsy evidence and cherry-picked quotes and misquotes to bolster their cockamamie theories.
Dylan gets a little paddling here:
Multiple uploads of "Loose Change," a leading 9/11 crackpot documentary, have been posted on YouTube.com and downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. The director, Dylan Avery, appeared on a radio show recently to scoff at American Airlines Flight 77 pilot Chuck Burlingame. Avery mocked hijackers' using box cutters and plastic knives to subdue passengers. He then accused the father of 11-year-old victim Bernard Brown Jr., a passenger on Flight 77 on his first plane ride for a school field trip, of having advance knowledge of the attacks because he "took an unusual day off work" from his job at the Pentagon to play golf. In a painful twist of fate, Brown's son's plane was crashed into the Pentagon.
More coverage of the 9-11 Deniers at her blog. This part made my day:
The single best clearinghouse on the 'net for fighting the tinfoil hat brigade is the Screw Loose Change blog, dedicated to exposing the lies and distortions in Avery's 9/11-denying crockumentary, "Loose Change."
:) That's going up on the endorsements section!
posted by Pat @ 10:52 AM
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28 Comments:
All debunkers just got more of a reality check. Here are more suggestions that the US is simply chasing shadows in the "War on Terror." How long until the Bin Laden myth turns into a WMD type lie? :D
Bin Laden trail goes ‘stone cold’
long until the Bin Laden myth
False premise is a logical fallacy, you know.
Bin Laden = CIA Afghan drug runner
Soo.. The notion that he's a "terrorist" is a logical fallacy so that means the official line about him is a myth.
false premise is a logical fallacy, you know....
Only in the mainstream media eyes. Bin Laden = drugs is a solidly established fact.
That he's a "terrorist" and connected to 911 is a myth.
Bin Laden = drugs is a solidly established fact.
The CIA part was the false premise, Professor.
That he's a "terrorist" and connected to 911 is a myth.
Just once make a comment that doesn't contain a falsehood.
Like hey man, I mean,
Box cutters hahahahaha
Box Cutters!
Loose Change the next to final one more time edition.
Collect them all!
So let me get this straight....the CIA is funding Bin Laden through drug money....and at the same time, Republican senators are telling journalists that Osama is being funded by drug money. Yaha, there's a great way to run Our Plans To Take Over The World (tm). Ok guys, who came up with that part of the conspiracy? Pat, was it you? You really dropped the ball on this one buddy...
Usually, when a person or group gets entangled in their own cyclical passion to destroy new information with rebuttal and, more importantly, insulting labels like, "deniers, conspiracy theorists", it reveals the ignorance and that person's very own denial of the new information as something threatening, scary and potent enough to take their life as they know it. Such dramatics then drive a person to spend countless amounts of energy trying to discredit the information, not really for a wide audience of others, but to convince themselves, "that makes sense--but NO! NO! I simply won't accept any new information, I'LL CHANGE!! AHHHHH". And so, you have many holding tightly to the pole as the tsunami of new information, new ideas, new perspectives will continually be presented. Some will be smart enough to understand, validate and step inside of the new information before forming a snap judgement (clear sign of a frightened, ignorant level of mental development). Others will reject the curiosity of those who wish to ask questions and attempt to find answers for themselves. Isn't this similar to what we would expect from a detective investigating a homocide? Or should he/she just accept what someone else tells him happened. Hmm. Anyway, as I watched Loose Change and many other doc's from many different angles, the one question kept bugging me: How could the Towers Fall? If that's all it would take, should any of us feel safe in ANY other high-rise? I think the thermal level information on jet fuel vs. melting points (disintigration) is, in and of itself, a major pandora's box of potential answers, none of which would jive real well with what was presented to the mass public for the last five years.
Does information really scare people that badly? That's pretty terrifying itself. Maybe the terrorist is just that, people scared of new information, so they try to kill it all costs. It's just information. Information. Not a nuclear bomb dropping on your head. Do those who fear information realize how rediculous that is (from a distance)?
WAIT a second there nesync! If it was a myth why does the FBI have envidence linking him to 9/11?
....exactly!
Well you may be an idiot, but it's good to see you at least don't side with Nazynic on that particular conspiracy theory.
The best lies are the one closest to the truth.
What the hell does that have to do with what I said?
Usually, when a person or group gets entangled in their own cyclical passion to destroy new information with rebuttal and, more importantly, insulting labels like, "deniers, conspiracy theorists", it reveals the ignorance and that person's very own denial of the new information as something threatening, scary and potent enough to take their life as they know it.
Thanks Dr. Freud. Unfortunately your efforts to prop up your lies by calming everyone is afraid of them will be unsuccessful. Why? Because you can use the same sort of logic to prop up ANY argument. For instance one of you CT retards thinks NASA bombed Jupiter with anti-matter bombs. Now, no matter how silly his evidence is, or how many people think he's an utter and complete bafoon, he can always say that "you're all just afraid of the truth". Those words are the last resort of an incompetent who's lost the argument on all other fronts. It reminds me of the Black Knight with both arms and legs chopped off yelling "Come back here! I'll gnaw your ankles off!"
Anyway, as I watched Loose Change and many other doc's from many different angles, the one question kept bugging me: How could the Towers Fall?
Gravity, genius.
If that's all it would take, should any of us feel safe in ANY other high-rise?
Are you on crack? They had fucking airliners crash into them! If you think there's a good chance of a goddamn 767 hitting your apartment building then no you definitely shouldn't feel safe.
I think the thermal level information on jet fuel vs. melting points (disintigration) is, in and of itself, a major pandora's box of potential answers, none of which would jive real well with what was presented to the mass public for the last five years.
Well bully for you. Now prove it. We don't give a flying fuck what your personal opinion may be. PROVE IT.
Does information really scare people that badly?
I don't know, why are you so afraid of the information we keep putting out? Why are you so terrified that you have to come on here and tell us we're wrong? Did you pee yourself yet?
You want a juice box?
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My dad just throw up his hands and yelled "I don't want to hear it! You're a blah blah blah blah! "
Well, frankly...you are. Methinks your father neglected his parenting duties when you were younger. I feel sorry for the poor guy.
Hey, Wholesome, I'd be happy to promote what you're doing if I understood exactly what it is.
9/11 terriorsts were train at US government bases
Putting your address as a naval base =/= trained at US government base.
It's called putting a fake address.
And the informant thing is stupid. Whitey Bulger was an FBI informant.
You don't quote something and then not link it.
The original article appears in the Asia Times and is written by Pepe Escobar. The guy goes into all sorts of "ponts" which have been debunked already, so I'd tend to dismiss his "intelligence assesment" as well. In fact, all you have to do is look at the Best of Escobar page to see some of the other "conspiracies" he's "uncovered".
Although to be fair, he did write Get Osama! Now! Or else ... in august of 2001, so he's not completely out in left field. How long you figure before Nazinyc starts accusing him of being "in on it"?
Nice to see a few more CTers besides NESNYC, makes the blog more lively IMO.
Well let me start off with jaz30sh:
Usually, when a person or group gets entangled in their own cyclical passion to destroy new information with rebuttal and, more importantly, insulting labels like, "deniers, conspiracy theorists",
hmmmm...sounds almost like "sheeple" or "shills" or "disinformation agents" or "sleepers"...name calling or labeling takes place on both sides of the argument.
...it reveals the ignorance and that person's very own denial of the new information as something threatening, scary and potent enough to take their life as they know it.
I wouldn't say ignorance. Most people who post on this debunking site could likely whoop your ass with the amount of evidence they could produce. As for the denial of new info...yes they are scared that the CT cult will indoctrinate more innocents with misquotes, half-truths, and speculation based in tablod news stories from nazi-based source material...so yes we get a little uneasy with this material, but not because it reveals any "truth" to us.
Such dramatics then drive a person to spend countless amounts of energy trying to discredit the information, not really for a wide audience of others, but to convince themselves,
most here spend their time in the real world. With their spare time, they devote a portion to collecting, analyzing, and discussing ARTICLES, OPINIONS, and the like, and then they try to separate the LEGIMITATE from the CRAP. They then present the LEGITIMATE so that others, unlike you, who are "fence sitters" or are legitimately "asking questions" can get HONEST ANSWERS, from LEGITIMATE SOURCES, and OPINIONS from real EXPERTS, not audio analysis from a glorified preacher.
"that makes sense--but NO! NO! I simply won't accept any new information, I'LL CHANGE!! AHHHHH". And so, you have many holding tightly to the pole as the tsunami of new information, new ideas, new perspectives will continually be presented.
Nice use of the word Tsunami. It was the only good thing in there.
Noone here has anything against new perspectives or new information, but be prepared to back up both, or it will be laughed at as useless.
Some will be smart enough to understand, validate and step inside of the new information before forming a snap judgement (clear sign of a frightened, ignorant level of mental development).
Nice attempt to insult...nah, actually it was a weak attempt to insult. Most people here, which are a good reflection of the Debunking community, i would venture to guess probably have superior IQs and education to those in the CT "truth" movement, but that of course is jus speculatiion.
Others will reject the curiosity of those who wish to ask questions and attempt to find answers for themselves. Isn't this similar to what we would expect from a detective investigating a homocide?
this last section makes little sense to me, but, I will address it this way. Noone who "debunks" 9/11 CTs is against anyone asking questions or seeking answers...full stop.
the homicide thing...yah lost me.
Or should he/she just accept what someone else tells him happened. Hmm.
have you seen the research the people who frequent this blog, and the JREF Forums have done. It makes the Scholars look like slackers. They don't accept anything unless they find evidence to back it up.
Anyway, as I watched Loose Change and many other doc's from many different angles,
by "angles" you must be referring to the video camera they used, because all of these 9/11 "truth" videos take the same pov on all of the 9/11 issues...it was an inside job.
the one question kept bugging me: How could the Towers Fall? If that's all it would take, should any of us feel safe in ANY other high-rise? I think the thermal level information on jet fuel vs. melting points (disintigration) is, in and of itself, a major pandora's box of potential answers, none of which would jive real well with what was presented to the mass public for the last five years.
Although my balony detected is going off, and I think you are feigning naivity here, i will entertain it.
The combination of severe impact damage caused by a large commercial airliner penetrating the building, and severing many of the external and internal core columns of steel, as well as the 8-10 floorwide fires initiated by the jet fuel, and worsened and continued through the ignitable materials within causing a weakening of the structural steel, as well as the removal of "spray on" fireproofing, all added together to result in the buildings eventually collapsing.
Does information really scare people that badly? That's pretty terrifying itself. Maybe the terrorist is just that, people scared of new information, so they try to kill it all costs. It's just information. Information. Not a nuclear bomb dropping on your head. Do those who fear information realize how rediculous that is (from a distance)?
No, it is speculation, heresay, opinion, conjecture, along with the occasional "article" written by a fellow CTer, full of bias and faulty science. The real information is out there, and has been, the CTers are the ones that are afraid of it...afraid that their world really is as lame and boring as they thought it was.
TAM
jackhanyes:
jaz30sh, good post. Just talk to shawn or that dumb shit abby scott, your points really come alive.
once again an attempt to insult, typical both in its attempt, and the weakness of the attempt.
For example, just last night I was telling my dad about how some of the 9/11 terriorsts were train at US government bases and fbi informatants lived with them, and how atta was wired $100k through Pakistan with connections to the US.
all those "statements" are not backed up in anything more than opinion, speculation, anonymous sourcing, and opinion pieces.
Oh, I suppose the "Times of INDIA" who are the only source of the Pakistani connection are a reliable source. Hmmm...nah India have no quarrel with Pakistan do they...no...no reason to fabricate lies about pakistan...nooo.
My dad just throw up his hands and yelled "I don't want to hear it! You're a blah blah blah blah! "
I try not to make comment about people and their families, so I will leave this.
A good number of the OS'er around here act the same way screaming in their heads and toss insults to protect their way of life. Just look how they treat newsync. They never talk about his points, but istead search for new way to insults him. Little do that know that an internet insults hurts about a much as a feather being dropped on someone's head.
NESNYC has earned any insults he gets here through his anti-semetic, anti-american comments and insults which he hurls all the time, almost always without provocation.
TAM
andrew:
"If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time.
I have addressed the pakistani connection above.
In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.
name one source besides the "Times of India" that has stated this (oh, and in case you run to get that Wall Street Journal article, from which every other source quotes, the WSJ itself quoted verbatim from the "Times of India" for all that they had to say on the matter).
A juicy direct connection was also established between Mahmoud and Republican Congressman Porter Gross and Democratic Senator Bob Graham. They were all in Washington together discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast when the attacks of September 11, 2001, happened.
Ya, it happened...he was head of Pakistani Intelligence. Do you find the meeting unusual.
Mahmoud's involvement in September 11 might be dismissed as only Indian propaganda. But Indian intelligence swears by it
lol, well if they "swear" by it than it must be true.
and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story: Indian intelligence even supplied Saeed's cellular-phone numbers. Nobody has bothered to check what really happened. The 9-11 Commission should pose very specific questions about it to FBI director Robert Mueller when he testifies this month.
Show me the source, besides one from India, that confirms that the FBI has confirmed any of this story.
IF they KNEW, we KNEW. If this was the director of the Iraqi intelligence network, think we'd HEAR about it? Would people like SHAWN be able to IGNORE it ?
I have no comment on this, as it is simply your opinion.
TAM
Conspiracies happen all the time, thundertits, but there's a huge difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. And pointing out that an Indian newspaper probably isn't the most unbiased source of info about Pakistan isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a statement of fact. It's like saying that I'm not going to go get my information about the holocaust from the New Nazi Party website, and I'm not going to get my info about communism from PRAVDA.
Malkins way hawt and smarter than a legion of corrupt ex-professors "for truth".
But if you're into republi-babes, check out "Bethany" who guest-hosted Hot Air during Malkins recent vacation.
www.realverse.com
Here is what needs to be said to these kooks:
There is not ONE piece of evidence supporting your pathetic theories. There is not even a tiny piece of evidence - it is all the psychosis in your heads.
Brainless twits. They should be locked up in one large asylum.
"That he's a "terrorist" and connected to 911 is a myth."
One more theory of the kooks that bears no semblance to reality.
Those videos of bin Laden meeting with the hijackers and admitting that he was behind the attacks is, to say, the evidence that blows the kooks out of the water.
But, that won't bother them. Facts never stop kooks from thinking of increased nonsense.
the CIA is funding Bin Laden through drug money....and at the same time, Republican senators are telling journalists that Osama is being funded by drug money.
Of course, when asked to name these "Republican Senators," the kooks can't.
It is like naming the first Russian cosmonaut on the moon. Wait - you mean you can't name him? Could it be that - gasp! - there never was one?
Leave it to the kooks to come up with nonsense even they can't answer.
"Just look how they treat newsync. They never talk about his points, but istead search for new way to insults him."
Now that is one big fat lie right there.
"Just look how they treat newsync. They never talk about his points, but istead search for new way to insults him."
There's nothing to debunk. He ignores any and all evidence to his contrary. That's the mark of a barinwashed dupe.
He's a single-minded propagandist controlled by a YouTube film made by two film school rejects who mock the 9-11 families.
Poor widdle babies, those 9-11 conspiracy theorists. Are they gonna cry now that the establishment has shown them the door?
Hey - we're just asking questions of the nutters, and so far, they haven't provided any convincing or rational answers. Nessie deserves any and all scorn he gets.
If you peddle a massive steaming pile of BS like the LCers do about such a catastrophic terrorist mass-murder, then you're gonna hear it from the sane people of the world. That's called reality.
Deal with it.
"For example, just last night I was telling my dad about how some of the 9/11 terriorsts were train at US government bases and fbi informatants lived with them, and how atta was wired $100k through Pakistan with connections to the US. My dad just throw up his hands and yelled "I don't want to hear it! You're a blah blah blah blah!"
Even your father can't stomach how much of a monumental idiot you are. And I'm sure that frustrates him, as it should. Good luck in the real world - it bears no resemblence to the 9-11 truthiness discussion boards.
Just look how they treat newsync. They never talk about his points, but istead search for new way to insults him
I've dusorived everything he's had to say, he just ignores it and repeats his nonsense arguments.
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