The Virgina Tech Shooting
As the country and the families of the victims come to grasp with this horrible event, you can of course expect the 9/11 truthers to put their insulting spin into it. From Alex Jones' prisonplanet.com, under the title of "Virginia School Shooting: Another Government Black-Op?":
Early details about the horrific school shooting at Virginia Tech strongly indicate that these events represent a Columbine-style black-op that will be exploited in the coming days to push for mass gun control and further turning our schools into prisons.
Of course one of the idiots over at 911 Blogger jumps into this issue with a particularly stupid approach:
With Rosie about to blow the lid tomorrow...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
How bloody convenient!
I don't even want to look and see what they are posting at the Loose Change Forum.
Update: This post on 911 Blogger has been missing for several hours now, so I can only presume it was removed out of embarassment. I should have done a screen capture. Oddly enough, someone else put up a rather strange post there asking their fellow truthers to "bury" stories on these shootings that they don't like on Digg.
Labels: Virgina Tech Shootings
posted by James B. @ 2:10 PM
47 comments
47 Comments:
So it's not only the 9/11 victims they take a shit on, but school shooting victims as well?
They really seem to enjoy digging their own grave.
Whenever you decide that these despicable cretins can't possibly sink any lower, they prove you wrong.
Info regarding the columbine shooting had been immediately classified under the request of our own government and will continue to be so for 20 more years. Family of the columbine victims are particularly outraged by this. Just like 9/11, seventy-five percent of the questions asked regarding columbine haven't been answered. The government's reason for the classification? So it wouldn't create more shooting incidents like the one today, so I wouldn't be surprised if columbine families start pressuring for information to be declassified because it's not working.
Study Columbine
I'm crazy enough to check out the forums. Fuck these fucking fucks:
Quest:
"That's my bet as well. You'll also find that thenschool had recieved "bomb threats". This is such BS. This story serves as a distraction from the war on Iraq, puts the focus on US citizens as "terrorsists" and paves the way for ever stricter gun laws.
Eventually, only the 9/11 perps will have guns."
"It will found out that this guy has no arab blood but was 'recruited' by Al-CIAda; this sets the stage for a total clampdown on gun ownership. In reality, this guy will somehow be either an vet, manchurian candidate type who was put up to do the deed.
Better start reading up on the untold story of the Columbine shootings if you want to to see if parallels can be drawn to the Virginia Tech massacre.
http://judicial-inc.biz/columbine_killers.htm"
"Did anyone notice the Freemason connection?"
mid life crises:
"My thought as well. Also Rosie O'donnell went into a major depression after Columbine. Maybe they want her to go into another one after this to shut her up.
I have become so cynical. i'm sorry. I just do think this is rigged."
mysterious stranger:
""What I don't understand in this case is the time delay. Gunman shoots people on one end of campus, hours pass, he is able to go way over to the other side of campus, then shoot more people there. Where were the police during that time?"
First tower is struck, employees begin to unass the AO most ricky tick until they are instructed to return to the buildings where they will be safe.
Sound familiar?"
Patriot Jim:
"AJ hinting this a US Black Op. Seems pretty obvious- the NWO elites want US under martial law- they need to get our guns- I am feeling really sick- the shit is going to start-"
And of course, LUCUS:
"I would ALSO like to know if any of the victims were involved with 9/11 truth..."
indicate that these events represent a Columbine-style black-op that will be exploited in the coming days to push for mass gun control and further turning our schools into prisons
well the "black op" part is grade-A bullshit but I'm afraid I would tend to agree with the latter part of the sentence :-/
What the hell was classified about the columbine shooting? I searched the net and the only thing I found were vague references to conspiracies on conspiracy websites. We know who did it, their motive, and who sold them weapons. What is left to be classified?
I really wish you truthers would develop an ounce of compassion and not try to fit everything into your wild conspirazoid claims.
"I would ALSO like to know if any of the victims were involved with 9/11 truth..."
I highly doubt any of the victims were truthers, but the gunman, I wouldn't be suprised.
Just some tidbits fro the Loosechange Forum.
"Didn't anyone notice the Freemason connection?"
"Also Rosie O'donnell went into a major depression after Columbine. Maybe they want her to go into another one after this to shut her up."
"You'll also find that then school had recieved "bomb threats". This is such BS. This story serves as a distraction from the war on Iraq, puts the focus on US citizens as "terrorsists" and paves the way for ever stricter gun laws."
"wow, the 2 hour standown time lapse is weird and no there calling it " The Lone Gunman"
Did it to depress Rosie? Lone Gunman? Stand Down?
nazi weapon law inspired US gun control act
"There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state (or Federal) against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state (gov't) to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order."
OK, I don't know how exactly to say this, but let me give it a shot: Assume that everything the 9/11 Truth movement has said was clearly bogus. Who do you think would populate the movement? A bunch of wackos. Nice people, well- meaning for the most part, but mostly your typical "tinfoil hat moonbat twoofers".
Now, let's throw some tangible evidence into the mix: Dozens of eyewitness accounts of bombs in the towers, direct testimony from Minenta indicting Cheney, extremely compelling evidence of a military stand down that morning in the form of wargames... do you think the wackos would still associate themselves with the movement? Of course they would... You'll get respectable members like Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, etc., but they aren't nessecarily going to replace the less- credible fools like Nico Haupt...
The bottom line is this: A conspiracy theory regarding 9/11 will draw plenty of undesirable characters, whether the theory is true or not. When you guys, the supposed 'debunkers' focus exclusively on these wackos, while ignoring the credible evidence, it makes it strikingly clear just how lacking the debunking attempts really are...
What the hell was classified about the columbine shooting? I searched the net and the only thing I found were vague references to conspiracies on conspiracy websites. We know who did it, their motive, and who sold them weapons. What is left to be classified?
"Classified" is the word CTs use to describe everything not available to them, personally. Investigators have held back some of the killers' writings and videotapes. Depending on who you believe, they're doing this a) to minimize the possibility of copycat killings, b) to cover up the fact that the local police should have seen this coming from a mile away or c) as a result of bureaucracy being more stubborn than sensible. Personally, I'll take a dollop from each possibility. But if you're a CTer, of course, the real reason is d) to hide the fact that the killers were working for NWO zionists as part of a false flag operation to achieve some nefarious larger purpose.
respectable members like Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, etc
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
All you toofers are simply dispicable bags of vomit that should have been culled at birth.
Too bad the victims were not toofers instead of innocent kids
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exactly the response I expected. Exactly the response I was hoping for to prove myself right... one that entirely fails to address the substance of my post.
Dozens of eyewitness accounts of bombs in the towers
Thank you for playing "Twisting a dead victims's word!" You win a bag of bullshit
direct testimony from Minenta indicting Cheney
Funny because Mineta says planes were scrambled from Otis and Langley. He said there was a shoot down order. That disproves your theory.
Your shit ain't new. The fact that you bring liar Kevin "Waterboy" Ryan and Steven "Jesus Walked in America" Jones tells me you are an idiot.
Continue defending those who piss on victims. Haha, Boxcutters.
one that entirely fails to address the substance of my post.
That was the substance of your post, Osama-lover. You made the entirely defensible point that it is possible to have loopy people join a conspiracy theory which is also believed by rational people with credibility.
However, your argument fails in the particulars of this particular conspiracy because there is not one single credible person on the planet who believes it. Your "examples" are themselves not credible. That there are people even more whacko then them does not make them sane.
Luke,
Please introduce me to the leading members of the 9/11 truther movement who we haven't exposed here as an inveterate liar and/or a complete kook, because I haven't found him or her yet.
If you somehow think we have given Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan a free pass here, you haven't been reading much.
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exactly the response I expected. Exactly the response I was hoping for to prove myself right... one that entirely fails to address the substance of my post.
Dude, are Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan really the best you have? That's fuckin' pitiful.
Civilized Worm said...
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exactly the response I expected. Exactly the response I was hoping for to prove myself right... one that entirely fails to address the substance of my post.
Dude, are Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan really the best you have? That's fuckin' pitiful.
I'll throw my vote in the ring as agreeing that these are two of the best.
Wow, I'm actually feeling sorry for you now.
Every day the truth movement, through their own words and actions, become more self defeating. Noone with any sense will take them seriously if they see this type of paranoia and poor taste on their sites.
Keep it up idiots, you will are your own worst enemy.
TAM:(
How is it that these people "know" so much about a news story where almost all of the details are still sketchy? It's indicative of the depth of their paranoid mindsets that they are jumping to concusions before the story has been adequately reported. Only liars and those for whom distrust of government is religious dogma can even pretend to know what's going on.
Dozens of eyewitness accounts of bombs in the towers
I wasn't aware the word "dozens" now means "zero".
BG, that is the point. Your two top figures in the movement are a physicist who misrepresents photographs to make his case, and had to start his own journal to publish his papers because nobody else would, who got fired for embarassing his university, and a water tester, who got fired for misrepresenting his company.
These are your elites, it don't get any better than that!
James,
Your criticism of Jones is nitpicking of the highest order.
Your criticism of Kevin Ryan is meaningless.
When you guys, the supposed 'debunkers' focus exclusively on these wackos, while ignoring the credible evidence, it makes it strikingly clear just how lacking the debunking attempts really are...
And how about when they claim to expose wackos but just happen to miss the wackiest one---while at the same time allowing him to spam their blog? And from the recent deletion of MY posts, all I can conclude is that Nico get's special treatment for SOME reason.
Hmmm...
It's up to you how hard or easy you're going to make this, Jimbo:
How did you and Pat find out that the fake "Pat" and the fake Nico come from the same location? Assuming this is true--I just have Pat's word on this.
Hey, at least I'm not riding you about that other thing...
Here is the best a brightest of the truthers.
Steven Jones who was forced to retire, Kevin Ryan fired from his job and Kevin Barrett.
Jones is a physicist, not a structural engineer, and is not qualified to analyze building collapses. Kevin Ryan was a tester of water, maybe he thinks they was thermite in NY's water supply. Barrett is even less qualified than those clowns: he's an expert on folklore and Islam.
There is a reason Jones and Ryan can't get their jobs back because the were fired for good reason and haven't a leg to stand on in court.
Best you can say is they are not as nuts as the average truther.
"And how about when they claim to expose wackos but just happen to miss the wackiest one---while at the same time allowing him to spam their blog? And from the recent deletion of MY posts"
Yeah.. Like your post offer any kind of insight for or against a conspiracy theory.
All I see is your own masturbatory ramblings on hate for debunkers.
Just when you think twoofers have hit rock bottom....they crash through to a new bottom you didn't think was there.
This massacre was staged to distract people from Rosie.
Some of you twoofer animals really are sick in the head.
As revolting as the twoofer reactions to this are, keep in mind that this is just another case of desperation.
The revolution is nowhere in sight and twoofers are at a loss to explain the lack of government opposition to their quest.
So this is what you get: every tragedy, every death, every incident has to be part of a vast plot to silence the twoof.
I echo Richard's take on this: I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the shooter is a twoofer. Seriously, as twoofers continue to lose their minds this sort of awful thing is a real possibility.
And since everyone's memory is like a sive--still mostly addressing Jimbo here--let me just show you the type of Nico post you WON"T delete:
TO BE CONTINUED...next post. ;-P
Please delete the spam.
Please delete the spam.
And don't forget to do so when Nico posts spam again.
Now be honest, chf, in the past, have you EVER asked them to delete Nico's spam? Hmmm?
No, cuz his aren't as long as your last one was.
34 posts and that one spam bomb of yours took up half the thread!
Only complete morons post spam anyway since NO ONE READS IT.
No, cuz his aren't as long as your last one was.
No they weren't. Not individually. MAYBE collectively--just.
I suppose I could paste the lot into a word file and do a word count to check--if I could be arsed to.
You care that much? Here's the link:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/12/fetzer-jones-love-spat-continues.html
Have fun.
Just a quick question, have there been any debunks to give up their standard of living, their career, and their personal life, in the pursuit of the truth?
Mark Roberts is still a tour guide right?
James is still a college student, correct?
There are several Truth Seekers who have risked their career, standard of living, and person lives for speaking out about 9/11 be it on the net or on national television.
One other question, who was fired as a result of the 9/11 failure?
Nevermind I already know. People were promoted as a result of the 9/11 failure. Go figure.
How is it that these people "know" so much about a news story where almost all of the details are still sketchy? It's indicative of the depth of their paranoid mindsets that they are jumping to concusions before the story has been adequately reported. Only liars and those for whom distrust of government is religious dogma can even pretend to know what's going on.
You'd hope these vultures could at least wait until the bodies are cold before they start exploiting other peoples' tragedy to fuel their paranoid fantasy.
Just a quick question, have there been any debunks to give up their standard of living, their career, and their personal life, in the pursuit of the truth?
What would be the point of that? We know what happened.
Just a quick question, have there been any debunks to give up their standard of living, their career, and their personal life, in the pursuit of the truth?
No, actually we're letting the engineers and crash investigators handle that, Swing.
It's you folks who should be quitting your jobs and twoofing full time.
"Just a quick question, have there been any debunks to give up their standard of living, their career, and their personal life, in the pursuit of the truth?"
When was the last time you saw a truthers with a job that would be painful to lose?
The same level of intellectual incompetence that makes one a truther would also relegate them to the service industry.
The idea of Swing - someone who needed someone else to Google "engineering firms" for him - accusing other people of being lazy in their activism is some world-beating irony right there.
911_truthiness:
Barrett is even less qualified than those clowns: he's an expert on folklore and Islam.
You give him too much credit.
Barrett has a PhD in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore, and his dissertation focussed on Moroccan legend.
He may be an expert on folklore, but he's no great expert on Islam.
Frankly, he doesn't even sound like an expert on folklore. But he's a genius at self-promotion, so that's OK, he meets the Twoofers' standards.
When was the last time you saw a truthers with a job that would be painful to lose?
The same level of intellectual incompetence that makes one a truther would also relegate them to the service industry.
And there's more money selling snake oil.
risking their careers and their reputations for utter lies makes their cases all the more sad, not admirable.
TAM:(
What reputations? What careers?
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