Well, Under That Standard the Entire Truth Movement is Frivolous
April Gallop's lawsuit got laughed out of court today. This of course would be no surprise to anybody who's been reading this blog; both James and I covered some of the problems with the lawsuit here and here. But the judge in the case went right to what the lawyers refer to as the res of the matter:
Or, as Google puts it aptly:
Labels: April Gallop, Fiascos
posted by Pat @ 1:02 AM
49 comments
49 Comments:
it's just inconceivable that a president or vice president would like about sending operatives to break into the campaign offices of political enemies, like Watergate.
it's just inconceivable that a president would lie about weapons of mass destruction to start a war for oil, like in iraq.
it’s just inconceivable that people in power commit crimes, right up until the truth comes out.
"it's just inconceivable that a president or vice president would like about sending operatives to break into the campaign offices of political enemies, like Watergate."
No it's not, it actually happened. And the plot unraveled.
That's called "reality", in case you miissed it.
"it's just inconceivable that a president would lie about weapons of mass destruction to start a war for oil, like in iraq."
He didn't.
Claiming the President lied is a lie.
Oh, and the war wasn't for oil.
"it’s just inconceivable that people in power commit crimes, right up until the truth comes out."
See the Watergate comment above.
Oh... I am so convinced, Chief. 9/11 was an inside job.
Chief - you keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means.
No more Truther speculation, now, I mean it!
Anybody want a peanut?
I love it when these idiots compare Watergate and Iran Contra to 9/11. As if the two are comparable in complexity and risk. Iran Contra had no effect on Reagan’s popularity and Watergate would have never hurt Nixon if he hadn't tried to hide the event, if he had just thrown some fall-guy under the bus.
These kind of plot are planed with the expectation they may be exposed or even with the expectation it will come out. So long as the benefits out weight the risk the plan is a good one. And there are plenty of simpler and safer ways to justify the Iraq war.
But for the truther fantasy to be true you would have incredible risk and very small benefits. It's not like you are going to spin doctor your involvement in mass murder of Americans. And every one of the hundreds of people involved in this complex operation would have to be willing to take this great risk. Imagine you are asked to go into the WTC and plant explosive for a controlled demolition, Would you do it? NO, any normal person would run to the authorities or the press just to insure their own safety from these obvious loonies planing the event.
Truthers being part of the idiot class, the great un-thinking minority, imagine the world works like in the movies. Dedicated Faceless Evil henchmen hide behind every corner and complex plots are executed flawlessly.
Truthers being part of the idiot class, the great un-thinking minority, imagine the world works like in the movies. Dedicated Faceless Evil henchmen hide behind every corner and complex plots are executed flawlessly.
They think they're living a Scoobie-Doo cartoon. If it wasn't for those meddling kids, the big bad NWO would get away with it!
Watergate - Richard Nixon and his inner circle establish a covert group (called 'the Plumbers') who are arrested breaking into the Democratic National Committee HQ on 17th June 1972.
What happened next? - The administration imploded under judicial and congressional investigations, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate, and Nixon resigned on 9th August 1974 to avoid impeachment.
Iran-Contra - in July 1985 Ronald Reagan's National Security Advisor (Robert McFarlane) establishes contact with the Iranians, promising to ship arms (including TOW missiles) in exchange for US hostages held by Hizbollah in Beirut. NSC staffer Lt Col Oliver North (USMC) uses the proceeds from the arms sales to fund the Nicaraguan Contras, violating the Boland amendment.
What happened next? - Iran-Contra is blown to the press on 25th November 1986. Reagan's complicity is suspected and the administration is embarrassed.
9/11 - On 11th September 2001 4 airliners are hijacked by terrorists. Three are crashed into metropolitan targets (WTCs 1 and 2 in New York, the Pentagon in Washington DC), one crash-lands in a field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3,000 people are killed. Al-Qaeda claims responsibility and repeatedly reaffirms it. 9/11 leads directly to the invasion of Taliban-ruled Afghanistan in October 2001 (a haven for and the closest ally to AQ), and indirectly to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
What happened next - A handful of fuckups, charlatans, and professional failures claim that 9/11 was an inside job. Despite over eight years of work they make no progress in convincing the US public of the validity of their theories. The 'truther' candidate in the 2008 elections gets a mere 0.12% of the votes cast. The administration of President Barack Obama - while strongly critical of OIF - remains committed to OEF and the global struggle against AQ.
So, just to make it clear for the truthers, in comparison with two proven cases of illegality in government - in which no Americans were killed - you are asking us to believe that a super-group of conspirators conducted a ghastly terrorist attack on US soil, killed thousands of their own citizens, and have been able to perpetuate the perfect cover-up for nearly a decade now.
Yeah, that makes sense if you take enough crank.
"They think they're living a Scoobie-Doo cartoon."
I don't thnk that they are that sophisticated.
I don't thnk that they are that sophisticated.
You're probably right. I give them too much credit.
I wonder how many of these loons would put their money where their mouth are?
It seems I remember betting a friend long ago the JFK so call plot would never amount to anything because there was no plot, Oswald did it and history has proven that so. Same with 9/11, 40 years form now it will be the same small group of rationally challenged kooks who believe the conspiracy theorist scam.
How much do you want to bet?
"...Truther Success"?!?!?!?!?!?!?
That's an oxymoron.
%^)
first can any of you dipshits define the word conspiracy?
second there are plenty of documented cases of conspiracies.
there was president lincoln, his assassination was part of a conspiracy to kill lincoln, vp andrew johnson, and sec state seward.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Lincoln#Conspirators.27_trial
and the first coup attempt by wall street; When the committee's final report was released, the Times said the committee "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a Fascist march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "... also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized Fascist march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major. Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedly_butler#Claims_of_the_Business_Plot
The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations was established in 1976 and it was determined that:
On the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy.
AND
The Committee further concluded that it was probable that:
four shots were fired
the third shot came from a second assassin located on the grassy knoll, but missed. They concluded that it missed due to the lack of physical evidence of an actual bullet, of course this investigation took place almost sixteen years after the crime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations
the trouble is nothing actually gets debunked around here just insults of fucktard or jizznugget
chief jane's bitches, you all said:
"the trouble is nothing actually gets debunked around here just insults of fucktard or jizznugget"
when you should have said:
"the trouble is us fucktards have nothing actually worth debunking - we just enjoy insults of fucktard or jizznugget"
He's Chief James, bitch! Wow! I wasn't paying attention to the troof movement until they started ripping off Chapelle's show and calling us dipshits! 9/11 MUST be an inside job, now!
He's right! I can't define the word conspiracy, therefore, 9/11 MUST be an inside job!
Lincoln was a conspiracy, therefore 9/11 MUST be an inside job!
Such strong and irrefutbale points!
Fucktard and jizznugget? Oh my, now you've really rebunked 9/11 and proven it without a shadow of a doubt. If only he had used those words against the judge, we'd all be living in a world where Bush is being tried right this second!
The Committee further concluded that it was probable that: four shots were fired
the third shot came from a second assassin located on the grassy knoll,
And of course they were wrong. And history has proven them wrong time and time again. This stuff is just popular urban legend that get sold to the great unthinking masses.
'first can any of you dipshits define the word conspiracy?'
It's a secret agreement reached between a group of to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end.
'second there are plenty of documented cases of conspiracies.'
Er, yes, mong. That they're are. And there are documented cases of abuses of power and amoral acts committed by those in government. The funny thing is that in democracies - i.e. where you have a free press, a political process with free elections and a legalised opposition, an independent judiciary, and government bureaucracies that tend to be dysfunctional - details of official wrong-doing are either leaked or exposed, and then enter the public domain. See Suez (Sevres protocols), Watergate, Rainbow Warrior and Iran-Contra.
Now forty years + after JFK's death, practically all the 'conspiracy theories' about him have been shown to be false. Watch and learn:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7184933155238761777#
And over 8 years after 9/11, you truthers keep recycling long-discredited theories, and have achieved absolutely no result in convincing the broader (i.e. non-deranged) public that your views have any validity (the declining 'revelations' of the truthers being detailed here):
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=168999
So what should that tell you?
Luke is diverting money to his savings
http://crotchshotradio.com/2010/03/16/luke-diverts-we-are-changes-funds-to-his-savings-account/
This is a bit off topic, but i have to ask. Are Jimmy and patty, life partners?
If anything is frivolous here it is the judge's behaviour. He essentially declares the top executive officials (Presidents, current and former, VP's, et al.) exempt from legal standards applied to everybody else. That is immoral, illegal, unconstitutional.
He essentially declares the top executive officials (Presidents, current and former, VP's, et al.) exempt from legal standards applied to everybody else.
No Bore-ass, he threw out a lawsuit that clearly baseless and a waster of time. I know coming from the former USSR, to you everything is a scam to cover up for the powers that be, but we actually have something called rule of law, you can't bring a lawsuit against public officials and expect it to proceed without some credible evidence.
Boris Epstein said...
If anything is frivolous here it is the judge's behaviour. He essentially declares the top executive officials (Presidents, current and former, VP's, et al.) exempt from legal standards applied to everybody else. That is immoral, illegal, unconstitutional.
Becaaausee... there is no proof that they did anything wrong. JUST speculation, which he in fact states.
It is NOT immoral to not suddenly try someone when there's nothing but speculation to go on.
Nor is it in any way illegal when the JUDICIAL BRANCH decides something (that is their job) and the CONSTITUTION is what gives him the authority to make those decisions... (again, becuase it is his job to do so).
You see, Boris, the Legislative Branch makes up the laws (hence the word LEGAL) and the Judicial Branch interprets those laws, while the Executive branch executes those laws based on those interpetations.
Also, we have an appeal system for when we think we've been treated unfairly by the system.
So this person can file one. The judge will never be found to have done something which you so brilliantly stated as "ILLEGAL" when giving his judgement (again, that's his job). But he can get his ruling overturned, thanks to the system.
But go ahead and make dubious statements...
These 'judges' are crooked Zionists obstructing justice for their Zionist cohorts. I present to you the case of Alvin K. Hellerstein who has denied 9/11 victims from getting their day in court and suing the pants of the Israeli company ICTS who was complicit in the hijacking of the planes.
Of course by not letting any of the family members go to trail Hellerstein has prevented discovery that would show Israeli complicity in 9/11.
The Absence of Justice for 9/11 Victims * 20 March 2007
Oh, well then nes... that certainly proves 9/11 was an inside job to me.
Christopher Bollyn????
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"nes718 said...
These 'judges' are crooked Zionists obstructing justice for their Zionist cohorts."
Ahhhh, the sweet evil stench of anti-semitism.
Are there any depths that repulsive twooooofers™ won't descend to?
first can any of you dipshits define the word conspiracy?
Yes.
second there are plenty of documented cases of conspiracies.
Yes, 9/11, for example. It was a conspiracy involving people like Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, and Mohammed Atta.
there was president lincoln, his assassination was part of a conspiracy to kill lincoln, vp andrew johnson, and sec state seward.
Yes. What does this have to do with 9/11?
the trouble is nothing actually gets debunked around
False. Everything has been debunked long ago. Try reading the archives some time.
I really hope that 'nes718' is a spoof. Surely not even a truther can be that much of an obnoxious twat.
I really hope that 'nes718' is a spoof.
He's not.
Well, Triterope, I can only describe him as proof that someone pissed in the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn't looking.
Poor Sackie!! His understanding of the Iran-Contra scandal fails to incorporate the thousands of tons of cocaine brought into the US by Ronald Reagan and his scumbag henchman Bill Casey.That's like leaving Babe Ruth off your all-time baseball team!
"Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...
Poor Sackie!! His understanding of the Iran-Contra scandal fails to incorporate the thousands of tons of cocaine brought into the US by Ronald Reagan and his scumbag henchman Bill Casey.That's like leaving Babe Ruth off your all-time baseball team!"
Could someone translate this prattle into Sane for me?
Thanks.
"No,it's not,it actually happened".More weak brew from the insane PornBoy,as if he doesn't know that the CIA is one of the biggest illegal narcotics importers in American history.That's reality,you simpleton,and it was your boy the dumbass Ronald Reagan who brought in thousands of tons of primo cocaine in.The moron also sent a Bible and a birthday cake to the Ayatollah!!!!!!!
" Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...
"No,it's not,it actually happened".More weak brew from the insane PornBoy,as if he doesn't know that the CIA is one of the biggest illegal narcotics importers in American history.That's reality,you simpleton,and it was your boy the dumbass Ronald Reagan who brought in thousands of tons of primo cocaine in.The moron also sent a Bible and a birthday cake to the Ayatollah!!!!!!!"
Um....
a little help here?
Anyone?
Anyone speak Insane?
Lazarus, I tried putting Arhoolie's rant into Yahoo! translator and all I get back is it telling to fuck off, like this:
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So I don't know...
"The moron also sent a Bible and a birthday cake to the Ayatollah!!!!!!!"
Anyone but a self-loathing Jew would find this funny...
'His understanding of the Iran-Contra scandal fails to incorporate the thousands of tons of cocaine brought into the US by Ronald Reagan and his scumbag henchman Bill Casey.'
Evidence would be nice Walt. I keep asking you to substantiate your BS. You keep ranting as if that makes a difference. Show me your sources for this claim, or just bin it.
You still owe me the 'evidence' linking Jundollah to the CIA as well.
thousands of tons of cocaine brought into the US by Ronald Reagan and his scumbag henchman Bill Casey
This is what I love about 9-11 Truthers. You keep them talking long enough, they'll eventually assert their belief in some other conspiracy so pathologically stupid that it immediately discredits them.
Ronald Reagan as a drug kingpin? Seriously? And let me guess, Bill Clinton smuggled coke too? Idiot.
Don't tell me you never heard of Clinton's drug flights coming into Mena AK? Never heard of Barry Seal? Richard Ben-Veniste was Seal's lawyer. Ever hear of him?
As to Reagan as a drug lord, you never heard of Gary Webb? Sen. John Kerry did investigations of the Contra-Cocaine-Connection and validated Webb's findings. Ever hear of Kerry?
You girls are so dumb it's a good thing you're pretty.
You have to give cement head Trite 'n Dopey credit for his dunderheaded forthrightness.If nothing else.The happy news is the simpleton has plenty of fresh learning experiences ahead in life!! At this point it looks like he' been inhaling kilos of propaganda incessantly.Ga Hey Brofee!! He really is as dumb as a box of rocks.Probably a case of too damn much Steve Coll.And get a load of the weasely Sir Moldy with his vaudeville schticky "evidence please"!! This ain't your class full of saps,find out for yourself.You really must be playing dumb when you act like you know nothing about the documented and de-classified depredations of thew CIA around the world for,oh,60 years now.What a phony asshole you are DrinksMaster.You're abetter method actor than Marlon Brando!!
Don't tell me you never heard of Clinton's drug flights coming into Mena AK? Never heard of Barry Seal? Richard Ben-Veniste was Seal's lawyer. Ever hear of him?
Nobody cares about the voices in your head, Petgoat.
As to Reagan as a drug lord, you never heard of Gary Webb? Sen. John Kerry did investigations of the Contra-Cocaine-Connection and validated Webb's findings. Ever hear of Kerry?
Nobody cares, Petgoat.
You girls are so dumb it's a good thing you're pretty.
YES!!! He called us girls. You're getting worse and worse with every post, Petgoat. You should probably see a psychiatrist.
The Debunker Cult:a riddle wrapped up in an enigma crossed with a healthy dose of mind bending stupidity."New York,er" has grabbed the prize with his assertion that nobody cares about the CIA's drug dealing and collaboration with some of the worst killers on the planet.It's all voices in the head,hey jackoff?! Learning about Barry Seal would be some good baby food for the ridiculous and relentless "debunker".Gary Webb's book might give him a heart attack so keep an eye on him fellow cultists!
Walt and Anonymous, here's a top tip. When you make an allegation, refer us to your sources.
And as for Gary Webb, was he the journo who topped himself after his stories were discredited?
Poor SackofDirtyDiapers,it was sad watching him tumble face first into the pachysandra.What was saddest is that no one tried to help him,so there he lies.
'Poor SackofDirtyDiapers,it was sad watching him tumble face first into the pachysandra.What was saddest is that no one tried to help him,so there he lies.'
Here's a top tip for you, Walt. Crystal meth fucks you up.
Why never some observations about the positive aspects of drug use?
Clinton, Obama, Bush, they've all had their fair share of fun!
A muffled voice from the hedges asserts that "..Gary Webb's been discredited,stay away from that at all costs".Bozo,you've really lost it! That's Pulitzer Prize winnig author Gary Webb,to you!!
'That's Pulitzer Prize winnig author Gary Webb,to you!!'
Is he any relation to the 'disavowed by the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times Gary Webb?'. Just wondering.
Still waiting for the Iranians to reveal all that evidence they've got on Rigi, BTW.
"Disavowed"?!? Say what?!?
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