Monday, August 23, 2010

Gage-Thomas Debate Analysis

I was unable to listen to it live, but I'm listening to an MP3 now thanks to JREF Forum member Sam.I.Am. I've heard the first half hour (all Box Boy) so far and here's the bingo card as I have it:



As predicted, Gage filled in the bulk of the card quickly. You could argue for "Never Before In History", although Gage's phrasing (about WTC-7) was "Third worst structural failure in history," so I'm leaving it open for now. And he skirts close to the missing pancakes, but just talks about pancaking collapse, so we'll give that one a pass so far as well.

The host had to press him on what he thought happened; as usual Gage would rather talk about "evidence" without quite connecting the dots himself. However, near the end of the segment, Box Boy does indicate that two companies that should be investigated are the security company and Ace Elevator, so he is being forced to elaborate on his conspiracy theory.

I'll post further thoughts as I listen to the rest of the show.

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14 Comments:

At 23 August, 2010 10:28, Blogger angrysoba said...

However, near the end of the segment, Box Boy does indicate that two companies that should be investigated are the security company and Ace Elevator, so he is being forced to elaborate on his conspiracy theory.


Well, in this debate he is truly outed as a complete conspiraloon. If his reputation is based on him cleaving to a fairly conventional understanding of history he completely shreds it here.

 
At 23 August, 2010 11:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Here you go, Pat.

Source: YouTube: Coast to Coast AM - 1 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

 
At 23 August, 2010 11:54, Blogger Joseph Nobles said...

Lovely. Ace Elevator went out of business years ago (the WTC was the bulk of their business), so it's unlikely he can be sued by them.

 
At 23 August, 2010 12:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Links to the entire "debate":

Coast to Coast AM - 1 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 2 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 3 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 4 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 5 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 6 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 7 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 8 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 9 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 10 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

Coast to Coast AM - 11 of 11 - 9/11 Debate.

 
At 23 August, 2010 16:42, Blogger Triterope said...

Ace Elevator went out of business years ago (the WTC was the bulk of their business), so it's unlikely he can be sued by them.

You're right. What a perfect villain for Richard Gage. An organization with confirmable ties to the WTC, but will never respond to anything he says. A faceless, nameless, soulless bogeyman he can stalk for as long as the rubes keep lining up.

And the best part? The name. "Ace Elevator Company." It just sounds phony, doesn't it? It's so generic, like it's trying to be generic. It sounds like the front company for the government conspiracy in a 1980s spy movie. In fact, it was exactly that. Points to anyone who can tell me what movie I'm thinking of.

 
At 23 August, 2010 17:32, Blogger avicenne said...

Is that movie Spies Like Us? If not, it has a certain feel of James bond to it, circa 1981.

Regarding Box Boy, he's either insane, thicker than a plank of wood, or beyond desperate. Ace Elevator Company?! My God, the mystery of it all.

 
At 23 August, 2010 20:04, Blogger Triterope said...

Wrong, it was The Girl Can't Help It!

Yeah, it was Spies Like Us.

 
At 24 August, 2010 02:08, Blogger Jay said...

Lol, he knows that the buildings were destroyed by Nano thermite, but the tool doesn.t know how much had to be used to actually bring it down. I thought they had scientists in their team, so im guessing they can calculate how much would have been used.

 
At 24 August, 2010 02:15, Blogger Jay said...

And again he comes with that stupid claim about the columns being catapulted away from the building. I guess he is referring to that photo where the column is sticking out of the building. Well i debunked that in the next video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GIxWjWA3Ec

 
At 24 August, 2010 13:40, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Jay wrote, "...Lol, he knows that the buildings were destroyed by Nano thermite, but the tool doesn.t know how much had to be used to actually bring it down. I thought they had scientists in their team, so im guessing they can calculate how much would have been used."

Harrit is lying. Jones performed the "calculations" back in 2006, and Harrit knows it.

Steven Jones wrote, "...Scaling to the 110-story WTC towers, roughly 1300 lbs [590 kg] of explosives per tower would suffice."

Source: journalof911studies.com: Why did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?

I guess it's too much to expect the "truth" from a 9/11 "truther."

 
At 24 August, 2010 18:17, Blogger ConsDemo said...

And the best part? The name. "Ace Elevator Company." It just sounds phony, doesn't it? It's so generic, like it's trying to be generic.

Yeah, the next company they try to implicate will be called "Acme."

In reference to the lawsuit, couldn't the former owners of Ace elevator sue Dick Gage? Then again, maybe not if he is just calling for an investigation with out actually saying the company was complicit in the supposed demolition.

 
At 25 August, 2010 15:44, Blogger Triterope said...

couldn't the former owners of Ace elevator sue Dick Gage?

It wouldn't be worth the effort.

I'll put it this way: members of the 9-11 Truth movement have said far worse things to far greater audiences, and no one ever got sued.

 
At 29 August, 2010 09:37, Blogger Kjetil said...

Next time, add the following to your bingo chart: "I don't know that, that's why we need a new investigation"

 
At 30 August, 2010 15:51, Blogger Triterope said...

"We need a new investigation" could have been the free space.

 

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