Tuesday, October 31, 2006

Ron Wieck (Corrected) Slaps Down Les Jamieson on DVD

If you'd like to watch one of the best performances by a 9-11 Debunker against a 9-11 Denier on DVD, Ron Wieck's controlled demolition of Les Jamieson is hard to top. We reviewed this back in July.

19 Comments:

At 31 October, 2006 09:42, Blogger pomeroo said...

Just a quibble about the spelling of my name: it's W-I-E-C-K.

You'd think the producer would GIVE a me DVD. No such luck.

 
At 31 October, 2006 11:10, Blogger CHF said...

I talked to Les at ground zero last month and asked him about his disasterous performance on Weick's show.

His response: "I was ambushed during that interview."

Apparently his idea of ambush is two guys talking.

I asked him why he was constantly saying "let's move on..." whenever an argument was destroyed.

"It was in the interest of time. We didn't have time to really get into anything."

He had a full HOUR and yet he refused to stay on any issue for long.

Odd that he ran out of time just as each talking point was shot down.

 
At 31 October, 2006 11:56, Blogger remdem said...

Although, I can kind of see his point. If it's you against two, you tend to feel ambushed and cornered, especially if both disagree with you. Hours can seem to fly by, and you get so nervous you sometimes forget your defense, especially if you know your defense is flimsy to begin with. I completely feel for the guy stammering and getting nervous.

However, this does not mean I agree with his arguments, which I still think are wrong. I give him credit for trying, though. In today's public school system, Les would be a straight A student with his efforts, I suppose.

 
At 31 October, 2006 11:58, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Geez so easy to debunk these nutbar cdouchebags......

sort of like shining light on a roach and they all run for cover.

 
At 31 October, 2006 13:18, Blogger pomeroo said...

He was "ambushed"? I told him before the show that I regarded this conspiracy stuff as bullshit. If refusing to swallow insupportable rubbish constitutes an ambush, I guess I'm guilty.

 
At 31 October, 2006 15:20, Blogger shawn said...

I've rewatched this about a half-dozen times, it's so great how he just keeps trying to move on and can't really make an argument besides "it's this way because I say so".

 
At 31 October, 2006 15:23, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Les was crushed, end of sotry. Ron was taking him on, "one on one", no ganging up.

As well, at the time of the interview, unlike now, Ron had only an essential knowledge of the 9/11 conspiracy arguments adn evidence, yet was able to tear one of the movements leaders to shreds.

Well done Ron, once again.

TAM

 
At 31 October, 2006 18:32, Blogger pomeroo said...

Thanks, TAM, but without any false modesty I ask what would have happened to poor Les if he had faced you or Mark Roberts. The most powerful impression I took away from the two shows was astonishment at how little the fantasists have. I continue to wonder how anyone, no matter how stupid or crazy, can profess to believe such obvious nonsense.

 
At 31 October, 2006 18:52, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I think some of the prowess of a debate comes from knowledge, but a large percentage of winning the viewer, is in how the debator handles the topic, the questions, and the opponent. Though particularly true in politics, it is also true in 9/11 debates.

TAM

 
At 31 October, 2006 20:02, Blogger Simmo said...

Pomeroo.

Interesting your comments at the end of the show about the cleaner William Rodriguez wanting to sell his story and not talking to the 9/11 comission. Any more info on this?

Interesting as the truthers always hold him up as a big hero and most of the "massive explosions in the basements" come from him.

 
At 31 October, 2006 20:49, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Wow Ron is a true professional!
He had Les stumbling on more then 1 occasion.

My favorite part was when Les starts talking about John Judge whose parents worked at the pentagon.

Well apparently young John used to go to lunch at that pentagon to eat with his parents!!

Well young john was sitting around eating that delicious government food and sat next to a MISSLE BATTERY!!!!

His father would have to tell him, "hey dont touch that, that is a missle battery"

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
At 31 October, 2006 21:03, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Jamieson has that same fucked up smug look on his face that Avery and Bermas have everytime you see them being handed their asses.

You just want to reach through your monitor and commit great bodily injury to these shitstains.

 
At 31 October, 2006 21:13, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Ok so now these fucktards are going to start to argue that the towers were brought down because of expense to remove the asbestos?

This guy is the king of the douchebags!

 
At 31 October, 2006 21:21, Blogger CHF said...

Well they think WTC7 was demolished in order to destroy documents, so why not destroy the WTC towers to remove asbestos?

 
At 31 October, 2006 22:39, Blogger James B. said...

Well young john was sitting around eating that delicious government food and sat next to a MISSLE BATTERY!!!!

His father would have to tell him, "hey dont touch that, that is a missle battery"


He leaves out that this was in the 1950s anyway. I addressed it briefly in my missiles at the Pentagon paper. Judge is now a big conspiracy theorist, who works for Cynthia McKinney if I remember right.

 
At 01 November, 2006 08:52, Blogger pomeroo said...

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At 01 November, 2006 08:52, Blogger pomeroo said...

When conspiracy liars peddle their snake oil about Ashcroft's "refusal" to fly on commercial airlines, I always get a kick out of their reaction to my question, why do you suppose Ashcroft was NOT a member of the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy? You get a slack-jawed blank look; you hear creaking sounds as the wheels in their shriveled brains grind slowly to form the word, "Duh." Then, the light bulb appears over their heads: Hey! Nobody who knows precisely what planes are going to be flown into buildings is afraid to fly on OTHER planes!!! Duh, indeed.

 
At 01 November, 2006 10:42, Blogger pomeroo said...

Simmo, Mike Newman of NIST graciously consented to answer my questions in a phone interview. He commented that it was odd that Rodriguez would show up at the hearings, but managed to elude the researchers who wanted to talk with him. He ignored written requests and changed addresses. He indicated a desire to sell his story. Sounds pretty heroic to me.

 
At 01 November, 2006 10:48, Blogger CHF said...

Ron,

such illogical twoofer thinking is always a hoot. They really don't think for more than 2 seconds before they formulate their theories.

"The guv staged 9/11 to justify war with Iraq!"

So why not blame the attack on Iraq?

Blank stare....

"Oh right, they would have blamed it on Iraq, wouldn't they? Some Iraqi hijackers would have saved them that embarrassment of not finding the WMD which they apparently forgot to plant."

 

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