Friday, July 28, 2006

Great Interview

This was pointed out in the comments earlier. Here's a terrific interview of a 9-11 Denier by Ronald Wieck, who absolutely demolishes him. Kudos to Wieck, who cites 911Myths several times and Mark Roberts (the master debunker). He clearly did his homework and indeed seemed quite a bit more familiar with the topic than Les Jamison, the other side of the debate. You can see that Jamison is somewhat conflicted--should he go full out nutter or not? He pretty much decides to swing for the fences, and so we get Tim Osman and the John Ashcroft not flying commercial planes routine--one place where Wieck did not rebut with the best argument, which is that even Michael Moore changed Fahrenheit 911 when he learned that Ashcroft had flown twice in the months before 9-11 on commercial planes on personal trips.

Also note the obnoxious smirk ever-present on Jamison's face. He repeats the ridiculous canard that the standard procedure called for the planes to be shot down if they refused to land after contact by the fighters. Wieck comes back with the point that everybody who criticizes Bush now for not having the planes shot down would have been the first to call for his impeachment if they had been shot down on 9-11. Perhaps a better point to make is that if this was all so automatic, why are there no cases in history where US fighters have shot down a hijacked airliner?

Still, a terrific job by Wieck, marred by some occcasional sound problems. Predictably, the 9-11 Denial crowd thinks they won this.

Update: Part II of the interview here. Wieck keeps up the tremendous work.

Update II. Perhaps I was too hasty in saying that the 9-11 Deniers thought they won this debate. Although some of the commenters here liked it, most were dismayed.

23 Comments:

At 28 July, 2006 17:42, Blogger Dog Town said...

Also, loved the part on" what did this admin gain from this"? Not to mention, "how many people are in on this" ? Les kinda thinks only a few,ok more than a few! "Not Many Though" !!!!!!!!

 
At 28 July, 2006 17:58, Blogger Abby Scott said...

Great show.

The best parts are when Les avoids discussing a topic by going to the next picture.

 
At 28 July, 2006 17:59, Blogger Abby Scott said...

I spoke to Les at ground zero about the idea that video tapes of the pentagon made by private agencies are not the government's to release. He told me he'd look into that.

He still hasn't.

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:06, Blogger default.xbe said...

i liek how he mentions seeing CD videos that look exactly like the plumes from the WTC

....so why didnt he bring those to show instead of a crappy clip from LC?

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:12, Blogger shawn said...

They best was when Wieck said he wanted to show the exact same clip to show that it couldn't have been a controlled demolition.

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:20, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Not to mention, that Les tries to deminish the "Ludacris" comment by saying the same company had the clean up contract....um yes, but the CD issue has sprung up only recently, I am sure the clean up was pretty much done, before CD was thrown out as a big possiblity.

I wonder if part 2 is arouund yet...cant wait

This gives me reassurance, that what I believe will happen, will happen,. and that is this...

Once these idiots make enough noise to wake the true academic beast, the academic beast will tear their little theories to shreads.

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:24, Blogger Dog Town said...

I also loved the part from Loser, where they zoom in on the" squibs", and black out everything else! So as not to show us the building, falling into itself. Cuz like man , people would see why there was those "squigs" I mean "squibs"! Was thinken about, you know,aahh Laveren and Sherliqua that show.... uhhh on Nick at Nite. Hey like dont diss Nick at Night,it's where I learned to write...I mean uuhh really!

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:31, Blogger shawn said...

Not to mention, that Les tries to deminish the "Ludacris" comment by saying the same company had the clean up contract....um yes, but the CD issue has sprung up only recently, I am sure the clean up was pretty much done, before CD was thrown out as a big possiblity.

Yeah he thinks it's odd that they called in the biggest company to clean up the largest terrorist attack in history.

And I love his little insinuation about the Murrah building.

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:40, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7645426216687229050&q=hardfire+9-11

part 2

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:52, Blogger shawn said...

Man, this guy uses so many logical fallacies my brain has begun seeping out of my ear.

 
At 28 July, 2006 18:55, Blogger shawn said...

They destroyed the WTC to get rid of asbestos! I love this guy.

 
At 28 July, 2006 19:01, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

watching the second part, I actually fee bad for Les, he so outmatched, outlogiked, outwitted...

Like I said, wake up the academic beast, and it will tear them to shreds.

 
At 28 July, 2006 19:07, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

He goes into (in the 2nd part) the still alive hijakcers, and just as quickly leaves it, knowing he will be crucified.

Then he bring sup the "Chubby" bin Ladin Pic...

1. Other angles of same tape, not thick,

2. Camera artifacting,

3. He suffered from kidney failure, so he may have been "puffy" from fluid retention prior to dialysis.

 
At 28 July, 2006 19:11, Blogger shawn said...

3. He suffered from kidney failure, so he may have been "puffy" from fluid retention prior to dialysis.

The dialysis meme is a myth. There's no evidence he's on it.

I just love this guy says it's a 16 foot hole. He thinks it was a missle. And whenever Wieck is gonna destroy him he goes "move on".

 
At 28 July, 2006 19:13, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

The best is the last part though, when Weick says a pilot in his neighbourhood told him that he (Weick) could have flown the plane into the pentagon.

 
At 28 July, 2006 22:34, Blogger BoggleHead said...

Two unexploded secondary devices were found inside the Murrah federal building.

 
At 29 July, 2006 02:27, Blogger apathoid said...

Two unexploded secondary devices were found inside the Murrah federal building.

Did they(read: FDNY) forget to "pull" the trigger for CD??

 
At 29 July, 2006 06:00, Blogger CHF said...

It was almost as if that CTer knew he was full of it.

I mean he was a complete bumbling idiot, stumbling over his words. Whever the rebuttal came he said "uummm...moving on" and then spouted yet another discredited talking point.

The hijackers are still alive? How stupid must one be to cling to that one???

 
At 29 July, 2006 06:01, Blogger CHF said...

Part 2 is the best!

He even endorses Judy Wood's billiard ball theory.

 
At 29 July, 2006 06:02, Blogger CHF said...

Pat, James:

where'd that piece on Fetzer go? The one where he interviews the nutter about weather control.

It was up yesterday afternoon.

 
At 29 July, 2006 07:11, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I notice it's common for CTs to defend their conspiracy theories with allusions to other conspiracy theories: JFK, OKC bombing, TWA 800, etc. It makes debate very irritating because they are always trying to sidetrack to different issues. Even the "fake Bin Laden" stuff is a side issue that really has nothing to do with CD and the WTC.

 
At 29 July, 2006 07:20, Blogger Pat said...

Chf, those were notes from an email I received that I had just put into a post to save for the weekend so I could access the information at home. In the rush of leaving the office yesterday afternoon, I posted it instead of saving it as a draft. I will be putting up a post regarding that info later.

 
At 29 July, 2006 09:56, Blogger Dog Town said...

The link to fetzer world is here!

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Fetzer06.html

Be careful they are all gut busten funny.

 

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