Tuesday, January 11, 2011

Truther Body Count

Who's murdered more Americans in the last 9 years, the Truthers or Al Qaeda?

At least inside the United States, it isn't even a contest. Consider:

Jared Loughner: Murdered six people in a shooting spree in Tucson and wounded at least 13 others. Victims: Federal judge John Roll, 63; Christina Green, 9; Gabe Zimmerman, 30; Dorothy Murray, 76; Dorwin Stoddard, 76; and Phyllis Scheck, 79.

Sean Fitzgerald: Murdered his father after voices in his head told him Edward Fitzgerald was the devil.

Curtiss Maynard: Murdered his wife, Melissa Meza, 34, before killing himself.


James W. Von Brunn
: Murdered Holocaust Museum security guard Stephen Tyrone Johns, 39.

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Allegedly murdered his wife, Nancy Sonnenfeld, 36.

That's twelve confirmed kills so far, and that's not including Richard Poplawski, an Alex Jones fan who killed three Pittsburgh cops. I'm not sure if he's a Truther in addition to the other nutty stuff he believes. It also doesn't include Pentagon shooter John Patrick Bedell, who is indeed a Truther but who was killed after wounding two police officers, or Byron Williams, who shot it out with the California Highway Patrol but failed to kill anyone.

Now, I don't think being a Truther makes you more likely to become a murderer. Rather I think that both are symptoms stemming from a similar cause: mental illness. Paranoid schizophrenics are probably more likely to become Truthers than the general population, and probably more likely to have voices in their heads telling them to kill someone.

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At 11 January, 2011 11:24, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Everything on that issue is true. Not only are they mentally ill, but they have thought that the "evil government" is going to get them while they sleep. So what they do, they exploit the 2nd Amendment to see fit that it's their duty, as American Citizens, to bring down the government by any means nessesary.

The loons of the 9/11 Truth fringe are comitting these murders & trying to weasel out of it saying: "He/she's not with us." Well if someone from their group is killing people, those people in that group had the right to stop that person from comitting the crime. They are guilty by association!

 
At 11 January, 2011 12:14, Blogger ConsDemo said...

The loons of the 9/11 Truth fringe are comitting these murders & trying to weasel out of it saying: "He/she's not with us."

I don't think you need to include the word "fringe" since it implies there is a non-fringe part of the the twoof movement, they are all fringe.

As for their excuse, I suspect most of them will claim the murders are government agents masquerading as twoofers to discredit the "movement" as if it could be more discredited than it already is!

Well if someone from their group is killing people, those people in that group had the right to stop that person from comitting the crime. They are guilty by association!

Its worse than that, the so-called "leadership" of the twoof movement has been poising the minds of mentally deficient people, they are complicit in their acts. The victims and their families need to start suing Alex Jones, Grifter, Gage, et al and the rest who derive income from peddling this hate.

 
At 11 January, 2011 12:30, Blogger Patrick said...

Your point is taken but Nidal Hassan killed 13 and wounded 30 in the Ft. Hood shootings and I think he should be associated with al Qaeda even without a direct line to Osama.

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

I think there is some truth to what you guys are saying--that the "credibility is over-rated" wing of the truth movement has been recruiting the gullible and not-so-bright with the Jesse Ventura brand of crap.

Of course the Communists have long had controversies about the wisdom of recruiting amongst the lumpenproletariat.

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:38, Blogger Ian G. said...

I think there is some truth to what you guys are saying--that the "credibility is over-rated" wing of the truth movement has been recruiting the gullible and not-so-bright with the Jesse Ventura brand of crap.

Brian, there is no other brand of truther. Your mindless babbling about spray-on thermite is just as insane as the CIT ideas. Sorry.

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:49, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, your only talent is self-deception--and even there you should thank providence it's so easy for you, cause you couldn't succeed with anyone else.

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:53, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, your only talent is self-deception--and even there you should thank providence it's so easy for you, cause you couldn't succeed with anyone else.

It's hilarious to be told by a delusional liar that I'm deceiving myself.

Also, I'm not trying to deceive anyone else. After all, I'm the one who pointed out these facts:
1, you're petgoat
2, you sex stalked Carol Brouillet
3, you're an unemployed janitor
4, you've been kicked out of the truth movement.

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:59, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

I blame Bush

 
At 11 January, 2011 15:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you're a liar and/or you lack the mental capacity to distinguish fantasy from reality. MIHOP or LIHOP--big diff.

 
At 11 January, 2011 16:05, Blogger paul w said...

This is from an Oz truther (regarding the coincidence of the young girl's 9-11 birth date):

"We know the elite love numeric symbolism, and how they love to abandon and even punish those who were hurt by or affected by 911 (firefighters).

This is incredibly unlikely to be a random shooting though, when it has all the hallmarks of an MKultra type or patsy organised hit.

Most foolish of all are all the morons calling him a right winger when Gifford herself supports gun ownership and cracking down on immigration!!!! By the gullible left/right paradigm definition she's a right wing conservative!

I guess since the left wing are taken over by fake libertarian tea party greenie nazi Obama worshippers, they have no other term within the fake political structure to use.

Gifford was against two major facets of the NWO agenda, gun control and immigration (NAU in the making) I'm guessing she was murdered mainly due to this."

Yup, the usual rational, thoughtful mindset of a truther.

No doubt this tragedy will be added to the list of black-ops, mind-control, psyche-ops and such of the coming NWO.

 
At 11 January, 2011 16:23, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, you're a liar and/or you lack the mental capacity to distinguish fantasy from reality.

Poor petgoat, he's babbling uncontrollably now.

 
At 11 January, 2011 18:37, Blogger William Giltner said...

Perhaps you want to slam me and Dean Hartwell, while you being so generous and doling out the truth about truthers:

Link: Dean Hartwell's new Book: Planes without Passengers

 
At 11 January, 2011 18:57, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

This place is comedy gold, Jerry, GOLD!

 
At 11 January, 2011 19:15, Blogger paul w said...

Re; Dean Hartwell's new Book: Planes without Passengers

Here's a comment about the book:

"Thanks to Dean Hartwell for focusing on one of the most bizarre elements of the 9/11 fraud.

This needed to be extracted from all the other propaganda, so it could be seen clearly, and in isolation.

The entire fraud is so complex that it boggles the mind. So only by isolating crucial pieces of it can a great many readers have access to this one incredible detail.

Once you see this clearly, the rest begins to fall into place. Bravo."

My mind boggles, too!

Yup, comedy GOLD!!!

 
At 11 January, 2011 19:39, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Perhaps you want to slam me and Dean Hartwell, while you being so generous and doling out the truth about truthers:

Wow. What is it with Truthers lately, calling attention to themselves so they may be abused and ridiculed? But since you asked, here you go: don't call attention to your irrational beliefs at the same time you're looking for a job.

Hope that helps.

 
At 11 January, 2011 20:08, Blogger William Giltner said...

The question is, rgt: who's going to get the $1,000 bucks?

 
At 12 January, 2011 08:11, Blogger William Giltner said...

Hard to Believe?

WSJ misses the "Truther" connection on the killer

 
At 12 January, 2011 08:13, Blogger Billman said...

So what they do, they exploit the 2nd Amendment to see fit that it's their duty, as American Citizens, to bring down the government by any means nessesary.

Exactly. And this mindset is only further pushed along by the horrendous attitudes of Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas. I've lost track of how many times have I heard a truther quoting lines from "National Treasure" in thier posts, and then being smug arrogant dicks about it.

 
At 12 January, 2011 08:48, Blogger Pat said...

Wait a minute, Bill. I thought you were a planes without planes guy?

 
At 12 January, 2011 10:12, Blogger William Giltner said...

Pat,

I respect that level of detail you track about truthers, including me. Your contrasting my theory with the title of Dean's book is pretty much right on the money.

I haven't found the evidence to pretend I know exactly what happened. Therefore; I'll throw in with most everyone questioning the official story (OS). If an individual has a way of specifically questioning the "plane hijacking" part of OS, I'm a hardcore supporter. Of course, I have lost patience with Nico. And I'm still not to happy with Fetzer's behavior over the years.

And for good measure, I'll share that I'm not suffering from any mental illness, I don't own any weapons, and have no thoughts of doing violence to anyone.

 
At 12 January, 2011 12:28, Blogger TroyFromWV said...

And for good measure, I'll share that I'm not suffering from any mental illness..

That is incorrect.

 
At 12 January, 2011 14:42, Blogger paul w said...

"I'll share that I'm not suffering from any mental illness"

So, you do not accept the reality of NIST and such, and throw your vote behind the truthers?

And...

"If an individual has a way of specifically questioning the "plane hijacking" part of OS, I'm a hardcore supporter."

Mental illness.

 
At 12 January, 2011 15:38, Blogger sabba said...

willie's bitch snug.bug said...

I think there is some truth to what you guys are saying--that the "credibility is over-rated" wing of the truth movement has been recruiting the gullible and not-so-bright with the Jesse Ventura brand of crap.
Brian Good, I think you may be the next criminal losing it out there. You have the denial traits whore. Get HELP.

 
At 12 January, 2011 16:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

sabba, what am I denying? When I said there was no evidence of Willie Rodriguez's South Africa tour except his own claim about it, you claimed there were 500,000 fans there, but you refused to provide any evidence. Looks like you're the one in denial of the fact that Willie Rodriguez is a liar and a fraud.

 
At 12 January, 2011 17:57, Blogger Ian G. said...

Looks like you're the one in denial of the fact that Willie Rodriguez is a liar and a fraud.

Yes, Willie Rodriguez is a liar and a fraud....just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER TRUTHER. There is no difference between him and Richard Gage or David Ray Griffin.

 
At 12 January, 2011 18:19, Blogger 911TNLZ said...

" Ian G. said...

Looks like you're the one in denial of the fact that Willie Rodriguez is a liar and a fraud.

Yes, Willie Rodriguez is a liar and a fraud....just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER TRUTHER. There is no difference between him and Richard Gage or David Ray Griffin."

Oh don't be a drama queen. Of course there's a difference between someone you think is just wrong and psycho child abusers like Kevin Barret and Troy from West Virginia.
Then there's lulz truthers and debunkahs can share...like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mlqh7cXp6s

:)

 
At 12 January, 2011 20:10, Blogger Ian G. said...

Oh don't be a drama queen. Of course there's a difference between someone you think is just wrong and psycho child abusers like Kevin Barret and Troy from West Virginia.

What? I said that truthers are liars and frauds. I didn't say anything about child abuse. Learn to read.

 
At 13 January, 2011 06:42, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Bitch Brian Good from Palo alto said: sabba, what am I denying? When I said there was no evidence of Willie Rodriguez's South Africa tour except his own claim about it, you claimed there were 500,000 fans there, but you refused to provide any evidence. Looks like you're the one in denial of the fact that Willie Rodriguez is a liar and a fraud.
Hey bitch, there you go lying again, it was 50,000 not 500 as you stated here, not my number either bitch, go google it, and I am no in a denial of anything but I stated for the record that I will welcome a conversation and debate with WR, 100 times over yours.He seems more reasonable despite his faults. Not like you stalker. I still think you are a potential criminal and the FBI should check on you for possible future reactions. ( of course , I am putting key words here so it can be found via google!) So also for the record I believe hat Brian Good from Palo Alto , california is a potential terrorist who may go crazy one day and shoot Condolezza Rice and / or others. There you have it bitch. learn to google.

 
At 13 January, 2011 09:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, it is poor form to post your reply on the wrong thread. I already fixed the 500,000 number. I already know how to google and 500,000--or 50,000--is not there. There's nothing about William Rodriguez in Africa, period.

Willie used the same gambit when he told the Los Angeles Scholars' Symposium that he raised $122 million for the community. Go to the internet, check it out, he said. It's not there--only a secondary report years later of his unsubstantiated report in El Pais.

Good luck getting Willie to debate. The guy wouldn't even answer questions at his presentations. And he threatened to cancel his 2007 appearance in the San Francisco Bay Area because he was afraid to answer questions from one of the promoters. Willie doesn't do questions.

 
At 13 January, 2011 11:04, Blogger sabba said...

willie's bitch Brian Good from palo Alto califonia ( Snug.bug) says:
Sappo, it is poor form to post your reply on the wrong thread. I already fixed the 500,000 number. I already know how to google and 500,000--or 50,000--is not there. There's nothing about William Rodriguez in Africa, period.
I already challenged you in the other thread bitch. If I provide not only the links that you lied about his presentations, will you accept you lied all these threads about his non appearances?

Willie used the same gambit when he told the Los Angeles Scholars' Symposium that he raised $122 million for the community. Go to the internet, check it out, he said. It's not there--only a secondary report years later of his unsubstantiated report in El Pais. I do not know what the fuck are you talking about and I do not care either.

Good luck getting Willie to debate. The guy wouldn't even answer questions at his presentations. And he threatened to cancel his 2007 appearance in the San Francisco Bay Area because he was afraid to answer questions from one of the promoters. Willie doesn't do questions. is this your "belief" again? or is it a fact? are you going to tell me that the janitor does not answer Q and A's? or is it only that time? or is it only to you? why will you not face him on face to face debate as stated many times all over the net?
Tell us bitch.

 
At 13 January, 2011 11:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

I didn't lie about anything. I said I can't find any evidence that Willie has had an appearance since the Jersey City fiasco. That's a fact.

You don't care that Willie made the claim in Los Angeles that he raised $122 million? You should, if you are the debunker you claim to be--because it's debunker gold. He made that absurd claim, he invited people to check it out on the internet to see for themselves, there was no evidence for it, and the truth movement didn't check it out!

What's this face to face thing? If Willie has a problem with me, lots of people know how to reach me.

 
At 13 January, 2011 13:16, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch-snug.bug said...

"I didn't lie about anything. I said I can't find any evidence that Willie has had an appearance since the Jersey City fiasco. That's a fact.
False you claimed as a fact that he did not have any gigs after that event with Sunjata.

What's this face to face thing? If Willie has a problem with me, lots of people know how to reach me.
So you deny saying here and on forums that you do not do face to face debate? is that correct?

 
At 13 January, 2011 13:30, Blogger anonymous said...

Then there's lulz truthers and debunkahs can share...like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mlqh7cXp6s

:)

12 January, 2011 18:19


Rob Balsamo got a girlfriend at last? and she's believes his pilot's bullshit?

 
At 13 January, 2011 13:46, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch-snug.bug said...

I didn't lie about anything. I said I can't find any evidence that Willie has had an appearance since the Jersey City fiasco. That's a fact.

really? here is your statement as a fact.
snug.bug said...

Ian, all I need to know about Willie's standing in the truth movement is that he hasn't had a gig in the USA since 2009 (and it flopped, despite the presence of Daniel Sunjata), his last gig that got any notice was in Paraguay in 2009, he could not get anyone to buy him an airline ticket so he could attend the Australia conference in 11/09...
I wouldn't claim credit for this state of affairs--Willie created it all himself. But it's pretty obvious that he blames me for it.

11 January, 2011 21:54


Pretty clear to me. Plus you think you are so important that WR blames you for it? oh brother! talk about ego. Get a life bitch!

 
At 13 January, 2011 13:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

Succa, that was my opinion. If it's not true, prove it. What, did Willie set up a table at the flea market to try to sell his old DVDs?

I wouldn't do a real-time debate 'cause Willie has shown that he doesn't care if innocent third parties get hurt by his lies. I do care.

 
At 13 January, 2011 14:36, Blogger Ian G. said...

I wouldn't do a real-time debate 'cause Willie has shown that he doesn't care if innocent third parties get hurt by his lies. I do care.

Nobody cares about Willie Rodriguez, you deranged, glue-sniffing liar.

 
At 13 January, 2011 15:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

Well if you don't mind, I'm just going to make sure that it stays that way.

 
At 13 January, 2011 15:20, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch,snug.bug said...

"Succa, that was my opinion. If it's not true, prove it. not so fast whore, you did not agree to the challenge, go back a few threads and get in line. And for future references, please be clear that it is your opinion bitch.

I wouldn't do a real-time debate 'cause Willie has shown that he doesn't care if innocent third parties get hurt by his lies. I do care.
I said all along pussy, you will not face him. Case closed.

 
At 13 January, 2011 15:23, Blogger sabba said...

@ Ian G. Ian wouldn't it be funny to have a truther celebrity match between Brian and WR? Brian will go for it just to be able to hug him on the ring.

 
At 13 January, 2011 17:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 13 January, 2011 17:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

Why should I have a real-time debate with someone who is afraid to answer written questions?

Here are some I found on the internet:

I'm looking for answers:

1. Substantiation/corroboration of
the claim that William single-handedly rescued fifteen (15) persons. Preferably this would be credible enough to allow a ethical journalist to repeat the claims in a mainstream news article as a fact. An explanation of why the single-handed rescue of thirteen (13) unnamed persons is left out of his narrative would also be nice.

2. Details on Mr. Rodriguez's claim to have aided in the saving of hundreds. Since most people evacuated the WTC under their own ower, and there were only a few non-ambulatory people who needed to be carried out, this claim seems a bit exaggerated.

3. An explanation of how Mr. Rodriguez can claim as a fact that there was a 22-story partial collapse from 65 to 43 "boom boom boom boom" when he never climbed higher than 39, he never saw it, and nobody else in the world makes this claim. How can Mr. Rodriguez repeat this tale hundreds of times around the world and fail to recognize that it's not true?

4. An explanation of Mr. John Schroeder's account of having been rescued by William along with a dozen other FDNY guys. Did this happen? If so, why does William leave it out of his narrative? Mr. Schroeder is obviously confused about other aspects of that day--he thinks tower two fell after tower one, for instance.

5. An explanation of why, if his Key of Hope was so important, William was allowed to take it with him when he was ordered down from the 39th floor.

6. Is there any corroboration for his claim that he was protected
from falling debris because he dived under a fire truck?

7. An explanation for why, 7 weeks after the questions were raised, there have been no answers. Dr. Barrett's silence in particular is peculiar, because reticence is not his personal style. Quite aggressive questioning on his own blog at 911blogger got no response.

8. An explanation of why, 7 weeks after the questions were raised, the guy who can get Cindy Sheehan to introduce him at his spiel can't get one person with a name to endorse his claims.

 
At 13 January, 2011 17:41, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch-snug.bug said...

"Why should I have a real-time debate with someone who is afraid to answer written questions?"

Point taken. You are a pussy and you will not face him as stated by everybody on the net.
The other stuff, nobody fucking cares but you.

You are still a potential criminal in my book. I will make sure the officials keep an eye on you. Trust me on that.

 
At 14 January, 2011 00:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're not making any sense. Why should you care if I debate Willy or not?

 
At 14 January, 2011 09:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

Right, sabba, nobody cares. Willie is a non issue. As I said, he hasn't had a gig since the Jersey City fiasco a year ago and there's no evidence to support his claim of a South African tour.

And your grandiose claims of 50,000 fans and your dramatic offers to negotiate deals by which you will provide evidence for your claims, your elaborate ad hominem attacks--these are the same tactics Willie's sock puppets have been using for years. A washed-up con man is not a pretty sight.

 
At 14 January, 2011 10:24, Blogger William Giltner said...

Seeing all the discussion about what William R. has claimed, and whether any of it is true, makes me wonder why the same treatment isn't in store for George "W": ( ( Updated ) President Bush Fails: One Aspect of W’s Story Doesn’t Add Up )

 
At 14 January, 2011 10:47, Blogger snug.bug said...

Well, WG, one of the reasons Bush is not facing the demands for accountability that he should be facing is because clowns like Willie went around deliberately hurting Accountability movement's credibility with the media.

I'm just one guy and I can't take down the President. But I can take down the con artist whose lying and incompetent lawsuit against Bush predictably failed and thus represented a case of distracting and discrediting false opposition. Willie's lawyer Phil Berg then went on to write an equally illiterate Birther suit against Obama.

 
At 14 January, 2011 12:08, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch says: snug.bug said...

Right, sabba, nobody cares. Willie is a non issue. As I said, he hasn't had a gig since the Jersey City fiasco a year ago and there's no evidence to support his claim of a South African tour.
google it bitch, is there.

... and your dramatic offers to negotiate deals by which you will provide evidence for your claims, your elaborate ad hominem attacks--these are the same tactics Willie's sock puppets have been using for years. A washed-up con man is not a pretty sight. oh the indignity of your evasiveness bitch. If you are so sure about your statements then accept the deal, accept the challenges, you have nothing to loose right? And for the other stuff you seem to think that everyone that calls you a whore or a bitch or a fuck face must be Willie? HA! your obsession is too deep. I still maintain you are a potential criminal , terrorist , waiting to blow the lid. You should be stopped before you hurt someone.
And how about answering my questions about you?

 
At 14 January, 2011 12:11, Blogger sabba said...

By the way, isn't it worrisome for you that you get kicked out of groups of your own peers?

 
At 14 January, 2011 12:18, Blogger sabba said...

TO Brian Good. Repost.
I already challenged you in the other thread bitch. If I provide not only the links that you lied about WR presentations, will you accept you lied in all these threads about his non appearances?

 
At 14 January, 2011 12:33, Blogger sabba said...

for everybody's interest (Pat and JAmesB included), I sent the following e-mail to William Rodriguez via Social Network.

Sabbatini writes: Hello Mr. Rodriguez,
I know you may be busy but I will appreciate an answer to couple of questions. I am a member of theScrewloosechange blog and even though we may have different views on 9/11 I respect you for the actions on that terrible day.
Do you know Brian Good?
Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?
Thanks.

William@william911.com writes:
Hi Mr. Sabbatini
Thanks for the note. I am very busy at the moment but will answer your questions.
Brian Good is a stalker who has harassed me and others. He wants so bad to be my bitch is almost laughable, but also creepy. He will not dare to debate me face to face and only wants to do it via online postings.

About your second question, I am not one of those persons who screams 9/11 was an inside job! for me to do that will be very irresponsible since I do not have the evidence to prove that and despite whatever has been pinned on me in past news articles, I do not think that if we are asking for a new investigation of any form, we cannot accuse first. I retract from that as I retracted from my lawsuit. I guess as time passes you learn more. Take care and say hello to JamesB and Pat Curley and tell them to reach out sometime to me.
William R.
There, for the record, even the janitor calls Brian Good his wannabe bitch.

 
At 14 January, 2011 12:55, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, "google it, bitch" is not supporting your claims. I have googled it. It's not there. Nor is Willie's claim that he raised $122 million "for the community", though he said it was.

I've got nothing to lose by you proving your bogus claims. It was my opinion that Willie has not had a gig since he flopped him his own home town, and that remains my opinion until I see some evidence that it is wrong. If he set up a table at some flea market to peddle his DVDs that only proves my point.

There is no reason to believe that your email from Willie actually came from Willie, and even if it did, there is no reason to believe anything that fat fraud says.

 
At 14 January, 2011 15:47, Blogger paul w said...

Dear god, this is funny!
Slap that bitch down, sabba!

 
At 14 January, 2011 16:17, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch Brian Good -snug.bug said...

Sappo, "google it, bitch" is not supporting your claims.

My chalenge stil stands bitch.

I have googled it. It's not there...

It shows how good of a researcher you are. You who claimed to be the ultimate expert on WR. You who told IAN G, "Learn how to Google"

I have googled it. It's not there... Again, you state that as a definite fact. How pretentious of you , whore.

I have googled it. It's not there...
Neither your claims that you are a respected 9/11 researcher,
or, your claims that you are not a stalker, or, your claims that you never harassed Carol Broulliett or tried to break her marriage or your claims that you have not been banned or kicked out from your own 9/11 groups, including Richard Gage's.

I've got nothing to lose by you proving your bogus claims. It was my opinion that Willie has not had a gig since he flopped him his own home town, and that remains my opinion until I see some evidence that it is wrong.
Again you lie, you stated it as a fact and not as an opinion, when you are put against the wall and confronted with your lies, you selectively recant.
If he set up a table at some flea market to peddle his DVDs that only proves my point. ?????


There is no reason to believe that your email from Willie actually came from Willie, and even if it did, there is no reason to believe anything that fat fraud says.
Different to you, who will not dare to call C-SPAN to validate your idiotic claims that it was due to your Latin lover appearance that they stooped that nonsense, I do take action and contact the person object of your wet dreams.
Next thing, once I get the e-mail, I will contact that guy from NJ zamarnov, whatever his name is and get his opinion on your bullshit, if he validates your point that this was an event held by WR and not by them, then I will humbly apologize and call you a winner but if he was only invited to an event not held by him then you are again proven to be a lying sack of shit.
Wanna see?

 
At 14 January, 2011 16:20, Blogger sabba said...

paul w said...

Dear god, this is funny!
Slap that bitch down, sabba!


Paul, Brian Good is a potential terrorist, a potential criminal that must be closely watched.

 
At 14 January, 2011 17:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

Wow, what a museum of nonsense!

 
At 14 January, 2011 18:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, since Willie's entire career has been one of flinging stinky red herrings around, it's not surprising that you try to make the question one of "who held the NJ event" or "why won't Brian call C-Span" or "Does Brian know how to google".

The fact is, the youtube of the Jersey City event shows that it flopped, and you have not and can not provide evidence of any C-Span 9/1 programs after Willie's shameful performance at the Emanuel, not any evidence of any South African appearances or any Euro tour in 2010.

 
At 15 January, 2011 07:37, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's whore, Brian Good Fom Palo Alto California- snug.bug said...

Sappo, since Willie's entire career has been one of flinging stinky red herrings around, it's not surprising that you try to make the question one of "who held the NJ event" or "why won't Brian call C-Span" or "Does Brian know how to google".

The fact is, the youtube of the Jersey City event shows that it flopped...

What is it pussy? are you afraid I will contact the organizer and find out the real story and expose your lies? I just got his email so, go ahead and try to pre-empt me.


and you have not and can not provide evidence of any C-Span 9/1 programs after Willie's shameful performance at the Emanuel,
I called and posted my contacts at C-Span comments. I also for he sake of fairness , gave you the phone number of C-Span so you can call and validate your claims and debunk me. You did not , you did not dare to do that even for yourself. Bitch.

not any evidence of any South African appearances or any Euro tour in 2010.
I am still waiting to agree to my challenge bitch, go ahead , make my day.

 
At 15 January, 2011 07:50, Blogger sabba said...

@Brian Good frm Palo alto california aka- Snug.bug, Punsuxtawneybarney, "A storm is coming", Petgoat, Contrivance, Truetruther, etc, etc.

Can you tell us why were you kicked from the 9/11truth Australian forum?

Can you tell us why you were kicked out from the San Francisco 9/11 truth forum?

Can you tell us why you were kicked out from the Richard Gage organization?

Is it true you used his organization computers to spread your hate e-mails against William Rodriguez, Kevin Barrett, Carol Broulliett and David Ray Griffin?

I have more questions after you answer this ones, bitch.

 
At 15 January, 2011 12:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

Let's see, Sappo. I point out that William Rodriguez is a liar and a fraud who has done enormous damage to the 9/11 Truth movement, you defend him and go an a personal attack rampage--and I am Willie's whore? What's the logic in that?

The Youtube videos of the Jersey City event show that it was very poorly attended. Go to the Youtube channel of "ugie1028" and see.

You have provided no evidence for your claims of a WR South Africa tour or of your claim that the there have been 9/11 programs on C-Span after Willie disgraced himself and made a fool of the 9/11 Truth Movement in his August 2007 brag-fest in the Emanuel church.

 
At 15 January, 2011 12:51, Blogger sabba said...

snug.bug said...
...and I am Willie's whore? What's the logic in that?
Exactly.
bitch

 
At 15 January, 2011 13:38, Blogger snug.bug said...

How's the weather in Jersey City, butch?

 
At 15 January, 2011 14:35, Blogger sabba said...

don't know bitch, I am in Tucson, but how is the weather in Palo alto california? bitch?

 
At 15 January, 2011 14:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

Freezing rain.

 
At 15 January, 2011 15:16, Blogger sabba said...

willie's bitch- snug.bug said...

"Freezing rain."
There you go lying like always. Here from the weather channel:
Weather for Palo alto California:
68.7 °F
Partly Cloudy

 
At 15 January, 2011 15:20, Blogger sabba said...

ok I guess the weather channel must be in a cospiracy using Haarp. correct Brian lying scumbag?

 
At 15 January, 2011 17:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

Don't know. Why was Willie hiding in a 115-story closet for all those years instead of pursung a career in sales?

 
At 15 January, 2011 18:48, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch, Brian Good from Palo alto California-snug.bug said...

"Don't know. Why was Willie hiding in a 115-story closet for all those years instead of pursung a career in sales? Hmmm, maybe the same reason you are hiding in your parents apartment?

"Don't know. Why was Willie hiding in a 115-story closet for all those years instead of pursung a career in sales?

apparently he did after 9/11 and making a living out of it, and is killing you of jealously. Bitch

go masturbate with his picture and stop babbling about your obsession. You are still a potential terrorist Brian Good.

 
At 16 January, 2011 10:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 16 January, 2011 10:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I'm not hiding anywhere.

So you're suggesting that Willie was hiding in a stairwell through the Clinton prosperity because by doing so he was trying to keep his country from going off a cliff? That's an interesting theory. Say, what's your take on the Pentagon? Was it a Global Hawk or a missile?

Willie making a living as a con artist from 9/11 doesn't make me jealous, butch. It makes me angry.
It makes me disgusted. It makes me very disappointed in the truthers who were naive enough to fall for his nonsense, and even more so in the ones who have known for years that he's a liar but are afraid to say so.

 
At 16 January, 2011 11:56, Blogger sabba said...

Wikllie's gay admirer and bitch, Brian Good from Palo alto California AKA snug.bug said...said:
Sabba, I'm not hiding anywhere.
yes you are, in your mother's apartment in Palo alto California.

So you're suggesting that Willie was hiding in a stairwell through the Clinton prosperity because by doing so he was trying to keep his country from going off a cliff? What? you are a fucking moron or what?
You said it here:
snug.bug said...

Don't know. Why was Willie hiding in a 115-story closet for all those years instead of pursung a career in sales?

15 January, 2011 17:54

Are you that forgetful bitch?

Willie making a living as a con artist from 9/11 doesn't make me jealous, butch. It makes me angry.
It makes me disgusted.

AHH so you are accepting he is indeed making a living! Some progress here from your earlier statement that he couldn't. Bitch

 
At 16 January, 2011 13:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, you're cognitively dysfunctional, or you're pretending you are so you can scramble the issues so nothing makes any sense. "Playing Dumb" is a basic disinfo technique well known to many of the habitues of this board.

I didn't say Willie couldn't make a living. He claimed in his federal lawsuit that he couldn't make a living--because he couldn't find another 115-story stairwell to clean.

I'm not hiding anywhere. If Willie or Craig or Carol or Rob or Kevin have a problem with me, they know where to find me.

You haven't answered the question: Why was Willie spending the Clinton prosperity hiding in a stairwell?

What is your evidence of your claims about Willie's tour in South Africa and his Euro tour in 2010?

 
At 16 January, 2011 14:18, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch, BrianGood-snug.bug said...

Sappo, you're cognitively dysfunctional, or you're pretending you are so you can scramble the issues so nothing makes any sense. "Playing Dumb" is a basic disinfo technique well known to many of the habitues of this board. Last we all checked in this blog, the only one playing dumb and evading questions is you. How about answering my previous questions still pending bitch?

I didn't say Willie couldn't make a living. Yes you did
He claimed in his federal lawsuit that he couldn't make a living--because he couldn't find another 115-story stairwell to clean.
2005? who cares.
Also, can you provide a link that states this statement of yours?
"because he couldn't find another 115-story stairwell to clean." I cannot find it in his lawsuit.

I'm not hiding anywhere. If Willie or Craig or Carol or Rob or Kevin have a problem with me, they know where to find me. That is exactly what you want, that they establish a contact with a stalker to satisfy your kinks.

You haven't answered the question: Why was Willie spending the Clinton prosperity hiding in a stairwell?
I did answer with a question. How do you know he was "hiding"? link please.

What is your evidence of your claims about Willie's tour in South Africa and his Euro tour in 2010?

I am ready when you are bitch, just accept the challenge I posted before and we are game. Cappecce? bitch.

Have you called C-Span yet?

Is your father still playing piano?

 
At 16 January, 2011 14:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, the lawsuit claims that Willie lost his livelihood. He was a janitor. He could get another job.

Why won't you back up your claims about Willie's tour in South Africa and his Euro tour in 2010? Because you can't?

Your tactics are transparent. Always have been.

 
At 16 January, 2011 16:51, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's whore, Brian Good-says...
"Sappo, the lawsuit claims that Willie lost his livelihood. He was a janitor. He could get another job.
NOt so fast liar. Playing with semantics? you said and I repeat:
He claimed in his federal lawsuit that he couldn't make a living--(and then you added)

because he couldn't find another 115-story stairwell to clean.

Can you provide proof of your statement I cannot find it in the lawsuit.

Why won't you back up your claims about Willie's tour in South Africa and his Euro tour in 2010? Because you can't?
Are you going to answer my questions and accept my challenge bitch? why don't you call me on it? since you are so sure about yourself, we are all waiting and I am ready.

Your tactics are transparent. Always have been.
So you will not have any trouble facing the demands to expose my tactics, correct? we are all waiting. Bitch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 17:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

I am calling you on it. You claimed that Willie had 50,000 fans in South Africa and had a Euro Tour in 2010. There's no evidence for either of those anywhere.

If Willie's touring Europe, how come wroudy is reduced to posting old tango videos?

 
At 16 January, 2011 17:34, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's gay whore Brian Good says:
I am calling you on it. You claimed that Willie had 50,000 fans in South Africa and had a Euro Tour in 2010. There's no evidence for either of those anywhere.
What are you afraid off pussy? I am ready , just agree to the challenge.

If Willie's touring Europe, how come wroudy is reduced to posting old tango videos? Touring or toured, I do not have the answer of why he will not post stuff and do not really care. I care more about your obsession and clear lies about yourself and enjoy to see you turn it and twist it back to me and avoid the challenges and the questions, in the words of IAN G, "Squirm , squirm , squirm! Bitch!

Did you call C-Span Yet?

 
At 16 January, 2011 17:47, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, your tactic of responding with a goofy challenge to a simple request that you back up your claims is silly.

If you can't back up your claims, don't make them. OK?

 
At 16 January, 2011 17:51, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's Gay bitch, Brian Good -snug.bug said...

Sappo, your tactic of responding with a goofy challenge to a simple request that you back up your claims is silly.

If you can't back up your claims, don't make them. OK?

Afraid to accept the challenge?
bitch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 17:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

I don't even remember what the challenge is. There's no reason for any challenge.

You claimed that Willie had 50,000 fans in South Africa, and that he had a Euro tour in 2010. There is no evidence to support these claims. You are trying to cover over your refusal to provide evidence with some kind of a phony challenge.

 
At 16 January, 2011 18:35, Blogger sabba said...

I don't even remember what the challenge is. There's no reason for any challenge.

You claimed that Willie had 50,000 fans in South Africa, and that he had a Euro tour in 2010. There is no evidence to support these claims. You are trying to cover over your refusal to provide evidence with some kind of a phony challenge.

You forgot? GO back and read again, otherwise I will remind you if you need help and I will also repost all the questions. Bitch

 
At 16 January, 2011 18:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you still can't support your claims. Why am I not surprised.

 
At 16 January, 2011 18:45, Blogger sabba said...

To Willie's bitch, Brian Good.

Tell me if I am correct Brian:

You claimed here that IAN G was a liar for telling you that you were kicked out from your own groups correct?

Did you or did you not claimed that you have never stalked , harassed or attempted to break Carol Brouillets Marriage. Correct?

Did you or did you not claimed that Rodriguez hasn't got a gig since 2009, jersey city event. Correct?

Did you or did you not claimed here that Rodriguez was hiding in stairwell for years. Correct?

Did you or did you not claimed here that Rodriguez damaged the C-Span relationship with the truther movement. Correct?

Did you or did you not were banned from SF9/11 Truth Forum and meetings?

Did you or did you not were banned from the Australian 9/11OZ group?

Did you or did you not denied being "petgoat" "Puntusaxneybarney" " Contrivance" "Truetruther" "A Storm is coming" among other ID's?

Did you or did you not call Rodriguez a Latin hunk?

 
At 16 January, 2011 19:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

Still can't support your claims, eh?

You're pathetic.

 
At 16 January, 2011 19:15, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's Gay Bitch Brian Good- snug.bug said...

Still can't support your claims, eh?

You're pathetic.

I can, can you support yours?
How about starting to answer those questions, just for the record. Or should I continue data mining your lies?

Why Carol's husband does not speaks with you?

Did you call C-Span yet?

did you find the challenge yet?

 
At 16 January, 2011 19:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

You keep claiming you can support your claims, but you don't do it.

It's kind of like Willie claiming he's married and has a kid, but he never shows us any pictures. Funny that.

 
At 16 January, 2011 19:59, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Gay bitch Brian Good snug.bug said...

You keep claiming you can support your claims, but you don't do it.
you still pussy footing around the challenge bitch. I am ready, are you?

It's kind of like Willie claiming he's married and has a kid, but he never shows us any pictures. Funny that. Uh? now you are getting creepy again. Who fucking cares about that but a gay stalker?
a hint gay stalker, he has 2 kids , not one. Is all on his Social Network Page, pictures and all. I guess you cannot be his friend because that entitles for you to identify yourself as Brian Good since you don't LIE, correct? Get help stalker, Get help. No wonder WR do not even acknowledges this asshole, as a potential terrorist he can attack his wife and kids! You are a potential criminal Brian and everybody sees your obsession very clear. Bitch!

16 January, 2011 19:50

 
At 16 January, 2011 20:02, Blogger sabba said...

I wonder if Carol is thinking about the same thing? maybe she is concerned about her kids and husband? Brian may blow a fuse anytime! Get HELP! bitch!

Did you call C-Span yet?

 
At 16 January, 2011 20:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

Hmmm, still can't support your claims?

Where's the evidence of Willie's marriage and kids? "Social network page", what's that?

 
At 16 January, 2011 20:17, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Gay Bitch brian Good -snug.bug said...

"Hmmm, still can't support your claims?
Are you ready to answer my questions and agree to the challenge? If you agree , I will provide the answers. Bitch.

Where's the evidence of Willie's marriage and kids? "Social network page", what's that?

You really don't know shit, don't you.
We do not care about his private family life, but the pictures are there and I do not even care to bother to direct you on that direction, that is out of my boundaries. I do not want to be accused of helping a stalker like you track down and kill his family in a jealous rage by you!

Social network? what world are you living in? bitch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh, you still can't provide any evidence to back up your claims.

And you've got no evidence of Willie's claims that he has a wife and kids.

Thanks for making that clear.

Note I did not claim that Willie does not have a wife and kids. I said the evidence I've seen is not convincing.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:34, Blogger sabba said...

snug.bug said...

Willie's Gay bitch, Brian Good says...
Oh, you still can't provide any evidence to back up your claims.
Are you still afraid to accept my challenge?
Are you still avoiding the questions?
Are you still willing to obviate the fact that you are a liar?

And you've got no evidence of Willie's claims that he has a wife and kids.

Really? who fucking cares about that part of his life, but a stalker and potential criminal like you?


Thanks for making that clear.
Making what clear? you do not even make sense.

Note I did not claim that Willie does not have a wife and kids. I said the evidence I've seen is not convincing.
and you want evidence on how long his penis is also?

cherry picking? then again you have not cherry.

Show us convincing evidence you are not a stalker. Bitch

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:39, Blogger sabba said...

Brian, show is evidence you were not kicked from SF9/11 truth group.

Show us evidence you were not banned from Australia 9/11 truth group.

Show us evidence that Carol lied about you.

Show us evidence that Barrett and WR lied about you.

Show us evidence you never stalked anybody.
Show us evidence that WR did not have any work since 2009.
Show us evidence that you call C-Span to validate your claims.
Show us evidence that you will debate WR face to face.
BiTCH.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:40, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you still can't provide evidence for your claims.

Your belligerence discredits your case.

I just stand back and let them self destruct!

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:44, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Gay Bitch -snug.bug said...

So you still can't provide evidence for your claims.
Are you afraid to commit to the challenge?

"Your belligerence discredits your case."
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your idiocy and dodging of questions destroyed you long time ago.

I just stand back and let them self destruct!
Nope, never happens. you just st back and cowardly avoid the questions and the challenge. Bitch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:47, Blogger snug.bug said...

I'm not afraid. There's no reason to. You make claims, you can't back them up.

You said Willie had 50,000 fans in South Africa, and you claimed he did a Euro tour in 2010. You have provided no evidence for these claims.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:48, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch snug.bug said...

I don't even remember what the challenge is. There's no reason for any challenge.
you are such a coward BG. Squeal , squeal , squeal! Bitch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

Still can't back up your claims, eh?

Poor baby.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:58, Blogger sabba said...

I can , can you?
BItch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 22:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

If you can, why don't you?

 
At 16 January, 2011 22:28, Blogger sabba said...

Ok Brian, I invited IAN to be the referee since we have an impasse on your idiotic stance. If you prefer somebody else to mediate let me know. Bitch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 22:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

Who needs mediation? You can't back up your claims. You invoke challenges and mediation.

How about you back up your claims?

 
At 16 January, 2011 22:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo,for something like three years I have suggested that Willie and I hash out our differences on Carol Brouillet's radio show. Willie has never responded to that offer.

 
At 16 January, 2011 22:59, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's gay whore Brian Good -snug.bug said...

Sappo,for something like three years I have suggested that Willie and I hash out our differences on Carol Brouillet's radio show. Willie has never responded to that offer. HAAAAAAAAA I you want us to believe that? please provide a copy of your invitation or a link to the offer.
Nobody will believe you on that one!
Not even Carol! Bitch!

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:00, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's bitch Brian Good -snug.bug said...

Who needs mediation? You can't back up your claims. You invoke challenges and mediation.

How about you back up your claims?

uh, afraid?
Bitch

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

Still can't back up your claims I see.

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:08, Blogger sabba said...

...can't answer my questions, isn't


bitch

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:12, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch says...

Sappo,for something like three years I have suggested that Willie and I hash out our differences on Carol Brouillet's radio show. Willie has never responded to that offer. Can you backup this claim by you? I cannot find anything on the Internet about this offer. Therefore it must be a lie also (using your standards).

Bitch.

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

That I choose not to answer your questions doesn't mean I can't.

You claimed Willie Rodriguez had a Euro tour in 2010 and had 50,000 fans in South Africa. You can not back up these claims.

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:14, Blogger sabba said...

That I choose not to answer your questions doesn't mean I can't.

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:16, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch says:
Sappo,for something like three years I have suggested that Willie and I hash out our differences on Carol Brouillet's radio show. Willie has never responded to that offer.

Can you backup this claim by you? I cannot find anything on the Internet about this offer. Therefore it must be a lie also (using your standards).

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

You claim Willie had a public 2010 tour.

I claim that I made a private offer of a internet radio discussion.

For you to try to claim that these two claims should show an equal internet footprint is absurd.

You have provided no evidence of Willie's 50,000 South African fans, or of his 2010 Euro tour. The more that you try to pretend that these things happened, the more you discredit Willie.

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:27, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Gay bitch Brian Good snug.bug said...

You claim Willie had a public 2010 tour. I do not claim that, I mentioned and clarify what is aid in Newspaper and indeed that he was busy instead of your lies that he did not have any gigs since 2009.

I claim that I made a private offer of a internet radio discussion.
you fucking liar, you never said anything "private" but when confronted to produce a link or an invitation you were caught in the lie and could not get out of it.
So iif it was "private" and you do not talk to Willie, and Carol does not talks to you, then who did you invited in "private"?

The more that you try to pretend that these things happened, the more you discredit Willie.
Brian, nobody cares about WR but you. Is your lies what we care about here. Your twisting of the reality. your obsessions and your potential criminal activity.

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:29, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch says:
Sappo,for something like three years I have suggested that Willie and I hash out our differences on Carol Brouillet's radio show. Willie has never responded to that offer.

Can you backup this claim by you? I cannot find anything on the Internet about this offer. Therefore it must be a lie also (using your standards). Adding to that, how about a copy of a private e-mail, or anybody of the 3 party talk to validate you? BItch

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:30, Blogger staff said...

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At 16 January, 2011 23:31, Blogger staff said...

1. All modern Boeing aircraft use actuators that trigger explosive charges to disconnect and clear away exit doors. Electronic circuits are routed to the cockpit for pilot control, unlike older fly-by-wire tech.

2. Boeing executive management publicly acknowledged that they have included "uninterruptable autopilot" in many aircraft over the past 15 years. These systems remove control from the pilot and grant it to ground-based remote systems. Control cannot be given back to the pilots.

3. Raytheon produces the digital gyroscope chipset used by Boeing for these "security" systems. Boeing states that the purpose is primarily to re-hijack a plane once a hijacking has taken place.

4. A French firm provides many Boeing aircraft with a product called Smacsonic. The product is composed of very thin outer sheets of aluminum compressed over a core of proprietary polymer. The material is used in construction of the plane's fuselage and as a platform for air-conditioning systems in the lower deck, beneath the passenger compartment. It provides a great reduction in vibration and noise.

5. Tests of the Smacsonic material have demonstrated an incredible potential for thermitic reactions in excess of 4,000 degrees. If contact is made between the polymer core and a high-temp ignition source, the entirety of the material is transformed in a thermitic reaction which produces extreme heat and rocket-like propulsion.

6. The defense industry supplier, Advanced Systems Corp., developed in the '90s a product line called simply, Flight Termination System. The system is used to create crash and ‘plane-as-weapon’ scenarios using real aircraft. The system involves both transmit and receive equipment to facilitate remote control of the aircraft.

7. Usama Bin Laden, in late Sept. of 2001 produced a video message regarding the 9/11 events. The setting was outside during the day, against a mountainous rock face. He wore a green camouflage jacket and wielded a hand-held microphone. The video was released by Al Jazeera to the media and particularly CNN, which aired it with accompanying translation. In it, Usama renounces the attacks and offers condolences to the family members of victims. He states that he had no prior knowledge of the attacks and wasn't aware of who committed them. He explains that it is forbidden by his religion to kill innocent women and children, even on the battlefield. Of the subsequent videos purportedly of Bin Laden, none are as clear and high resolution as this video.

Continued...

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:32, Blogger staff said...

5. Tests of the Smacsonic material have demonstrated an incredible potential for thermitic reactions in excess of 4,000 degrees. If contact is made between the polymer core and a high-temp ignition source, the entirety of the material is transformed in a thermitic reaction which produces extreme heat and rocket-like propulsion.

6. The defense industry supplier, Advanced Systems Corp., developed in the '90s a product line called simply, Flight Termination System. The system is used to create crash and ‘plane-as-weapon’ scenarios using real aircraft. The system involves both transmit and receive equipment to facilitate remote control of the aircraft.

7. Usama Bin Laden, in late Sept. of 2001 produced a video message regarding the 9/11 events. The setting was outside during the day, against a mountainous rock face. He wore a green camouflage jacket and wielded a hand-held microphone. The video was released by Al Jazeera to the media and particularly CNN, which aired it with accompanying translation. In it, Usama renounces the attacks and offers condolences to the family members of victims. He states that he had no prior knowledge of the attacks and wasn't aware of who committed them. He explains that it is forbidden by his religion to kill innocent women and children, even on the battlefield. Of the subsequent videos purportedly of Bin Laden, none are as clear and high resolution as this video.

8. In late December, 2001 it was reported by numerous high-ranking officials from various US agencies and Military departments as well as by FBI translator Sibel Edmonds that Usama was being treated for an undisclosed medical condition at American Hospital in Dubai. Marine and Special Forces troops had formed a perimeter around the hospital as his condition began to worsen. It was reported that Usama Bin Laden died from complications relating to his condition despite receiving the best care available. His death was witnessed by both naval intelligence personnel and CIA agents.

Continued...

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:33, Blogger staff said...

9. After a major shift of management at Popular Mechanics in the months preceding the article and subsequent book de-bunking 9/11 conspiracies, both executive editor and author of the article appear on the Charles Gouette radio program. During the interview, the 2 men disclose that they were shown photos of building 7 by the FBI and NIST that the 9/11 Commission was not shown. Additionally, they also claim to have investigated DNA evidence that links the hijackers to the scene. When asked how they were able to compare the given DNA data to that of the hijackers despite not even being sure of their identities, they were silent.

10. The Pentagon is home to a vast array of ground-to-air defense systems, primarily made up of guided missiles and artillery. However, some evidence suggests the presence of skyward nuclear shields that deploy and spread to form a wide blast plane, similar to an advanced system on some naval ships. These systems were said to have been thwarted by the approaching plane's designation. All domestic airline flights are designated "friendly."

11. Three of the 19 reported hijackers had, in the months leading up to 9/11 lived or claimed to be living at the Pensacola Naval Air base. Although their residence has yet to be confirmed, the address used by 2 of the men to receive their drivers’ licenses by mail was within the confines of the base. Somehow, they were able to receive mail on the base; mail that included vehicle registration papers for a late model Buick. Although unconfirmed, one of the pilot instructors employed at the base shares a last name with 2 of the men and is suspected of being related to them.

12. Unprecedented stock trading on United and American airlines was reported in the week prior to 9/11 up to 9/10. Despite claiming to the 9/11 commission to have tracked down the origination of the trades to a single independent investor said to have no connection to Al Qaeda, a later FOIA request was responded to with the claim that the documentation of the trades had been destroyed.

Continued...

 
At 16 January, 2011 23:34, Blogger staff said...

13. Two employees of the NY State emergency management offices in building 7 reported numerous explosions in building 7 before either building 1 or 2 had collapsed. Barry Jennings, who was Deputy Director at the facility reported arriving at work only to find the offices empty and attempted to leave after only a few minutes. While he, another gentleman and an FDNY firefighter were descending the stairs an explosion rocked the stairway just below them and left Barry hanging on to the railing so as not to fall into the hole created by the explosion. After walking the length of the building to the opposite stairway during which time other explosions were reported, they found the stairwell impassable. They were able to exit the building after a firefighter punched through a wall with his ax.

14. A DC commuter who wishes to remain anonymous and whose commute happened to pass by the Pentagon. On September 11, 2001 the commuter glimpsed something unusual. Although still dark in the early morning hours, they saw what appeared to be a light pole laying in one of the road-side, grassy medians. It wasn't until after they witnessed footage and learned of the "downed light poles" that they began to think maybe the pole(s) had been downed much earlier than the Pentagon strike.

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At 16 January, 2011 23:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

OK, point 14 is of some interest to me. Do you have any actual evidence to support this claim, or is it as empty as the claims of Willie Rodriguez that he rescued 15 and saved hundreds?

 
At 17 January, 2011 00:16, Blogger staff said...

Since the source wants to stay private (can't really blame them), it's just for consideration. I'm following the research of Field McConnell and David Hawkins. Field was 20 years a commercial pilot, and his sister is somehow involved. They are estranged. David is a forensic economist and brilliant. Together, they have authored chapter after chapter of cryptic timeline, identifying the actual criminals along the way.

They are firm on about 35% of what they put forward, the remaining being speculation.

If you haven't seen their research, it's a real head change. They claim that 9/11 was essentially the world's biggest snuff film.

But, I have found nothing but questions when following official accounts. I don't know how they do it but it's just a few people making this whole thing happen.

 
At 17 January, 2011 00:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

Have you ever considered the fact that there is no place for a flyaway plane to go where it wold not be observed?

 
At 17 January, 2011 00:23, Blogger paul w said...

1. In 1999, G.W.Bush was recorded at at meeting of the Bilderberg group saying that "tea will be the major drink of the new century."

2. The European teapot manufacturer, Gruben-Damsk, is 51% owned by the Bush family.

3. There is no website, or telephone number, for Gruben-Damsk.

4. Google allows the CIA to automatically disrupt any search for the name 'Gruben-Damsk.

5. The remaining 49% of Gruben-Damsk is owned by Pfizer.

6. In 2000, Pfizer created a minor diplomatic scandal when it allowed the Israeli government to buy part of its R&D department. None of this was reported by the mainstream media, or even the business press.

7. Tests by scientists have found that Gruben-Damsk tea, when given to reptiles, causes them to survive certain diseases, but especially anthrax.

8. Some scientists believe that if anthrax was spread throughout the population via a ‘terrorist’ attack, those children with the strongest reptilian genes will be the only survivors.

9. The EEC has formulated plans to make drinking ‘tea’ compulsory for all pre-school and kindergarten children by 2017.

 
At 17 January, 2011 00:29, Blogger paul w said...

Since the source wants to stay private (can't really blame them), it's just for consideration.
I'm following the research of Stephen Risk and Jose Rickenbottom.
Risk was 20 years a scientists with Mossad, and his sister is somehow involved. They are estranged.
David is a forensic scientist and brilliant. Together, they have authored chapter after chapter of cryptic timeline, identifying the actual criminals along the way.

They are firm on about 35% of what they put forward, the remaining being speculation.

If you haven't seen their research, it's a real head change.

They claim that Dilmah tea is essentially the world's biggest 'tea' company, being in McDonalds and such, but allow Gruben-Damsk (who do all their R&D) to take the heat.

But, I have found nothing but questions when following official accounts.

I don't know how they do it but it's just a few people making this whole thing happen.

Yes, it's 'they' are making it all happen.

 
At 17 January, 2011 00:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

wow that seems like a whole lot of effort put forth to no imaginable purpose other than to discredit paul w.

 
At 17 January, 2011 00:42, Blogger paul w said...

Brian is in his element here, eh?

So many people to talk to, so many comments to make, so much fantasy to thrill over; I learned Newtons Law as a child, I broke concrete for years, I did this, I did that.

The moment you put down a post, there he is.

It's like watching a kitten playing with five bits of string. Oh, that one moved...pounce...oh, now that...pounce...oh, that....pounce.

Except, a kitten is cute.

 
At 17 January, 2011 00:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

see what I mean?

 
At 17 January, 2011 01:10, Blogger paul w said...

See what I mean?

 
At 17 January, 2011 03:53, Blogger staff said...

I'm trying to make heads or tails of your last few comments, but suffice it to say that a kind of ritual cheekiness has become the method of response to new folks posting here these days.

That's not a criticism, really. It makes sense given the divisive subject matter. I still see a thoughtful exchange here and there.

My strategy for figuring out what happened on 9/11 is to avoid theorizing and listening to experts. Once I stepped up to question the bureaucrats, it seemed like 75% of them were impostors. These are the guys we're used to believing.

I believe that consp*** theo*** was a phrase popularized by propagandists to shift the focus away from the crimes and over to
an unshakable label that has others thinking your ideas are those of a boy. I would avoid this phrase entirely. Otherwise, the logical retort will be "propagandist."

That said, I too am disappointed with the broken theories advertised by elements of 9/11 truth. But, I have luck at helping them improve by speaking only of the facts, or at least in factual terms. So, it's not good if I exclaim..."that's true." Better if I say..."I agree."

This is a hell of a blog. I hope to dig in more and see what the tone is. I don't get slammed so much, but I am curious how much slamming their is in total. It would be great to use the power of blogging as a means to refine the data rather than as a chest-thumping exercise.

 
At 17 January, 2011 10:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

In other words, you don't have any actual evidence for point 14, and you have not considered the fact that there's no place for a flyover plane to go.

 
At 17 January, 2011 10:49, Blogger Ian G. said...

In other words, you don't have any actual evidence for point 14, and you have not considered the fact that there's no place for a flyover plane to go.

Don't you love it when Brian points out the obvious holes in the flyover "theory" and then turns around and starts babbling about remote-control planes, magic spray-on thermite, and smoldering carpets?

 
At 17 January, 2011 10:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, my offer to debate Willie on Carol Brouillet's radio show was IIRC made in an email exchange. Willie's address wtcbill@something is well known. There was a time when Willie was afraid to read my emails, so maybe he never read the offer.

 
At 17 January, 2011 14:33, Blogger paul w said...

"a kind of ritual cheekiness has become the method of response to new folks posting here these days."

What did you expect after posting that pile of manure?

"My strategy for figuring out what happened on 9/11 is to avoid theorizing and listening to experts."

Good! Here they are. Listen to them, then get back to me:

http://www.911myths.com/

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

http://wtc.nist.gov/

 
At 17 January, 2011 14:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

9/11 myths? It's puerile and dumb, not much smarter than Ian.

 
At 17 January, 2011 15:17, Blogger paul w said...

See what I mean?

 
At 17 January, 2011 19:26, Blogger Ian G. said...

9/11 myths? It's puerile and dumb, not much smarter than Ian.

It amuses me to be called dumb by a deranged glue-sniffing liar. It's obvious I bother Brian a lot with my posts.

 
At 18 January, 2011 10:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

"Annoy" more precisely expresses it than "bother".

You're bothersome like an 8-year old girl telling the same stupid jokes again and again.

 
At 19 January, 2011 10:58, Blogger staff said...

@snug.bug

I don't know why you would associate me with a flyover plane issue. I didn't post any related information.

And, I did state that point 14 was ancillary and unconfirmed.

Did you have any other comments after considering the points I presented?

 
At 19 January, 2011 11:06, Blogger staff said...

@paul w

"Good! Here they are. Listen to them, then get back to me:"

I wasn't very clear in my post. What I meant is that I DON'T listen to experts. You were likely pointing me in the direction of "experts" in 9/11 debunking.

Additionally, I stated that I don't engage in theorizing. The sites you referred me to offer some theories as well, to which I wouldn't care to comment.

Rest assured that the real force behind exposing the actual crimes surrounding 9/11 work independently, in the courts and mostly unseen. Once one corrupt institution involved feels jealous of another's rewards and sees evidence of their being duped (of course they knew all along) entered into the court record, they will file a suit in response.

In other words, the criminal groups themselves will expose their crimes in the court record and bring upon their own demise.

 

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