Mixed Nuts
The LA Times covers the 9-11 Denial convergence on NYC. Looks like the nuttiness was quite concentrated:
There was radio host and activist Ralph Schoenman, who, during the course of a dizzying two-hour speech Friday, said that "not only was Mohamed Atta monitored by Mossad and the CIA, but he was being run by German intelligence," and that Hurricane Katrina "had been on the drawing board for years" as a way to "de-concentrate population" in inner cities.
But the ending of the story is bad. Very bad:
Behind them, holding the Sept. 11 pamphlets, were three friends in their 20s. They were sitting on a wall in the sun, resting after a film shoot.
"At first, I thought, 'Oh, my God, a kook,' " said Shelley Rogers, 26, a graduate student in education at New York University.
But her friend Antonio Cisneros, 20, was fascinated.
"I think they're too extreme for me," he said, "but there are a lot of questions that need to be asked." He said he was glad someone was doing it.
Asked if they believed the government would murder Americans for strategic reasons, all three, without pausing, said yes.
posted by Pat @ 3:02 AM
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that Hurricane Katrina "had been on the drawing board for years"
Over at the SLC myspace I was in an argument with some guy who seemed to believe every conspiracy ever made (so pretty much he was living in the world of the Invisibles comic book) and he said we could control the weather and such.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
Think of it: when you go to the supermarket and, say, there are 300 other people in the store, probably over 100 of them don't buy the official version of 9/11.
Yes, it's quite sad.
skepticism
If you're referring to those that believe in the inside job, then the word you're looking for is "pseudoskepticism".
Over at the SLC myspace I was in an argument with some guy who seemed to believe every conspiracy ever made (so pretty much he was living in the world of the Invisibles comic book) and he said we could control the weather and such.
Jason Bermas?
Jason Bermas?
hahahahahahahhahah nah.
If I ever got a chance to debate with him I'd just keep asking him what was the second country Hitler invaded.
Think of it: when you go to the supermarket and, say, there are 300 other people in the store, probably over 100 of them don't buy the official version of 9/11.
Those are the ones all reading the World Weekly News in the checkout aisle.
For my personal entertainment, which country did he think it was?
He couldn't even name it.
Anyone who thinks 36% is a fringe element is deluding himself, no? Thats a lot of people. I think the Zogby poll put it at 42% and, probably more important, the number must be growing pretty fast.
Why must it be growing pretty fast? Because that's what you want to believe? The only number growing fast is the one in your head. You meet conspiratoid freaks on the internet and over time you develop the "feeling" that the movement is widespread and growing. Well it's not. Considering the questions of the survey, 36% is insignificant. I could do a similar survey and get you a 90% or higher response. All you have to do is ask "How likely do you think that the 9/11 attacks happened due to government incompetence or government involvement". All of a sudden you could say that 90% of people believe that the government was involved in carrying out 9/11, but that result would be just as valid as the one you're quoting, which is to say not at all.
On the 10th anniversary, the government and the media will know that a majority of Americans do not have confidence in the official version, in fact.
By then you'll have lost the limelight, and your movement will be a running joke just like the Kennedy conspiratoids, and the Apollo deniers.
I'm watching C-SPAN and one of the callers brought up the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. That is a good example to lay to rest the canard that our government couldn't/wouldn't, etc.:
I'm not going to defend what they did, but there's a big difference between allowing 400 people who already have a disease to get worse, and butchering 3,000 people in cold blood. Also keep in mind that these were black men, at a time when people in the US were still...not exactly friendly towards blacks. No matter how you look at it, there's no resemblance between the Tuskegee experiment and the type of mass murder which occurred on 9/11.
The 9/11 Commission Report calls Khalid Sheikh Mohammed "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks", not some guy in a cave.
Please remember to distinguish between the actual "official story" and the "official story" which you read about on conspiracy websites. The latter is for fools only.
the problem with what you're saying is that its even more laughable that a guy in a cave in Afghanistan and 19 amateur hijackers pulled off the 9/11 attacks.
I wouldn't say it's even more laughable, but it certainly is laughable. Ofcourse, that's why nobody has ever seriously suggested that "a guy in a cave" and "19 amateur hijackers" carried out the attacks.
If you're going to call Osama "a guy in a cave", you may as well call Bill Gates "a guy in a garage shed".
And referring to the terrorists who captured and flew the 4 aircraft on 9/11 as "19 amateur hijackers" is rather like calling a squad of Green Berets "a bunch of muddy paintball players".
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