Poll Abuse
The 9/11 deniers are back distorting another poll. One example, from Alex Jones site:
This past weekend saw the release of a new opinion poll revealing that 84% of mericans do not believe what the government says about the attacks on 9/11. Whilst this indicates a monumental awakening, it also means that there must now be co-ordinated effort to secure a true independent inquiry, and the subsequent removal from office and punishment of those who have consistently lied about and exploited 9/11 - including the President.
Well now 84% of Americans support them! You would think they could get more than 1000 people for their 9/11 anniversary rallies then...
This is, of course, a gross distortion of what the poll actually says. Here is the actual question (emphasis added):
When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
The question is specifically about prior terrorist warnings, not about whether they believe the government about 9/11 in general. So basically what the CTs are saying, is that after 5 years of them telling us that there was no terrorist threat, and the attacks were carried out by the government, 84% of the American public believes that there was a threat of terrorism, and that the administration isn't being completely honest about what they knew about it.
That hardly seems to bolster their viewpoint.
posted by James B. @ 8:38 AM
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7 Comments:
As someone who believes AJ and the like to be full of shit, even I would have a hard time answering that I believe the administration was 100% honest or even mostly honest about it.
There was an error in threat assessment by both of the last presidents. This administration has attempted to downplay or deflect pretty much all the criticism on the 9 months they were in office before 9/11.
If you get a similiar poll that asks "Did the United States government actually have a direct role in 9/11 happening by either executing it or enabling it or knowing exactly specifically what would happen and turning a blind eye?", then there's no fucking way you get any higher than 15% of people saying yes.
Polls are stupid an inaccurate anyway.
To quote Mark Twain: "There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
It's so easy to manipulate the data, it's absurd that anyone actually tries to use it as evidence.
If 84% of Americans believe in Loose Change, shouldn't Loose Change have may more views and sold DVDs? Shouldn't all these sites be constantly slow from unbearable internet traffic loads? Wouldn't Alex Jones actually be showing up in the ratings in the markets he's broadcast in as at least a top 10 show in his timeslot?
25% retarded, at least.
If 84% of Americans believe in Loose Change, shouldn't Loose Change have may more views and sold DVDs?
Exactly. If this many people believed in the conspiracy, they wouldn't need to misrepresent polls. Their numbers would manifest themselves in a real-world way.
As I said on the JREF board, there are over 1.5 million people in Manhattan. If even 10% of them believed in the conspiracy, that's 150,000 in Manhattan alone. And how many people did we see at the WTC site on 9/11/06?
And to clarify, I don't doubt that the "stupid" levels go way higher than 25%.
Not all stupid people believe 9/11 was an inside job, but all people who believe 9/11 was an inside job are stupid.
Tym,
You are right sir.
Classifying all stupid people as truthers is a direct insult to stupid people everywhere.
They are outright lying at prisonplanet with this anyway.
The 84% they quote only results from adding up the 53% who think BUSH is hiding "something, with the 28% who think he is most lying, and adding in the 3% who are unsure.
How can you say the "unsure" dont believe BUSH...they are saying the are unsure...not that they believe or dont believe.
This is worse that manipulating the numbers, it is flagrant lying. The most they could claim is that 81% of the people polled felt BUSH was not being completely truthful about 9/11...which I would probably have voted for as well.
TAM
when I try to get you to engage real evidence, you simply ignore it
Problem is, you haven't posted anything like that. You post the exact same junk as Alex Jones walks about. So we asnwer and mock him since he obviously represents a large segment of you idiots.
Get some real evidence and we'll talk.
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