Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Lawyers for 9/11 Tru... Oh look, a Squirrel!

I have been following the April Gallop lawsuit comedy for quite a while now, and thought it had died out, but it turns out one of the lawyers involved filed another appeal of his fines, along with a pseudo-apology. It would help his case though if he could keep a consistent train of thought for more than a few pages.

From page 6 of his response:


FAA flight controllers in Boston and elsewhere gave timely notice to military authorities that the four airliners were out of contact and possibly hijacked.According to normal protocol and practice USAF-NORAD jets would have been readily able to intercept all four planes, but launchings were inexplicably delayed and misdirected, and three of the planes got through to their targets.


OK, well three of the planes hit their targets, presumably the two which hit the World Trade Center and the one that hit the Pentagon, the fourth crashing in a field in Pennsylvania. Unfortunately for the lawyer Dennis Cunningham, later in the paper... OK, well the VERY NEXT PAGE, page 7, he writes:


The evidence of one's own eyes also proves that no airliner crashed into the Pentagon, as claimed by authorities (and conspirators) in the aftermath of the bombing in which the plaintiff and her childwere injured. In view of the plain evidence, photographic and physical, and the telling, wholly implausible lack of such evidence supporting the official version,the withholding of 85 Pentagon surveillance videotapes, and the first-hand testimony of the plaintiff and numerous others, the claim that no airliner hit is certainly far from conclusory. It is entitled to be taken as true.


How hard is it to keep a consistent narrative for 4 paragraphs? Geez, hire a secretary or something.

Once again a hat tip to LashL, the Goddess of Legaltainment.

168 Comments:

At 14 December, 2011 10:35, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Duh everyone knows no plane hit the Pentagon, adn this plane flew north of Citgo. We know this because witnesses who saw the plane didn't hit the Pentagon said it did. Don;t even get me started on the flight data recorder.

 
At 14 December, 2011 11:36, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

You mean like blaming the melted iron on cutting torches, and then blaming it on Fly Ash, despite no evidence that it came from either? What does your 'consistent narrative' say about this, James? Do you think people who don't think it was torches have to be retarded, like Pat does?

You're the one who said "we have all the forensic evidence" on the radio, remember James? Are you going to be a coward about this again?

 
At 14 December, 2011 11:45, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Maybe its sort of like claiming to be a family member.

 
At 14 December, 2011 11:48, Blogger Pat said...

Oh, look, a microsphere!

Way to illustrate James' point.

 
At 14 December, 2011 11:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 14 December, 2011 12:03, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

No plane hit the Pentagon? But yet there's thousands of plane parts that have American Airlines ID part numbers on them.

Sounds like April Gallop is trying to blackmail the U.S. Government.

 
At 14 December, 2011 12:05, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

I see iron rich microspheres all over the place all day every day traveling down the road. Oh wait, that's not super duper nano-thermite, that's fucking RUST on alot of cars and pickups.

 
At 14 December, 2011 12:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Trying to hijack another thread, ArseHooligan?

A thermic lance does produce iron-rich microspheres.

FACT: Thermic lances were used by the clean up workers to remove the columns from the pile, as the following photo proves beyond a doubt.

There's no evidence for fly ash?

Really No kidding?

That's not what the RJ Lee Report tells us--and I quote:

"...The conflagration activated processes that caused materials to form into spherical particles such as metals (e.g., Fe, Zn, Pb) and spherical or vesicular silicates or fly ash."

RJ Lee Report, Page 16

And you claim to have read the RJ Lee Report? You could have fooled me, ArseHooligan.

Now, get the Hell out of here--you thread hijacking liar.

 
At 14 December, 2011 12:18, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Oh, look, a microsphere! -Pat Coward

Oh look, evidence that I have no clever answer for! Evidence that I deliberately lied about, and didn't even retract! Such is my interest in the events of 9/11, that I like to lie about it, instead of doing honest research! Take that, victims!
-Pat Candid

 
At 14 December, 2011 12:20, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Oh, and Pat, try not to answer James' questions for him. I know you don't like to miss an opportunity to lie, but at least let him do it once in awhile, especially on his own post, for Chrissakes. There will be plenty of chances for you to act like a coward in future threads, so sit tight, Fatty Oldtits.

 
At 14 December, 2011 12:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

ArseHooligan,

Is it any wonder that you never hesitate to speak your diseased mind?

After all, you have nothing to lose.

 
At 14 December, 2011 12:42, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Cowardly, what did I say about stalking and harassing people on here?

You've had your fun but seriously you're running out of time. I've reporte you in to the proper authorities and they are investigating you as we speak.

So, stop what you're doing and get off of here, otherwise spend 7 years in a Federal Pen for internet terrorism.

 
At 14 December, 2011 13:21, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

So, stop what you're doing and get off of here, otherwise spend 7 years in a Federal Pen for internet terrorism.

I doubt the Feds would have jurisdiction over Cowardly. There's something weird about his syntax... South African, maybe Irish. Definitely not proper American English.

 
At 14 December, 2011 13:43, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Actually it's a crime to come online and terrorize anyone over the internet.

But Cowardly doesn't want to understand. The only way to make him understand is to send him to prison. Then he'll wake up and find Bubba licking his ear as he sleeps.

 
At 14 December, 2011 14:43, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Oh look! Pat hasn't debunked anything! Again!

Oh look! James shuts the fuck up and can't answer simple questions. Is he giggling about victims again?

but SLC is a debunking site! no really!

 
At 14 December, 2011 14:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

ArseHooligan,

Why should Pat or James debunk anything that's written by an Internet troll who specializes in thread hijacking?

After all, I've already debunked your idiotic microspheres malarkey.

So what should Pat and James do about your bad behavior?

The answer is simple: [1] Ban your sorry ass; or [2] delete your comments.

Take your pick, nut bag.

 
At 14 December, 2011 15:05, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Then surely Pat and James could point to the EXACT GoiterBulge posts where the microspheres were 'debunked', right?

Have at it, P&J. Surely you respect GB's research, don't you? Which of his posts do you agree most with? Don't be shy.


...except you'll both shut the fuck up again, and leave GB swinging like his bitchtits. Now THAT's debunking!

What a great, informative site you're running!

 
At 14 December, 2011 15:11, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Then surely Pat and James could point to the EXACT GoiterBulge posts where the microspheres were 'debunked', right?

Why should I care about the iron microspheres? They're insignificant.

 
At 14 December, 2011 15:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

ArseHooligan,

It's no secret that you're an insane liar and a science illiterate. And we know this is true because it's a huge leap of logic to conclude that the presence of iron-rich and alumino-silicate microsphers at Ground Zero are the product of a "thermitic reaction." But, then again, you couldn't pass a formal examination in elementary logic, so all of this is lost on a fool of your ilk.

In fact, I'm still waiting for you to cite the RJ Lee Report and substantiate your cockamamie theory. Yet, you steadfastly refuse to cite the RJ Lee Report in your defense.

Why is that, ArseHooligan?

I'll tell you why you balk at the chance to defend your position: You have no evidence to cite in your defense. And like the goat fucker, you're an incompetent and a liar who's nuttier than a sack of squirrel shit.

Deal with it, Rube.

 
At 14 December, 2011 15:46, Blogger Pat said...

I think he was dropped on his head as an infant.

 
At 14 December, 2011 15:47, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

It's no secret that you're an insane liar and a science illiterate.

I don't think Truthers generally lie. I think they are generally honest about the world as they perceive it. It's just that their perceptions are false. Truthers tend toward an abnormal psychology which impairs their ability to process facts.

 
At 14 December, 2011 16:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

RGT wrote, "...I don't think Truthers generally lie."

That's your opinion, RGT, and you're entitled to it.

On the other hand, there's one problem: How many times have I asked our resident dissembling troofers to substantiate their nonsense? A hundred? Two hundred?

How many times have it conclusively established the presence of fly ash in the WTC concrete? A hundred? Two hundred?

How many times have I produced direct (and in context) citations from the RJ Lee Report which conclusively establish that the 9/11 "truth movement" is misrepresenting the reports' conclusions? A hundred? Two hundred?

I don't think there's any question that frick and frack are compulsive liars. That said, there's certainly nothing wrong with expressing empathy for the brain damaged. Our resident dissembling troofers, however, stretch the limits of credulity--and have done so on numerous occasions.

Thus, I don't think there's any question that we're dealing with compulsive liars.

 
At 14 December, 2011 16:25, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

On the other hand, there's one problem: How many times have I asked our resident dissembling troofers to substantiate their nonsense? A hundred? Two hundred?

But that's exactly the point, that's how a delusion works. They won't acknowledge better evidence because they psychologically can't.

That said, there's certainly nothing wrong with expressing empathy for the brain damaged.

To an extent, I do feel sorry for Truthers. I feel sorry for any reasonably bright person who pisses their life away in pursuit of a lie. The delusion of 9/11 Truth goes along so often with an arrogance that replaces my empathy with contempt. But that's just me.

 
At 14 December, 2011 16:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

TAW, your belief that little shreds of aluminum fuselage would have id numbers on them is silly.

Your belief that rust forms microspheres is also silly.

You're about as dumb and dishonest as WAQo was--and come to think of it you showed up about when WAQo disappeared.

UtterFail, thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres.

It has never been conclusively established that fly ash was used in the WTC concrete. It has never been shown why, if fly ash was used, the useless weight of the microspheres would be left in the fly ash when the iron was worth more than the fly ash itself, and could easily be extracted through use of a crane-mounted electromagnet such as is used in scrap yards for handling steel.

RJ Lee says that the microspheres in the dust and the fly ash were produced during the event.

You have produced nothing showing that the truth movement has misquoted RJ Lee.

 
At 14 December, 2011 16:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Path wrote, "...I think he was dropped on his head as an infant."

I don't know, Pat.

In my opinion, it's a good thing that his mother dropped him on his head, otherwise he might have been injured.

%^)

 
At 14 December, 2011 17:04, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres."

And that assertion proves nothing, goat fucker. Well, it does prove that you're incapable of passing a formal examination in elementary logic. It also proves that you're not above making huge leaps of logic if to do so will serve your propaganda and bald-faced lies.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...It has never been conclusively established that fly ash was used in the WTC concrete."

Bullshit.

The USGS confirms the presence of iron (Fe) in the WTC concrete dust--and I quote:

"...Particles identifiable as concrete in WTC dust are those constituting the Portland cement component. Portland cement particles will usually have a high Ca peak accompanied by Si and/or Al, Mg, Fe." -- Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust, by Heather A. Lowers and Gregory P. Meeker.

Wikipedia wrote, "...Concrete is a composite construction material, composed of cement (commonly Portland cement) and other cementitious materials such as fly ash and slag cement, aggregate (generally a coarse aggregate made of gravel or crushed rocks such as limestone, or granite, plus a fine aggregate such as sand), water and chemical admixtures." -- Wikipedia, Lightweight Concrete.

"...In the US, fly ash is generally stored at coal power plants or placed in landfills. About 43 percent is recycled, often used to supplement Portland cement in concrete production. " -- Wikipedia, Fly Ash

The goat fucker dissembles, "...RJ Lee says that the microspheres in the dust and the fly ash were produced during the event."

No, that's not what the RJ Lee Report says, goat fucker.

Here's what the RJ Lee Report says,

"...The conflagration activated processes that caused materials to form into spherical particles such as metals (e.g., Fe, Zn, Pb) and spherical or vesicular silicates or fly ash."

RJ Lee Report, Page 16

The conflagration "activated processes"? You mean like the collapse of the WTC towers, which crushed a good portion of the WTC tower's lightweight concrete and, as a result, produced "fine particle dust""

You mean that "process, " goat fucker?

And what's this, goat fucker?

"...The catastrophic structural collapse of the WTC resulted in coarse fragmentation as well as fine particle dust generation including asbestos and various chemicals of concern. The hazardous materials in the dust originated from many common sources." -- The RJ Lee Report, Page 1.

Thus, according to the RJ Lee Report, which you constantly misrepresent, the dust, and the materials found therein, "originated from many common sources." The collapse of the WTC towers produced "coarse fragmentation as well as fine particle dust generation."

Common sources? The collapse was expected to produce "coarse fragmentation as well as fine particle dust generation"?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thus, once again, we can see that you're a liar who misrepresents the contents of the RJ Lee Report.

And, once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 14 December, 2011 18:49, Blogger John said...

Oh look! Pat hasn't debunked anything! Again!

Oh look! Still no new investigation!

 
At 14 December, 2011 20:58, Blogger James B. said...

Geez, moron, you really think I have nothing better to do than sit here and monitor the comments all day so that I can immediately respond to your idiotic questions? My boss doesn't pay me well above minimum wage to surf the net all day.

 
At 14 December, 2011 21:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, learn to read. Your epistle is incoherent techno-babble. The words are there, but they make no sense.

It's like I said "The PhP modalities interface with the Python input iterations to produce a scalable recursive loop which allows real-time repurposing of the fractal link."

I hate to break it to you, but the presence of iron in the dust does not establish that fly ash was used in WTC concrete. You said yourself--there's iron in the cement. It's there whether there's fly ash or not.

RJ Lee says (your quote) "...The conflagration activated processes that caused materials to form into spherical particles such as metals (e.g., Fe, Zn, Pb) and spherical or vesicular silicates or fly ash."

That says the conflagration produced the fly ash and spheres. It doesn't say it liberated pre-existing fly ash and spheres.

Your belief that the fact that the concrete was fragmented proves that the spheres and the fly ash came from concrete is just loony.

John, there have been new investigations. Cole's work with thermite, Chandler's work with velocities and accelerations of collapse, Szamboti's work on the missing jolt, Jones and Harrit's work with the nanothermite chips--these are all new investigations. We need more of them.

 
At 14 December, 2011 21:52, Blogger Ian said...

Hey, after 10 years of utter failure, what's another few posts about magic thermite elves for Brian?

But that's exactly the point, that's how a delusion works. They won't acknowledge better evidence because they psychologically can't.

That could be an explanation for why Brian's lies are so laughably obvious. He seems to have a limited ability to process new information and incorporating new ideas into the framework he has created in his head.

He must be somewhere on the autism spectrum.

 
At 14 December, 2011 21:54, Blogger Ian said...

John, there have been new investigations. Cole's work with thermite, Chandler's work with velocities and accelerations of collapse, Szamboti's work on the missing jolt, Jones and Harrit's work with the nanothermite chips--these are all new investigations. We need more of them.

We mean real investigations by real scientists, Brian.

 
At 14 December, 2011 22:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

You mean real scientists like NIST's Dr. Shyam Sunder, who thinks that tower two fell in 9 seconds and tower one fell in 11 seconds? You mean scientists like NIST's Dr. John Gross who never heard of any reports of molten steel even though Dr. James Glanz reported in the NYT "evaporated" steel and steel that had melted into a stalagmite 3 feet high? That kind of scientist?

 
At 14 December, 2011 23:49, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker disembles, "...[GuitarBill], learn to read."

That's right, goat fucker, pretend that the following quotes from the RJ Lee Report doesn't exist:

"...The catastrophic structural collapse of the WTC resulted in coarse fragmentation as well as fine particle dust generation including asbestos and various chemicals of concern. The hazardous materials in the dust originated from many common sources." -- The RJ Lee Report, Page 1.

So who can't read, Pinocchio?

And what's this, goat fucker?

"...The collapse of a major building can produce significant quantities of dust and debris comprised of the construction materials and the contents of the building. Fires in commercial office buildings can produce combustion products including soot, partially combusted aerosolized particles [ie., iron-rich and alumino-silicate microspheres. - ed] and organic vapors. The amounts and portions of the various products of combustion will depend upon the source materials, the combustion temperatures, the availability of oxygen and other oxidants, the duration of the fires, and other factors. The WTC disaster uniquely combined several cataclysmic destructive processes in a single event." -- The RJ Lee Report, Page 1.

And, of course, don't address the never-ending lies you spew like a fire hose. For example,

"...It has never been shown why, if fly ash was used, the useless weight of the microspheres would be left in the fly ash when the iron was worth more than the fly ash itself, and could easily be extracted through use of a crane-mounted electromagnet such as is used in scrap yards for handling steel." -- The goat fucker lying his unwashed ass off.

More substantiated bullshit and non-logic, cretin?

Yeah, never mind that Wikipedia states--and I quote:

"...In the US, fly ash is generally stored at coal power plants or placed in landfills. About 43 percent is recycled, often used to supplement Portland cement in concrete production." -- Wikipedia, Fly Ash.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Your belief that the fact that the concrete was fragmented proves that the spheres and the fly ash came from concrete is just loony."

Yes, let's pretend that fly ash isn't composed of iron-rich microspheres.

Who should we believe, the goat fucker, or our lying eyes?

The goat fucker prevaricates, "...I hate to break it to you, but the presence of iron in the dust does not establish that fly ash was used in WTC concrete."

Bullshit.

The USGS confirms the presence of iron (Fe) in the WTC concrete dust--and I quote:

"...Particles identifiable as concrete in WTC dust are those constituting the Portland cement component. Portland cement particles will usually have a high Ca peak accompanied by Si and/or Al, Mg, Fe." -- Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust, by Heather A. Lowers and Gregory P. Meeker.

Fe is iron, asshole.

So where did the iron in the concrete come from, if not fly ash?

Go for it, goat fucker.

Give us another pile of 100% fact-free nonsense and opinion that you deliberately misrepresent as "facts."

Continued...

 
At 14 December, 2011 23:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

And where did the alumino-silicate spheres come from, if not the concrete?

Wikipedia wrote, "...Pumice is widely used to make lightweight concrete." -- Wikpedia, Pumice.

"...pumice, an amorphous natural aluminosilicate used as support for metals in the preparation of catalysts." -- The structure of pumice by neutron diffraction, by M. A. Floriano, A. M. Venezia, G. Deganello, E. C. Svensson and J. H. Root.

Face it, goat fucker, you're outgunned. And you have no idea what you're talking about.

FAIL.

You make up your "facts." And your continued inability to substantiate your argument with anything more than your your idiotic, unscientific and unprofessional opinion proves that I'm right. You're nothing more than a font of lies and bullshit.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 15 December, 2011 01:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Dr. John Gross who never heard of any reports of molten steel even though Dr. James Glanz reported in the NYT "evaporated" steel and steel that had melted into a stalagmite 3 feet high? That kind of scientist?"

Still trying to convince us that it's possible to eyeball "molten steel"--you scurrilous liar?

Again, it's not possible to determine the chemical contents of an alleged "stalagmite" by merely looking at it--you cretin.

Only an assay, performed by a competent chemist, can determine the chemical makeup of the alleged "stalagmite."

You're so full-of-shit that your eyes are brown, goat fucker.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 15 December, 2011 04:56, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Yes, yes...we know Brian, only super duper nanothermite can create "iron rich" microspheres. After all, we know iron oxide would never melt, nor be present in a steel building.

 
At 15 December, 2011 05:14, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

And interesting side note to the molte metal debate:

...the World Trade Center in New York City utilized seven centrifugal chillers. Five new units were installed in 1993 to replace those damaged in the first World Trade Center bombing...

[...]

Chillers are copper intensive, with individual units containing 3,000 - 6,000 lbs of copper.


So there was between 10.5-21 tons of copper from these coolers alone. That doesn't even account for the standard plumbing and other equipment.

Something truthers readily run away from:

"A study of the 1991 Oakland fire that burned 3,000 homes revealed the presence of melted copper in over 80% of the burned structures, and what appeared to be melted steel in over 90% of the burned structures. With respect to steel, looks can be deceiving. What appears to be melted may be merely oxidized. Interpret melted metals, particularly steel, with caution, and interpret the temperatures you infer from these melted metals with extreme caution."


www.firescientist.com/Documents/IndicatorsOfTrouble.pdf

 
At 15 December, 2011 05:15, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Forgot the first link

http://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/techref/chill/chllrs_nts_blts.html

 
At 15 December, 2011 06:28, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Pat and James show up in the thread to...not debunk anything... again. In the time it took James to whine about neglecting his blog, he could easily have told us what caused so much iron to melt, why Sunder said FFA would be impossible, etc.

Instead, we get the tubsy-twins' mealy-mouthed, pathetic gibberish, as always (not to mention GB's usual misreading of the RJ Lee report). Keep on citing those sources, Pat and James! Quality research you're doing.

And now Grandmastershill can't distinguish between iron and rust, just like Pat and GB. Is it contagious around here or something?

 
At 15 December, 2011 07:20, Blogger Ian said...

You mean real scientists like NIST's Dr. Shyam Sunder, who thinks that tower two fell in 9 seconds and tower one fell in 11 seconds?

Yes, real scientists like Dr. Sunder. Of course, you lying about Dr. Sunder doesn't change his status. It just makes you look like the hilarious pathetic liar and lunatic who wears women's underwear that you are.

You mean scientists like NIST's Dr. John Gross who never heard of any reports of molten steel even though Dr. James Glanz reported in the NYT "evaporated" steel and steel that had melted into a stalagmite 3 feet high? That kind of scientist?

Yes, real scientists like John Gross who are interested in real research and not 2nd hand hearsay.

Brian, I know it's hard to understand what scientists do when you're a failed janitor who believes in magic thermite elves, but you should really leave this stuff to normal people.

 
At 15 December, 2011 10:53, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

TAW, your belief that little shreds of aluminum fuselage would have id numbers on them is silly.

So you're saying that you can't find or look at pictures that show the planes ID numbers on it's parts like the landing gear and wheels because you're an incompetent jackass?

Your belief that rust forms microspheres is also silly.

Iron Oxide (rust) does have microspheres in it. Too bad you're too stupid and dumb not to know this simple fact. Whine all you like, I'm laughing at your intellect, or little of it.

You're about as dumb and dishonest as WAQo was--and come to think of it you showed up about when WAQo disappeared.

Don't you think that other people out there have a LIFE other than being on the internet on a daily basis harassing & stalking people like you do?

 
At 15 December, 2011 11:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Guys,

The passage from the RJ Lee Report that totally DESTROYS the troofers' argument is right there on page 1 of the report--and I quote:

"...The catastrophic structural collapse of the WTC resulted in coarse fragmentation as well as fine particle dust generation including asbestos and various chemicals of concern. The hazardous materials in the dust originated from many common sources." -- The RJ Lee Report, Page 1.

End of debate.

The RJ Lee Report never has and never will support the troofer's idiotic conspiracy theory--period.

 
At 15 December, 2011 11:59, Blogger Ian said...

The RJ Lee Report never has and never will support the troofer's idiotic conspiracy theory--period.

That's not going to stop them. C'mon, Brian still "quotes" people like Shyam Sunder and Assanteh-Asl as if they have anything that will support the conspiracy theory.

The solution, Bill, is not to take the truthers seriously. Just laugh at Brian for being an unemployed janitor and "Pat Cowardly" for being a dateless virgin with a ratty beard.

 
At 15 December, 2011 12:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, unlike you, I have no need to deny reality. Your problem is that your texts do not mean what you say they mean.

For instance your spammy quotes to the effect that fly ash is used in some concrete do not show that fly ash was used in the WTC concrete.

You apply selective standards; demanding proof of the obvious from me--such as the existence of industrial magnets used in the steel-handling industry--while you subject your fanciful theories to no such requirements of proof.

You seem to think that iron proves fly ash. That's as loony as thinking lead proves bullets.

You'll go on and on and on proving that there was concrete at the WTC--as if there was any doubt, and as if that proved something.

UtterFail, a partially-melted girder is melted steel. There's no way around that. Unless you think a PhD structural engineer mistakes an aluminosilicate or lead girder for a steel one?

Ian, Dr. Sunder told NOVA that the towers fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds, and your colleagues' tolerance of your persistent lies about that show them to be lacking in integrity.

Reports from first-hand witnesses such as Dr. Glanz and Dr. Astaneh are not hearsay.

TAW, you're moving the goalposts. You claimed "there's thousands of plane parts that have American Airlines ID part numbers." Now you're talking about numbers on the landing gear. Thousands of landing gear parts?

Show me where rust has microspheres in it. I don't believe it.

I didn't stalk anybody and Carol never said I did. You're a liar. She did accuse me of harassing her by telephone, but she was mistaken about that. Somebody was harassing her, but it wasn't me.

 
At 15 December, 2011 12:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, that passage from RJ Lee as you employ it is a total non-sequitur that has no relevance to any 9/11 controversy. You may as well be quoting Yogi Berra.

 
At 15 December, 2011 12:23, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, when do you plan to substantiate your 100% fact-free assertions with something more than the opinion of a shiny pated pervert, sex predator and college dropout, who, by his own admission, flunked (grade: F) a freshman course in Economics?

After all, Economics is a branch of social science. If you can't pass a simple course in social science, why should anyone believe anything you say about physical science?

Sorry, does not compute.

You, moreover, flat out lied about the presence of fly ash in lightweight concrete, as my comment at time stamp 14 December, 2011 23:49 proves beyond a doubt.

Get back to us when you can pass a formal examination in logic--to say nothing of Economics.

You have no credibility, and you never have had an iota of credibility.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 15 December, 2011 13:20, Blogger Ian said...

See what I mean? Brian just posted a long set of paragraphs of dumbspam in which he lies about the very people I mentioned above.

Brian, repeatedly lying about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Asanteh-Asl doesn't change anything. It just makes you look like the hopeless lunatic who wears women's underwear and was expelled from the truth movement that you are.

 
At 15 December, 2011 15:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, where did you get the idea that I can't pass a course in Economics? Any idiot can pass a course in Economics. Even Ian.

You have provided not a shred of evidence that fly ash was used in the WTC concrete, and your insistence that you have is only showing your incompetence in logic.

Ian, I haven't lied about anything. Dr. Sunder said the towers fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds and Dr. Astaneh said he saw melting of girders. Anybody who bothers to check can see that you're lying.

 
At 15 December, 2011 16:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "... where did you get the idea that I can't pass a course in Economics?"

You admitted to as much on the blog, Pinocchio.

Do you ever stop lying, goat fucker?

And if I'm wrong about fly ash in the WTC concrete, why are you totally incapable of backing up your idiotic propaganda with anything more than your worthless opinion?

So I'll ask you again for the 100th time: Where did the Fe (iron) in the concrete dust--which was confirmed by the USGS--come from?

As a college dropout, you have no credibility--not one iota. And your complete failure to pass a simple course in the social sciences--freshman-level Economics--is proof that you're an incompetent who is completely incapable of making ANY determination where the physical sciences are concerned.

So where did the iron in the concrete dust come from, Pinocchio?

And remember, goat fucker, your worthless, unscientific and unprofessional opinion isn't proof.

I won't hold my breath waiting for your 100% fact-free non-explanation, either.

 
At 15 December, 2011 16:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

NOTES:

Primary source:

"...Particles identifiable as concrete in WTC dust are those constituting the Portland cement component. Portland cement particles will usually have a high Ca peak accompanied by Si and/or Al, Mg, Fe." -- Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust, by Heather A. Lowers and Gregory P. Meeker.

Secondary source:

"...In the US, fly ash is generally stored at coal power plants or placed in landfills. About 43 percent is recycled, often used to supplement Portland cement in concrete production." -- Wikipedia, Fly Ash.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, goat fucker.

 
At 15 December, 2011 16:32, Blogger Ian said...

UtterFail, where did you get the idea that I can't pass a course in Economics? Any idiot can pass a course in Economics. Even Ian.

Brian, you don't even understand high school-level physics. How could you understand economics? There's a reason you're a failed janitor and not a college professor.

You have provided not a shred of evidence that fly ash was used in the WTC concrete, and your insistence that you have is only showing your incompetence in logic.

And yet you'll continue to assume thermite without a shred of evidence for thermite. It's like the "God of the gaps" that creationist use when biologists admit that they don't know everything about evolution.

And the fact that you use "logic" in this idiotic paragraph is even funnier. Your understanding of logic is what we'd expect from someone too incompetent to hold down a job mopping floors.

Ian, I haven't lied about anything.

You just lied right here.

Dr. Sunder said the towers fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds and Dr. Astaneh said he saw melting of girders.

Two more lies. It's funny that you think repeating lies will makes them more truthful. Thankfully, nobody listens to you.

Anybody who bothers to check can see that you're lying.

And one more lie. If the truth movement had any influence of the people in this country, I'd be worried. Instead, I can laugh at you.

 
At 15 December, 2011 18:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I never admitted anywhere that I can't pass a course in economics. That wouldn't be true. You need to learn to read.

According to your own quote, there's iron in Portland cement. So I suppose at least some of the iron in the concrete dust came from the cement. Why do you ask? Where do you think it came from?

Ian, I understand high school physics just fine. One reason I'm not a college professor is because I never wanted to be one.

Where do you get the idea that I assume thermite? Why would I want to do that?

Dr. Sunder said the towers fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds and Dr. Astaneh said he saw melting of girders. Your persistent lying about such an easily checked issue is really really dumb.

 
At 15 December, 2011 19:05, Blogger Ian said...

UtterFail, I never admitted anywhere that I can't pass a course in economics. That wouldn't be true. You need to learn to read.

You don't need to admit it, Brian. It's self-evidence based on the ignorant insanity you post here every day.

According to your own quote, there's iron in Portland cement. So I suppose at least some of the iron in the concrete dust came from the cement. Why do you ask? Where do you think it came from?

Brian, I've asked you many times to not sniff glue before you post here, because then you come up with zen-like nonsense such as the above.

Ian, I understand high school physics just fine.

False.

One reason I'm not a college professor is because I never wanted to be one.

Well, that and you're too stupid/insane to be one.

Where do you get the idea that I assume thermite?

From all of your assumptions of thermite.

Why would I want to do that?

Because your pathetic, empty life has no meaning without 9/11 truth nonsense. You desperately want it to be true.

Dr. Sunder said the towers fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds and Dr. Astaneh said he saw melting of girders. Your persistent lying about such an easily checked issue is really really dumb.

See what I mean? You lie about this out of desperation.

 
At 15 December, 2011 19:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...According to your own quote, there's iron in Portland cement. So I suppose at least some of the iron in the concrete dust came from the cement. Why do you ask? Where do you think it came from?"

That's right, goat fucker, pretend that the Wikipedia entry I referenced at time stamp 15 December, 2011 16:20 doesn't tell us precisely how the Fe (Iron. That is, iron-rich microspheres in coal ash, ie., fly ash) made its way into the Portland cement?

And I quote:

"...In the US, fly ash is generally stored at coal power plants or placed in landfills. About 43 percent is recycled, often used to supplement Portland cement in concrete production." -- Wikipedia, Fly Ash.

I'll take your refusal to answer my question as tacit admission that I'm correct.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 15 December, 2011 19:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

NOTE:

Here's a SEM photomicrograph of the iron-rich microspheres in fly ash.

 
At 15 December, 2011 23:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me.

UtterFail, the fact that fly ash is used in some concrete does not mean it was used in all concrete. You have provided not a shred of evidence that fly ash was used in the WTC concrete, and the JR Lee report makes no suggestion whatsoever that the microspheres came from fly ash. Instead they say that the microspheres and the fly ash were produced by the WTC fires.

The fact that microspheres appear in power plant fly ash does not mean the WTC microspheres came from fly ash.

 
At 16 December, 2011 07:38, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Is Brian still lying about Astenah not examining the steel?

 
At 16 December, 2011 07:39, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, you lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me.

Brian, it's pretty amusing to see you lying about your own lies. I'm guessing you'll next lie about your lies about your own lies and this will continue into an infinite regress.

Of course, none of this matters because in the end, you'll never get a new investigation, or "meatball on a fork" published, or the "widows" questions answered.

UtterFail, the fact that fly ash is used in some concrete does not mean it was used in all concrete.

Your desperation is hilarious, Brian. You may actually believe this, but in the end it doesn't matter. You'll never get a new investigation, or "meatball on a fork" published, or the "widows" questions answered.

 
At 16 December, 2011 08:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker,

How did the iron get into the Portland cement?

I've asked you this question over-and-over again. ANSWER IT!

100% fact-free nay-saying isn't an answer.

 
At 16 December, 2011 09:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

GMS, I'm not lying about anything. Dr. Astaneh-Asl's opinions expressed to cbs show his inability to perform a scientific, systematic examination of the steel.

"My wish was that . . . . instead of recycling it, put it horizontally, and assemble it. You have maybe 200 engineers, not just myself running around trying to figure out what's going on. After all, this is a crime scene and you have to figure out exactly what happened for this crime, and learn from it. But that was my wish. My wish is not what happens."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/07/terror/main503218.shtml

He complained to PBS about the WTC steel: "After 9/11, we realized that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has sent all this steel that we need to study [away for recycling]. That's why I'm here to study steel. To send steel to a recycling plant to go to China for recycling, for what? For 15 cents a pound. That's nothing. And all the evidence of steel went to melting pot."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html

By labeling things that are outside your lazy knowledge-base "lies" you guys exhibit the signal characteristics of psychological denial.

Ian, you lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me. What Dr. Sunder and what Dr. Astaneh said are easily checked.
Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds. Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html

Your continual use of "scare quotes" on the simple noun "widows" shows you to be irrational and/or illiterate.

UtterFail, the fact that fly ash is used in some concrete does not mean it was used in all concrete.
It appears that you do not understand the difference between cement and concrete. Cement is a component of concrete. Cement is a mineral product, mined out of the ground. It has iron in it. Fly ash is sometimes added to cement. Fly ash has iron in it. Iron in cement does not prove fly ash in concrete.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too lazy to find out.

 
At 16 December, 2011 10:08, Blogger Ian said...

GMS, I'm not lying about anything.

You're lying right now. And then you followed it up with pointless dumbspam about Dr. Asanteh-Asl.

Ian, you lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me.

Stop lying, Brian.

What Dr. Sunder and what Dr. Astaneh said are easily checked.

Right, which is how we know that you're lying about them.

Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds. Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

See what I mean?

 
At 16 December, 2011 10:10, Blogger Ian said...

Your continual use of "scare quotes" on the simple noun "widows" shows you to be irrational and/or illiterate.

Squeal squeal squeal!

UtterFail, the fact that fly ash is used in some concrete does not mean it was used in all concrete.
It appears that you do not understand the difference between cement and concrete. Cement is a component of concrete. Cement is a mineral product, mined out of the ground. It has iron in it. Fly ash is sometimes added to cement. Fly ash has iron in it. Iron in cement does not prove fly ash in concrete.


Brian, pointless dumbspam like this is not going to get your "widows" their questions answered.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too lazy to find out.

Poor Brian. He knows there will never be a new investigation, and all he can do is squeal about it.

 
At 16 December, 2011 10:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker lies, "...Cement is a component of concrete. Cement is a mineral product, mined out of the ground. It has iron in it."

False.

Lying again, goat fucker?

I don't see anything that substantiates your assertion, ass.

Why is that, goat fucker?

And don't make any mistakes, goat fucker, because I'll bury in the truth.

You wouldn't lie and mislead the reader, would you?

 
At 16 December, 2011 11:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me. What Dr. Sunder and what Dr. Astaneh said are easily checked.
Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/debunking-9-11-bomb-theories.html

Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html

UtterFail, you don't know the difference between cement and concrete, you think the presence of iron proves fly ash, and you think "FE" is a chemical element. You don't know what you're talking about and you're making a fool of yourself.

 
At 16 December, 2011 11:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer, goat fucker.

You claimed that Portland cement "has iron in it."

Well, I'm saying you're a liar.

Is that simple enough for you, asshole? After all, you have the attention span of a retarded marmoset.

Now, substantiate your "It [Portland cement] has iron in it." assertion or you stand exposed, once again, as a liar.

Prove it.

 
At 16 December, 2011 11:47, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, you lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me. What Dr. Sunder and what Dr. Astaneh said are easily checked.
Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/debunking-9-11-bomb-theories.html

Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html


Brian, how many times do I have to tell you that just repeating this dumbspam doesn't make it any more true. Your lies continue to be lies, no matter how many times you spam this blog with them.

 
At 16 December, 2011 12:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, the only people I know who find blatant lies humorous are 8-year-old girls who think they're cute and are desperately seeking male attention.

 
At 16 December, 2011 12:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

Utterfail, your own quote from USGS says Portland Cement has iron in it.

 
At 16 December, 2011 12:45, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, the only people I know who find blatant lies humorous are 8-year-old girls who think they're cute and are desperately seeking male attention.

Squeal squeal squeal! It was about time you called us "girls".

Anyway, what do you hope to accomplish by endlessly posting the same thing about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Assanteh-Asl? It seems like a ridiculous waste for you to be posting here endlessly.

 
At 16 December, 2011 12:55, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...your own quote from USGS says Portland Cement has iron in it."

That's not an answer, goat fucker, it's an evasion.

I guess I have to hold your hand and spoon feed you again, because you're a fucking idiot with the attention span of a retarded marmoset.

There are five types of Portland cement:

Type 1

Type 1 consists of 55% (C3S), 19% (C2S), 10% (C3A), 7% (C4AF), 2.8% MgO, 2.9% (SO3), 1.0%.

Type 2

Type 2 consists of 51% (C3S), 24% (C2S), 6% (C3A), 11% (C4AF), 2.9% MgO, 2.5% (SO3), 0.8%.

Type 3

Type 3 consists of 57% (C3S), 19% (C2S), 10% (C3A), 7% (C4AF), 3.0% MgO, 3.1% (SO3), 0.9%.

Type 4

Type 4 consists of 28% (C3S), 49% (C2S), 4% (C3A), 12% (C4AF), 1.8% MgO, 1.9% (SO3), 0.9%.

Type 5

Type 5 consists of 38% (C3S), 43% (C2S), 4% (C3A), 9% (C4AF), 1.9% MgO, 1.8% (SO3), 0.9%.

Where's the iron, goat fucker?

For a guy who pontificates on the chemistry of cement, why are you consistently wrong? Could it be that you don't know fuck all about Portland cement?

I guess you were lying when you wrote, "It [Portland cement] has iron in it."

Question: So how did the iron get into the Portland cement?

Answer the question, I dare you.

 
At 16 December, 2011 13:29, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

The conflagration "activated processes"? You mean like the collapse of the WTC towers, which crushed a good portion of the WTC tower's lightweight concrete and, as a result, produced "fine particle dust""


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Oh look, a misreading of a scientific report!

 
At 16 December, 2011 13:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I didn't call you a girl. Learn to read. By posting the truth about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Assanteh-Asl I hope to minimize the effect of your lies about them.

Utterfail, your own quote from USGS says Portland Cement has iron in it. Since you don't provide any source for your dataspam, it's just more GutterBilge from UtterFail. The iron gets into the Portland cement because cement is a mineral product and iron is a common constituent of minerals.

 
At 16 December, 2011 13:56, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The source is Wikipedia, cretin.

Learn to Google.

And you're lying, Portland cement does NOT contain iron, in any form.

Now answer the question, coward, and stop the evasive bullshit.

Question: So how did the iron get into the Portland cement?

Go for it, goat fucker. I want to read another avalanche of your idiotic lies.

 
At 16 December, 2011 14:27, Blogger Ian said...

By posting the truth about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Assanteh-Asl I hope to minimize the effect of your lies about them.

What? Let's leave aside that you're the liar, but what "effect" are you babbling about? The only effect of my posts are to make you squeal and call us "girls".

Utterfail, your own quote from USGS says Portland Cement has iron in it. Since you don't provide any source for your dataspam, it's just more GutterBilge from UtterFail. The iron gets into the Portland cement because cement is a mineral product and iron is a common constituent of minerals.

So you're in agreement that the iron microspheres have a mundane explanation and that they didn't come from magic secret superthermite planted by Blofeld?

 
At 16 December, 2011 16:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, besides lying, you are making the same logical error as UtterBilge in assuming that all iron is microspheres.

 
At 16 December, 2011 16:41, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, besides lying, you are making the same logical error as UtterBilge in assuming that all iron is microspheres.

See Brian, I don't think you understand how this works.

On the one hand, you have me, who is smart, successful, and well-respected. People listen to me.

On the other hand, there's you. You are a failed janitor who looks like a homeless lunatic and wears women's underwear.

Thus, no matter what you say about Dr. Sunder or Dr. Asanteh-Asl, I just have to say "false", and people will believe me. They'll assume I know what I'm talking about because I'm smart and successful and you're a failed janitor. It doesn't even matter if I'm lying.

So to sum up, as long as I say the widows have no questions, people will assume the widows have no questions, and all you'll be able to do about it is squeal.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

 
At 16 December, 2011 16:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Ian, besides lying, you are making the same logical error as UtterBilge in assuming that all iron is microspheres."

I hear a lot of squealing but I don't hear any answers.

Why is that, goat fucker?

Do you have something to hide?

Come on, goat fucker, lie to us again. M'kay?

 
At 16 December, 2011 18:23, Blogger John said...

The iron gets into the Portland cement because cement is a mineral product and iron is a common constituent of minerals.

*facepalm*

 
At 16 December, 2011 19:01, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"FAA flight controllers in Boston and elsewhere gave timely notice to military authorities that the four airliners were out of contact and possibly hijacked.According to normal protocol and practice USAF-NORAD jets would have been readily able to intercept all four planes, but launchings were inexplicably delayed and misdirected, and three of the planes got through to their targets."


Let me fix this:

"FAA flight controllers in Boston and elsewhere gave timely notice to military authorities that the four airliners were out of contact and possibly hijacked -EVEN THOUGH ALL AIRCRAFT WERE HIJACKS AT DIFFERENT TIMES, AND ALL DEACTIVATED THEIR IFF.According to normal protocol and practice USAF-NORAD jets would have been readily able to intercept- NORMAL UP TO 1989 WHEN THE IRON CURTAIN FELL, AND THE SOVIET THREAT RECEDED. HAD THE HIJACKINGS OCCURED PRIOR TO 1989 THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE INTERCEPTS WOULD HAVE OCCURRED EITHER - all four planes, but launchings were inexplicably delayed and misdirected UNLESS YOU'D BOTHERED TO READ A NEWS PAPER BETWEEN 1991 AND 2001 WHERE DEFENSE CUTS WERE DETAILED, AND THE LIMITATIONS INFLICTED ON THE MILITARY WERE IGNORED, IF YOU DID READ NEWSPAPERS YOU KNEW THE MILITARY WAS A SHELL OF ITAS COLD WAR SELF MAKING A RAPID RESPONSE IMPOSSIBLE. tHIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE ATTACKS, and three of the planes got through to their targets...WAIT, THEIR TARGET WAS A FIELD IN SHANKSVILLE?"

Dipshits...

 
At 17 December, 2011 10:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

Utterfile, you substitute bile for facts. Your own Wikipedia source says that Portland Cement contains up to 6% iron. The iron gets into the Portland Cement because cement is a non-purified mineral product, and iron is a common constituent of mineral products.

Ian, by posting the truth about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Assanteh-Asl I hope to minimize the effect of your lies about them. People come to this website looking for information to debunk the 9/11 Truthers, and when they do they are likely to believe your lies.

Ian, I don't claim to know where the iron microspheres come from. UtterFail does, but he misquotes RJ Lee in an attempt to support his evidence-free speculations.

Ian, you provide no evidence for your claim that you are smart, successful, and well-respected. Any idiot blogger can make that claim.

MGF, wow, where did you get such amazing insight into the functioning of the NORAD air defense? Couldn't be that your assumption that the military is incompetent because all government is incompetent colors your opinions on these matters? How does it feel to be so superior to Air Force Top Guns? It only takes one plane to intercept an airliner, so your yammering about force cuts is irrelevant. There is nothing unique about an off-course airliner. Intercepting one is a routine matter. In fact NORAD had drilled on the scenario of a hijacked airliner aimed at the WTC.

 
At 17 December, 2011 10:50, Blogger Ian said...

Utterfile, you substitute bile for facts. Your own Wikipedia source says that Portland Cement contains up to 6% iron. The iron gets into the Portland Cement because cement is a non-purified mineral product, and iron is a common constituent of mineral products.

So the iron microspheres came from the concrete. Good to know this has been cleared up.

Ian, by posting the truth about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Assanteh-Asl I hope to minimize the effect of your lies about them. People come to this website looking for information to debunk the 9/11 Truthers, and when they do they are likely to believe your lies.

That's the problem, Brian. You post lies about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Assenteh-Asl. Thus, when the literally tens of people who come here looking for info, they'll realize what a bunch of liars the truthers are. Add in the fact that you're a failed janitor who wears women's underwear, and they'll realize that the only people who believe "truther" conspiracy theories are hopeless losers.

 
At 17 December, 2011 10:53, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, I don't claim to know where the iron microspheres come from.

So you babble about thermite as part of some performace art project or something?

It perplexes me that you claim to not know why anything happened on 9/11, and yet you immediately assume the most laughably insane explanation.

Ian, you provide no evidence for your claim that you are smart, successful, and well-respected. Any idiot blogger can make that claim.

This is the kind of squealing I expect from a failed janitor who believes in magic thermite elves!

As long as you keep babbling here, you'll never get the widows questions answered, and I will win.

 
At 17 December, 2011 10:54, Blogger Ian said...

MGF, wow, where did you get such amazing insight into the functioning of the NORAD air defense? Couldn't be that your assumption that the military is incompetent because all government is incompetent colors your opinions on these matters? How does it feel to be so superior to Air Force Top Guns? It only takes one plane to intercept an airliner, so your yammering about force cuts is irrelevant. There is nothing unique about an off-course airliner. Intercepting one is a routine matter. In fact NORAD had drilled on the scenario of a hijacked airliner aimed at the WTC.

My, such squealing!

It's amusing when a failed janitor who believes in modified attack baboons pretends to know about how NORAD works. It's almost as funny as his "understanding" of the laws of physics.

 
At 17 December, 2011 10:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...you substitute bile for facts. Your own Wikipedia source says that Portland Cement contains up to 6% iron. The iron gets into the Portland Cement because cement is a non-purified mineral product, and iron is a common constituent of mineral products."

False.

Skyscrapers are constructed from lightweight concrete. Thus, the ONLY cement process that's applicable is the EMC process--and I quote:

"...An alternative fabrication technique EMC (Energetically modified cement) uses very finely ground cements that are made from mixtures of cement with sand or with slag or other pozzolan type minerals which are extremely finely ground together. Such cements can have the same physical characteristics as normal cement but with 50% less cement particularly due to their increased surface area for the chemical reaction. Even with intensive grinding they can use up to 50% less energy to fabricate than ordinary Portland cements." -- Performance of Energetically Modified Cement (EMC) and Energetically Modified Fly Ash (EMFA) as Pozzolan.

That's why fly ash is used to make lightweight concrete--it's lighter than cement.

"...The substitution rate of fly ash for portland cement will vary depending upon the chemical composition of both the fly ash and the portland cement. The rate of substitution typically specified is a minimum of 1 to 1 ½ pounds of fly ash to 1 pound of cement. It should be noted that the amount of fine aggregate will have to be reduced to accommodate the additional volume of fly ash. This is due to fly ash being lighter than the cement." -- Fly Ash, US FHA.

Maybe you should do your homework before you babble like an idiot?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

Now, answer the question: How did the iron get into the Portland cement?

 
At 17 December, 2011 11:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 17 December, 2011 11:49, Blogger snug.bug said...

No, Ian. Iron != iron microspheres. Your belief that it does is as irrational as believing wheat = bread.

You lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me. What Dr. Sunder and what Dr. Astaneh said are easily checked.
Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/debunking-9-11-bomb-theories.html

Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html

Your empty, fact-free ad hominems betray your inability to mount an argument based on reality.

ButtGale, thanks for citing a 2004-era paper to support your claims about a 1968-era building, and further demonstrating your incompetence.

Iron at up to 6% concentration is a normal constituent of Portland Cement--according to your own cite. There's no mystery about how it got there.

 
At 17 December, 2011 12:22, Blogger Ian said...

No, Ian. Iron != iron microspheres. Your belief that it does is as irrational as believing wheat = bread.

So if iron microspheres do not come from iron, where do they come from? Smoldering carpets? Burnt baboon fur? Death ray beams from space?

Your desperation is really funny, Brian.

You lie about Dr. Sunder, you lie about Dr. Astaneh, and you lie about me. What Dr. Sunder and what Dr. Astaneh said are easily checked.
Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/debunking-9-11-bomb-theories.html

Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html


Brian, you've posted these lies over and over and over again. What are you trying to accomplish with all this dumbspam?

Your empty, fact-free ad hominems betray your inability to mount an argument based on reality.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Iron at up to 6% concentration is a normal constituent of Portland Cement--according to your own cite. There's no mystery about how it got there.

Aaaand we're back to where we started.

 
At 17 December, 2011 12:24, Blogger Ian said...

So let's recap: Brian is telling GuitarBill that iron microspheres came from cement. At the same time, he is telling me that iron microspheres did not come from the cement.

I sometimes wonder if there are several people with the user name "snug.bug" who are just trying to mess with us.

 
At 17 December, 2011 12:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you're playing dumb. As bread comes from wheat, microspheres come from iron. That does not mean that wheat = bread or iron = microspheres.

Dr. Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/debunking-9-11-bomb-theories.html

Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html

These are verifiable facts, and your lies about them are stupid.

 
At 17 December, 2011 12:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Iron at up to 6% concentration is a normal constituent of Portland Cement--according to your own cite."

False.

The only "normal constituents of Portland Cement" are defined by the ASTM C150 specification--and I quote:

Type 1

Type 1 consists of 55% (C3S), 19% (C2S), 10% (C3A), 7% (C4AF), 2.8% MgO, 2.9% (SO3), 1.0%.

Type 2

Type 2 consists of 51% (C3S), 24% (C2S), 6% (C3A), 11% (C4AF), 2.9% MgO, 2.5% (SO3), 0.8%.

Type 3

Type 3 consists of 57% (C3S), 19% (C2S), 10% (C3A), 7% (C4AF), 3.0% MgO, 3.1% (SO3), 0.9%.

Type 4

Type 4 consists of 28% (C3S), 49% (C2S), 4% (C3A), 12% (C4AF), 1.8% MgO, 1.9% (SO3), 0.9%.

Type 5

Type 5 consists of 38% (C3S), 43% (C2S), 4% (C3A), 9% (C4AF), 1.9% MgO, 1.8% (SO3), 0.9%.

Source: Wikipedia, Portland cement, ASTM C150.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...thanks for citing a 2004-era paper to support your claims about a 1968-era building"

False.

"...Fly ash concrete was first used in the U.S. in 1929 for the Hoover Dam, where engineers found that it allowed for less total cement. It is now used across the country." -- NAHB Research Center, Fly Ash Concrete--Inexpensive replacement for Portland cement.

Where's the Fe (iron), goat fucker?

Why is lightweight concrete always specified for skyscrapers?

The answer is simple--and I quote:

"...The spherical shape of the particles reduces internal friction thereby increasing the concrete's consistency and mobility, permitting longer pumping distances." -- Fly Ash Concrete--Inexpensive replacement for Portland cement.

Of course, in your World of make believe, an engineer would never specify lightweight concrete for a tall structure, because we all know that standard (heavy) concrete is easier to pump to height of 1,400 ft than lightweight concrete. Right, Pinocchio?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Maybe you should do your homework before you babble like an idiot?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 12:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, your own source says that iron is an ordinary constituent of cement. Your inability to correct your errors shows your incompetence.

 
At 17 December, 2011 12:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Iron at up to 6% concentration is a normal constituent of Portland Cement...[blah][blah][blah]."

False.

The table says 0-6%. That means the only way Fe2O3 makes it's way into the Portland cement is IF IT IS ADDED SEPARATELY. Otherwise, how do you explain the 0% case?

The answer--you fucking idiot--is given by the ASTM-C150 specification, which I directly quote above at time stamps 16 December, 2011 12:55 and 17 December, 2011 12:31.

So where's the (Fe) iron in the ASTM-C150 specification, liar?

Perhaps you should do your homework before you babble like an idiot?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 12:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So goat fucker, is the concept of the first non-negative integer (Zero) beyond the grasp of that shit-filled orb on your spindly shoulders?

Zero (0) means NO IRON.

So, where is the Fe (iron) in the ASTM-C150 specification, liar?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 13:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

I explain the 0% case from the fact that cementitious minerals are mined from many different sources. Some limestone has iron, some doesn't. If you want to claim that iron at the WTC came from fly ash and not from other sources, you have to show that the cement at WTC did not contain iron.

Your set-up-to-fail challenges are meaningless. Show me in the Bible where it says 1 + 1 = 2. Show me in the Bible where it says C A T spells "cat".

 
At 17 December, 2011 13:09, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, you're playing dumb. As bread comes from wheat, microspheres come from iron. That does not mean that wheat = bread or iron = microspheres.

#1,281 in the series "Brian's idiotic analogies". Collect them all!

You're still telling me that iron is not iron, Brian. I guess you think microspheres are magic, like thermite.

Dr. Sunder told NOVA that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/debunking-9-11-bomb-theories.html

Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html


Spamming this blog with lies about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Assanteh-Asl isn't going to change the reality of the situation, Brian.

 
At 17 December, 2011 13:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 17 December, 2011 13:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker babbles, "...Some limestone has iron, some doesn't."

Contradicting yourself again, goat fucker?

Of course you are.

And I don't see any facts, which are verified by hyperlinks to credible sources. All I see is your 100% fact-free worthless, unprofessional and unscientific opinion.

Thus, your argument isn't worth the ASCII characters you waste to post it.

And you'd didn't answer my question: How do you explain the TOTAL ABSENCE OF IRON IN THE ASTM C150 specification?

Go for it, goat fucker, lie to us again. And make sure to NEVER substantiate your argument, while you DEMAND substantiation for every jot and title I post to this blog.

You wouldn't be a lying hypocrite, would you, goat fucker?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 13:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, skill with analogies is an essential part of the Scholastic Aptitude Test. Your lack of skill suggests you got a bad score. Too bad for you.

I'm not telling you that iron is not iron. You're playing dumb. I'm telling you that not all iron is microspheres. There's nothing magic about microspheres or thermite.

Dr. Sunder told NOVA that the
buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/debunking-9-11-bomb-theories.html

Astaneh told PBS "I saw melting of girders".

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html

ButtGale, there is no contradiction in the fact that some limestone has iron, some doesn't. Some bread has whole wheat, some doesn't. Sorry you're so stupid, but it's not my fault.

And your "hyperlink" spec is as phony as your other set-up-to-fail nonsense. With Firefox 8, text links are hyperlinks, Join the 21st Century, COBOL-Queen!

The ASTM C150 specification omits iron because it is of no functional interest, merely a mineral contaminant. You're so dumb--How dumb is he?--he's so dumb that he has no idea that he's making a fool of himself again and again and again and again.

 
At 17 December, 2011 13:49, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Lying about Dr. Astaneh-Asl again, goat fucker?

What did he tell the 9/11 "truth movement"--you lying sack-of-shit?

"...please stop using a phrase 'molten steel' from eight years of my work and statements to further your absolutely misguided and baseless conspiracy theories and find another subject for your discussion. You are hurting the victims' families immensely and if you have any humanity you would stop doing so and will not use my name nor the out of context words from my work." -- Dr. Astaneh-Asl

"Humanity"? You haven't a micro-gram of humanity in your entire body--you despicable, lying cretin.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 13:52, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...The ASTM C150 specification omits iron because it is of no functional interest, merely a mineral contaminant."

False.

Where's your proof, goat fucker?

The opinion of a proven liar isn't worth the ASCII characters you waste to post it.

Why can't you substantiate your malarkey with links and quotes from credible sources, goat fucker?

Oh, that's right! You're a compulsive liar.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 14:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...And your "hyperlink" spec is as phony as your other set-up-to-fail nonsense. With Firefox 8, text links are hyperlinks, Join the 21st Century, COBOL-Queen!"

I've forgotten more about Firefox version 8 than you'll ever know, goat fucker.

The fact remains that you haven't substantiated one word of your argument with a hyperlink--a formatted hyperlink or otherwise.

Why is that, goat fucker?

Oh, that's right! You're a compulsive liar.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 14:19, Blogger Ian said...

Brian keeps repeating lies for no apparent reason, keeps telling us that iron is not iron, and pretends to understand what analogies are by googling them ("Oh look, they're part of the SATs!").

I'm not sure why he does this, but I guess he's got nothing else going for him.

 
At 17 December, 2011 14:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Ian,

There's no question that fly ash was used in the WTC's concrete. It's not possible to build a 110-story skyscraper with anything other than fly ash-based concrete--and the goat fucker knows it (or maybe not. After all, he's a LYING idiot).

In fact, the engineers used the stuff to build the so-called "bathtub." For example,

"...The contractor then grouted the socket from the bottom to a distance about 2 ft above rock with a mixture of high-early strength cement, water and fly ash. The required 3,000 psi concrete was usually obtained in 72 hours. The contractor could then stress the tendons." -- ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, 31 October 1968.

And I have plenty more where that came from--trust me.

%^)

But I'm holding the relevant material, because I enjoy reading the goat fucker's never-ending stream of lies.

I'll crush him like a grape.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 
At 17 December, 2011 14:38, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And what is a "mixture of high-early strength [Portland] cement, water and fly ash"?

The answer is simple: The formula for lightweight, fly ash-based concrete.

The same formula for lightweight concrete that was used to build the Hoover Dam--and I quote:

"...Fly ash concrete was first used in the U.S. in 1929 for the Hoover Dam, where engineers found that it allowed for less total cement. It is now used across the country." -- NAHB Research Center, Fly Ash Concrete--Inexpensive replacement for Portland cement.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 
At 17 December, 2011 15:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, your continued irrationality would be embarrassing you if you had even half a brain.

No, I did not lie about what Dr. Astaneh-Asl said. And nothing he may be alleged to have said about the 9/11 Truth movement changes the fact that he said he saw melting of girders. Your attempt to declare his statement to PBS a heretical text only shows your essential irrationality.

It's obvious that the iron plays no functional part in the ASTM C150 specification because they don't mention it. If iron oxide reacted with concrete then steel rebar would not be practical.

Whatever you may have forgotten about
Firefox 8, you've obviouslyu forgotten that live hyperlinks are now obviated.

Your own wikipedia link shows that iron is a common constituent of Portland Cement.

You provide nothing but your own ludicrously ignorant opinion about fly ash in the WTC concrtete--and not a shred of evidence. And you can;'t explain why, if fly ash was used, the very simple procedure of removing iron spheres with a magnet would not
be employed, since the iron would be worth more than the cost of the fly ash and the many thousands of tons of iron would contribute nothing but dead weight to the structure.

There's no reason to trust you about anything. You still can't explain why the NRDC's claim that all 424,000 tons of WTC concrete was pulverized is absurd. That's because you don't know the first thing about the construction of the WTC. You don't know the difference between FE and Fe, but you want to lecture us about chemistry. You don't know the difference between cement and concrete.

You still have not provided a shred of evidence that fly ash was used in the WTC lightweight concrete.

 
At 17 December, 2011 15:33, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's right, goat fucker, keep repeating the same lies that were debunked up-thread.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...It's obvious that the iron plays no functional part in the ASTM C150 specification because they don't mention it."

False.

Stop lying goat fucker. And where are the hyperlinks to substantiate that assertion, ass?

FAIL.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Whatever you may have forgotten about
Firefox 8, you've obviouslyu
[SIC] forgotten that live hyperlinks are now obviated."

I haven't forgotten anything, spelling be champ. And you've not provided ONE HYPERLINK to substantiate your argument.

Why is that, goat fucker?

FAIL.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...You provide nothing but your own ludicrously ignorant opinion about fly ash in the WTC concrtete [SIC]--and not a shred of evidence."

Lying again, spelling bee champ?

My comment at time stamp 17 December, 2011 14:31 proves that lightweight, fly-ash-based concrete was used to construct the so-called bathtub.

And would you care to explain how mid-to-heavy weight concrete is pumped to the top of a 110-story skyscraper? I'm sure you have hyperlinks to substantiate that assertion, too. Right, Pinocchio?

"...The spherical shape of the particles reduces internal friction thereby increasing the concrete's consistency and mobility, permitting longer pumping distances." -- Fly Ash Concrete--Inexpensive replacement for Portland cement.

FAIL.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...And you can;'t explain why, if fly ash was used, the very simple procedure of removing iron spheres with a magnet would not be employed, since the iron would be worth more than the cost of the fly ash and the many thousands of tons of iron would contribute nothing but dead weight to the structure."

False.

What's this, goat fucker?

"...The substitution rate of fly ash for portland cement will vary depending upon the chemical composition of both the fly ash and the portland cement. The rate of substitution typically specified is a minimum of 1 to 1 ½ pounds of fly ash to 1 pound of cement. It should be noted that the amount of fine aggregate will have to be reduced to accommodate the additional volume of fly ash. This is due to fly ash being lighter than the cement." -- Fly Ash, US FHA.

Thus, fly ash is LIGHTER than Portland cement. That's why engineers specify fly ash-based concrete for skyscrapers and tall or large structures.

FAIL.

The goat fucker prevaricates, "...There's no reason to trust you about anything. You still can't explain why the NRDC's claim that all 424,000 tons of WTC concrete was pulverized is absurd."

That's right, goat fucker, when your back is against the wall, CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

FAIL.

See how you are, goat fucker?

So which it? Are you a liar or an illiterate neo-fascist scumbag who never met a lie he didn't love?

Perhaps if you payed attention in school (to say nothing of SLC), you wouldn't be such a fucking idiot.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 15:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...No, I did not lie about what Dr. Astaneh-Asl said. And nothing he may be alleged to have said about the 9/11 Truth movement changes the fact that he said he saw melting of girders. Your attempt to declare his statement to PBS a heretical text only shows your essential irrationality."

Really? No kidding?

What part of Dr Astaneh-Asl's statement do you fail to understand, goat fucker?

"...please stop using a phrase 'molten steel' from eight years of my work and statements to further your absolutely misguided and baseless conspiracy theories and find another subject for your discussion. You are hurting the victims' families immensely and if you have any humanity you would stop doing so and will not use my name nor the out of context words from my work." -- Dr. Astaneh-Asl

Yep, you're an illiterate, a liar and cretin.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 15:52, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And what part of the schematic titled Fig 3. Anchorages eliminate inside braces do you fail to understand?

Notice that the "Concrete Floor Slabs" are made with "a mixture of high-early strength [Portland] cement, water and fly ash."

And what is a "mixture of high-early strength [Portland] cement, water and fly ash"?

The answer is simple: The formula for lightweight, fly ash-based concrete.

The same formula for lightweight concrete that was used to build the Hoover Dam.

Yep, you're an illiterate, a liar and cretin.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 16:05, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker prevaricates, "...There's no reason to trust you about anything. You still can't explain why the NRDC's claim that all 424,000 tons of WTC concrete was pulverized is absurd."

False.

The World Trade Center Towers were constructed with 425,000 cubic yards of concrete. There are 2400 kg/cubic meter. That means the World Trade Center Towers were constructed with 780,000 metric tons of concrete (ie., 860,000 short tons).

There's nothing absurd about the NRDC's conclusion at all. Unless, of course, were dealing with an idiot who can't do elementary arithmetic or math.

I guess that's why you don't understand the definition of "delta T." I guess that's why you can't do freshman-level calculus, to say nothing of elementary algebra.

Yep, you're an illiterate, a liar and cretin.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 16:10, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"How does it feel to be so superior to Air Force Top Guns?"

If the pilot can't get his plane into the air then he's a pedestrian, so I like my chances.

An unarmed F-16 is just a glorified Cessna.

"It only takes one plane to intercept an airliner, so your yammering about force cuts is irrelevant."

Wrong. It takes a coordinated effort between the interceptor and ground/AWACS radar (depending on the situation). This is why a small private aircraft was able to crash into the White House in 1994 without even raising alarms, and an A-10 was able to vanish during a training mission in 1997.

If the fighter doesn't know where to look it cannot locate the target.

"There is nothing unique about an off-course airliner. Intercepting one is a routine matter."

Actually an off-course airliner is a bigh deal, and has been a big deal since the 1970s. Pilots are fired, it makes the news, so it's a big deal.

"In fact NORAD had drilled on the scenario of a hijacked airliner aimed at the WTC."

The "Fact" is the scenario delt with a hijacked aircraft coming in from the Atlantic from overseas, and the plane was carrying a nerve agent.

They only ran that drill once.

 
At 17 December, 2011 16:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, if you're going to claim there's no iron in cement, you can hardly claim it plays a functional role. Try to pretend you have half a brain.

And first you claim you've forgotten a lot about Firefox8, and then you claim you haven't forgotten anything.

Your comment about fly ash proves nothing. Your source http://guardian.150m.com/ is a holocaust denier web site.

Good work, chump! You really are an ass, you know that?

 
At 17 December, 2011 16:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, an F-16 can fly as 1500 mph. Some Cessna. The pilot of a Boeing may not know if the F-16 is armed or not. Besides, raking the Boeing's cockpit with lowered landing gear would be a pretty effective way of delivering a message to the hijackers.

It only takes one F-16 to intercept an airliner, and coordination with the ground is not an issue. Your attempts to defend the indefensible are blatant.

FAA told the fighters where to look--even in the case of flight 11 they told NORAD the plane was 30 miles north of JFK.

So first you say 9/11 was unique, and then you say it's a big deal. Thanks for the clarification. Intercepting an aircraft was routine.

Presence of nerve gas has nothing to do with the issue. The fact is that NORAD drilled on the airliner-into-WTC scenario.

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker prevaricates, "...Your comment about fly ash proves nothing. Your source http://guardian.150m.com/ is a holocaust denier web site."

False.

Wrong again, goat fucker.

The source is ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, 31 October 1968. ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD is owned by McGraw-Hill,and has been owned by McGraw-Hill since 1909.

You'll also find the same article from ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD at 911research.wtc7.net. Is that a holocaust denial website, too, asshole?

Source: 911research.wtc7.net: 911research.wtc7.net>SOME ARTICLES FROM ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD.

FAIL.

Good work, chump! You really are an ass, you know that, goat fucker?

Too bad that you never do your homework. I guess that explains why you're an idiot.

Yep, you're an illiterate, a liar and cretin.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, it's common knowledge that you're an idiot, so let us know when you grasp the concept of website mirroring.

Source: Mirror (computing).

I guess that's the way it goes when you're a blowhard and a computer illiterate.

FAIL.

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:21, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So goat fucker, when do you plan to apologize for lying to us by trying to claim that fly ash-based concrete wasn't extensively used in the construction of the World Trade Center Towers?

Yeah, I know, when Hell freezes over. Right, goat fucker?

I guess psychopathy just doesn't allow a conceited know-nothing to admit when he's DEAD WRONG.

So where's the apology that you owe each and every one of us--you lying sack-of-shit?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, you're only demonstrating your incompetence. Your source is not Engineering News Record. Your source is a holocaust denying website.
http://guardian.150m.com

Any idiot can put up a website and put forth a text that they claim comes from TIME or Newsweek. Doesn't make it so.

UtterFail, you have provided no proof that fly ash was used in the lightweight concrete floors of the WTC, you have provided no proof that iron microspheres were part of the fly ash if it was used, and you have provided only very suspect evidence with respect to the use of fly ash in the slurry walls.

You FAIL.

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:49, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker lies, "...Any idiot can put up a website and put forth a text that they claim comes from TIME or Newsweek. Doesn't make it so."

No, wrong again.

The source is ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, 31 October 1968. ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD is owned by McGraw-Hill,and has been owned by McGraw-Hill since 1909.

That's right, goat fucker, pretend that I didn't give you a direct link to 911research.wtc7.net that has the same article.

What's this, liar?

You'll also find the same article from ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD at 911research.wtc7.net. Is that a holocaust denial website, too, asshole?

And I'm sure you can explain where all the ancient (circa, 1968) lithographs in the articles come from, goat fucker?

You can't? Then STFU, liar.

So goat fucker, when do you plan to apologize for lying to us by trying to claim that fly ash-based concrete wasn't extensively used in the construction of the World Trade Center Towers?

Once again, you FAIL.

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

So now UtterFail is citing a 9/11 conspiracy website as his source.

What kind of hypocritical bullshit is that?

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

DISCLAIMER

9-11 Research does not promote
incivility, junk science,
or 'no-jetliner' claims.


Come on, goat fucker, are you going to diss your troofer buddies at 9-11 Research. After all, they would NEVER publish "junk science," now would they?

LOL!

 
At 17 December, 2011 17:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...So now UtterFail is citing a 9/11 conspiracy website as his source."

Not at all.

After all, the article comes from ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, 31 October 1968. I found a copy of the article over 6 weeks ago at the Sunnyvale (CA) Library in the electronic archives. Thus, the article is CONFIRMED to source from ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD. Look it up yourself, Pinocchio.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 18:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, you have long promoted the principle that if I disagreed with a source's conclusion, I could not cite any facts asserted by that source.

Now you are with unsurprising hypocrisy violating your own principles. What inspires such desperation?

The anecdotal claims of anonymous internet posters are meaningless. You're a joke, ButtGale Utterfail.

 
At 17 December, 2011 18:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I don't disagree the with sources conclusion at all, goat fucker.

After all, the source is ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, 31 October 1968. I found a copy of the article over 6 weeks ago at the Sunnyvale (CA) Library in the electronic archives. Thus, the article is CONFIRMED to source from ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD. Look it up yourself, Pinocchio.

Do you think that I wouldn't check the Library's electronic archives to confirm the source? Think again--you neo-fascist liar.

And, according to Google, since there are only two sources of the ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD article on the web, I can only source what's out there. Whether you like it or not.

Stop lying, Petgoat.

 
At 17 December, 2011 18:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So goat fucker, I'll ask you again: When do you plan to apologize for lying to us by trying to claim that fly ash-based concrete wasn't extensively used in the construction of the World Trade Center Towers?

So where's the apology that you owe each and every one of us--you lying sack-of-shit?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 17 December, 2011 19:29, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, the last time I checked, a formal apology doesn't sound like

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

I guess that your mental illness--psychopathy--won't allow you to apologize.

Be a man for once in your miserable life, goat fucker, and apologize.

 
At 18 December, 2011 07:54, Blogger Ian said...

Good work, chump! You really are an ass, you know that?

Squeal squeal squeal!

I really hope Brian posts this gibberish on a home computer. Given the hours in which he posts, I have a suspicion that he's at the local public library, however.

I'd hate to see some intelligent 7th grader looking to write a report on the Constitutional Convention, only to have the computer occupied by a lunatic with crazy long hair and bugged-out eyes, raving and spitting as he pounds the keyboard because some obscure blog is laughing at him.

Anyway, it's good to see Brian has stopped posting dumbspam about Dr. Sunder and Dr. Asanteh-Asl.

 
At 18 December, 2011 07:58, Blogger Ian said...

MGF, an F-16 can fly as 1500 mph. Some Cessna. The pilot of a Boeing may not know if the F-16 is armed or not. Besides, raking the Boeing's cockpit with lowered landing gear would be a pretty effective way of delivering a message to the hijackers.

One could also airlift modified attack baboons onto the fuselage of the jetliner, and they could then eat their way into the cockpit and then kill the hijackers.

It only takes one F-16 to intercept an airliner, and coordination with the ground is not an issue. Your attempts to defend the indefensible are blatant.

Brian, what year did you graduate from the Air Force Academy? My Uncle Steve was a cadet in the 70s and wants to know if you shared any classes with him.

So first you say 9/11 was unique, and then you say it's a big deal. Thanks for the clarification. Intercepting an aircraft was routine.

I guess "unique" is another word Brian doesn't understand.

Anyway, I hope Brian isn't posting this from the public library. There are so many people who still have chances in life who probably could be using the computers for normal purposes.

 
At 18 December, 2011 08:00, Blogger Ian said...

And it also appears Brian is still babbling about how iron is not iron. I guess he failed high school chemistry along with failing high school physics.

No wonder you were a janitor.

 
At 18 December, 2011 11:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, your belief that the source is ENR only shows your incompetence. The source is you--an incompetent and lying anonymous internet poster making claims about ENR. Alternatively, the source is the holocaust-denier website you linked--which also makes claims about the ENR article. Obviously you don't know the difference between a $10 bill and a photocopy of a $10 bill.

I never said fly ash-based concrete wasn't extensively used in the construction of the World Trade Center Towers? I said you haven't proven that it was, and you certainly haven't proven that it was used in the lightweight floors, and you haven't proven that there were iron microspheres in it. The issue requires further investigation--which should be easy to do. There should be chunks of WTC concrete out at Fresh Kills. Knock yourself out. Get to work.

Ian, all you do is lie and lie and lie. Why is that? What's wrong with you?

 
At 18 December, 2011 11:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Another pile of 100% fact-free squealing, goat fucker? All of your nay-saying and lies were debunked up thread.

Why is it, moreover, that I don't see anything but your 100% fact-free, unscientific and unprofessional opinion?

FACT: You need to get to work, goat fucker, and do your homework. Because as things stand now, your "iron-rich microspheres" theory is DEAD IN THE WATER.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Get back to me when you have something more than bald-faced lies and your worthless opinion.

You can start by PROVING that ENR didn't write the article. So far, you have nothing. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO.

Then you can prove that all the quotations from the expert witnesses that I provided up-thread in support of my argument are in error. And there are many expert witness testimonials for you to [cough] "debunk." So you need to get to work. Because, so far, you have nothing. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO.

Good luck, 9/11 failure monkey.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 18 December, 2011 12:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I don't have to prove anything. Your irrationality and mendacity have released me from any obligation to take your claims seriously enough to check them.

Even if your claim about fly ash in the bathtub were true, that doesn't prove that fly ash was used in the upper floors, and it doesn't prove that there were iron microspheres in the fly ash. So your claims are two degrees removed from reality.

 
At 18 December, 2011 13:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...I don't have to prove anything."

This is a perfect example of why you flunked out of junior college.

I gave my argument for the presence of fly ash-based concrete in vivid detail--including expert testimony.

Debate requires that if you disagree with my position that YOU must provide evidence to the contrary. So far, you've offered not one iota of evidence to disprove my argument. FACT: Nay-saying and bald-faced lies are not "evidence."

This is freshman-level critical thinking, goat fucker. Yet, you seem incapable of grasping even the simplest concept.

Why is that, goat fucker?

Next, time you post to this thread, instead of wasting SLC's bandwidth with squealspam and lies, try to present evidence from a credible source. So far, you have nothing. ZIP. NADA. ZILCH. ZERO.

And remember, goat fucker, the 100% fact-free opinion of a sex predator, compulsive liar and college dropout who wears women's underwear is NOT evidence.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 18 December, 2011 13:40, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I didn't flunk out of anywhere. You live in a fantasy world of imagined superiority.

I don't have to provide any evidence at all--simply point out that you don't prove your case. Did you never hear of a "motion for directed verdict"? You are making claims that you can't prove. It is not my job to disprove them, but simply to point out that you have not proved them.

 
At 18 December, 2011 13:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...I don't have to provide any evidence at all...[blah][blah][blah]."

It's no secret, goat fucker, that you hold your worthless, unscientific and unprofessional opinion in high esteem, the rest of us, however, see your style of "debate" for what it is: Squealing and lying without providing a scintilla of evidence.

The rules of debate, however, don't change simply because a sex predator, college dropout and compulsive liar who wears women's underwear rejects them.

Stop wasting SLC's bandwidth and provide evidence to substantiate your position, or adios, pendejo!

Is that simple enough for you, cretin?:

 
At 18 December, 2011 15:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, there is no need for me to debate when you have no case. When your claims are baseless claims, I
have no need or obligation to disprove them.

All you have is wishful thinking and a desperate wish to be right about something--anything! Please, Dear God! Just Once!

 
At 18 December, 2011 15:49, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...there is no need for me to debate when you have no case. When your claims are baseless claims, I have no need or obligation to disprove them."

Wrong again, goat fucker.

That a sex predator, college dropout and compulsive liar who wears women's underwear declares a detailed argument "baseless," without presenting evidence to support his 100% fact-free assertion, is hardly convincing.

In fact, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO'S MAKING BASELESS ASSERTIONS.

But, then again, you're incapable of passing a formal examination in elementary logic, so your position is hardly surprising.

After all, every time you present evidence in support of your baseless conspiracy theories, the evidence is proven to be either specious or fraudulent.

Why is that, goat fucker?

Is it any wonder that you steadfastly refuse to substantiate your idiotic position?

Probably not.

So when do you plan to stop spamming the blog with squealspam and present evidence to support your position?

I know, when Hell Freezes over. Right, goat fucker?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 18 December, 2011 16:45, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"MGF, an F-16 can fly as 1500 mph. Some Cessna. "

Weeeeee!

An unarmed F-16 is equally worthless as a Cessna. I'd suggest you ask an Air Force pilot but I know they threaten your manhood.

"The pilot of a Boeing may not know if the F-16 is armed or not."

I can think of 4 pilots of 767s in the air on 9/11 who wouldn't have given a flying fuck.

"Besides, raking the Boeing's cockpit with lowered landing gear would be a pretty effective way of delivering a message to the hijackers."

So suicide attackers would have changed their minds? No wonder Carol wants nothing to do with you.

Also, the actual F-16 pilots in the air that day were planning to ram on of the wings to bring the plane down (because they only had wax bullets).

"It only takes one F-16 to intercept an airliner, and coordination with the ground is not an issue. Your attempts to defend the indefensible are blatant."

Coordoination is everything. ANY jet fighter cannot identify a target using radar alone without visual ID. That F-15 which shot down the two Army Blackhawks had no independant knowledge of his targets. He was vectored in by an under-trained AWACS crew.

I would point out the whole idea behind intercepts in the first place is to get human eyes on a radar target. Why? Radar has limitations.

I'm not defending anything. You're the cunt trying to crucify a system you and people who think like you created, and forced honest people to try to work under.

"FAA told the fighters where to look--even in the case of flight 11 they told NORAD the plane was 30 miles north of JFK. "

In the case for AA11 Boston alerted Otis ANG Base at Cape Cod at 8:34. It took 12 minutes to get the planes in the air. That was 8:46 am. At 8:46:30 AA77 strikes the North Tower.

In what universe was intercept possible?

Retard.

"Intercepting an aircraft was routine."

Yeah, in the 1980s. By 2001 not so much. Some commands along the Gulf Of Mexico still intercepted drug trafficing aircraft, but again this was/is done with coordination with airborne and ground radars.

"Presence of nerve gas has nothing to do with the issue. The fact is that NORAD drilled on the airliner-into-WTC scenario."

Nerve gas had everything to do with it. They needed to intercept and down the plane far enpough out to sea to avoid mass casualties.

We trained at Fort Ord to invade Peru in 1990. Doesn't mean it happened.

 
At 18 December, 2011 17:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, your argument is baseless. You have no proof that the concrete floors in the WTC used fly ash, and no proof that it contained iron microspheres if they did.

Your repeated lies about me only go to show that you have no respect for truth.


MGF, by your logic a CHP interceptor is useless if the officer forgot to bring shells for his shotgun. Tell me, how many times when you've been pulled over by police officers have you demanded that they demonstrate that they have ammunition?

You have no way of knowing what was in the mind of the pilots of the Boeings in the air. If they were in fact fanatical Muslims aiming for a nice career in the afterlife they would have been very reluctant to be responsible for the deaths of innocent women and children for no reason at all. Suicide was not the point. Hitting the target was the point. If they were shown that they had no hope of reaching the target, they would have every reason to give up.

If F-16 pilots in the air that day were planning to ram the wings to bring the plane down that only proves my point--they did not need to be armed to force the plane to land.

Coordination is assumed. Coordination is not an issue because they have coordination whether there are 5 fighters in the air or 50. Your force cuts did not remove coordination, so it's not an issue.

You certainly are defending incompetence and lies, and you're doing so because according to your cowardly and perverted ideology, that's what we should expect from our government.

According to the Bronner article the F-15s at Otis were ready to go at 8:40 but they weren't allowed to take off until 8:45. In what universe was intercept of flight 175 impossible? A universe in which 1800-mph aircraft fly at 500 mph in response to an attack.

Intercepting aircraft was routine. There were 67 scrambles between 9/00 and 6/01.

Training to invade Peru in 1990 doesn't mean it happened, but if some fool tries to claim nobody ever imagined invading Peru it shows them for a liar, doesn't it?

 
At 18 December, 2011 18:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...your argument is baseless. You have no proof that the concrete floors in the WTC used fly ash, and no proof that it contained iron microspheres if they did."

That's right, goat fucker, accuse me of making baseless assertions while your entire "argument" is based on baseless assertions.

Good little troofer Nazi. Always accuse your opponent of the crimes YOU commit.

FACT: I've proven over-and-over again that fly ash is nothing more than iron-rich microspheres.

FACT: I've proven that fly ash was used to build the WTC towers. I've also proven that fly ash-based concrete is the only concrete used to build skyscrapers.

And anyone who reads to comments up-thread can see that I'm telling the truth, while you lie through your terracotta teeth.

Of course, all of this is lost on you, because you're a neo-fascist liar and a psychopath.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 18 December, 2011 18:49, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"You have no way of knowing what was in the mind of the pilots of the Boeings in the air."

Actually I do. They left letters and videos stating their intentions.

"If they were in fact fanatical Muslims aiming for a nice career in the afterlife they would have been very reluctant to be responsible for the deaths of innocent women and children for no reason at all."

Not true.

We know this is not true because they DID MURDER INNCOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN ON 9/11/2001.

Ask the widows, retard.


"Suicide was not the point."

Yeah it pretty much was, as witnessed by their committing suicide.


" Hitting the target was the point. If they were shown that they had no hope of reaching the target, they would have every reason to give up."

Like the hijackers of United 93?

Brian you just fall apart when discussing reality.

"MGF, by your logic a CHP interceptor is useless if the officer forgot to bring shells for his shotgun. "

No. A CHP cruiser is not an Air Force jet fighter. Plus the last time I checked the CHP would have a hard time pulling over a 767 at 36000 feet even with a shotgun.

"Tell me, how many times when you've been pulled over by police officers have you demanded that they demonstrate that they have ammunition?"

I've never been pulled over by the CHP. Plus I'm a law-abiding citizen, so it's not the gun I respect, it's the badge. However if I were on a suicide mission I'm not pulling over without a fight and I'm going to try to take Mr. CHP with me.

Luckily I'll never be on a suicide mission.

"Coordination is assumed."

No, coordination is a varified fact, retard.

"Coordination is not an issue because they have coordination..."

What the fuck, retard? Either they have coordination or they don't. If coordination is not an issue then why do they have it? Dumb dumb dumb.

"...whether there are 5 fighters in the air or 50. Your force cuts did not remove coordination, so it's not an issue."

Yes it does. Force cuts limit training, limited training affects quality. Dher.

"You certainly are defending incompetence and lies, and you're doing so because according to your cowardly and perverted ideology, that's what we should expect from our government."

I've never said incompetence should be expected from the government. I say it's what we get at almost every turn. I'm simple stating the obvious to you who are oblivious.

Besides, you and the other troof-tards have made those lies possible through your galactic stupidity.

"According to the Bronner article the F-15s at Otis were ready to go at 8:40 but they weren't allowed to take off until 8:45. In what universe was intercept of flight 175 impossible? A universe in which 1800-mph aircraft fly at 500 mph in response to an attack."

Weeeeee!

Again, dumbfuck, if they can't find the plane on radar they can't get the fighters there. When 175 hit the South tower those F-15s were 71 miles away. Why? Lack of radar coordination.

"Intercepting aircraft was routine. There were 67 scrambles between 9/00 and 6/01. "

Not out of Otis.

 
At 18 December, 2011 23:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, my argument is by no means baseless. My argument eschews all theories (thermite, attack baboons, what have you) and sticks to provable facts.

Your claim that "fly ash is nothing more than iron-rich microspheres" is typical UtterFail absurdity.

Your claims that fly ash was used to build the WTC towers and that fly ash-based concrete is the only concrete used to build skyscrapers have no support whatsoever.

MGF, you have no way of knowing what was in the mind of the pilots of the Boeings in the air.

I never said a CHP cruiser is an Air Force jet fighter. But just as an accidentally-unarmed CHP cruiser would have no problem intimidating a wrong-doer on the freeway, so an unarmed F-15 would have no problem intimidating an airliner, especially if it threatened to rake its landing gear across the cockpit of the airliner.

You have many times revealed your attitude that government is inherently incompetent.

Dumbfuck, it was known that Project Bojinka called for airliner attacks on landmark buildings, it was known that the WTC was a primary target. As soon as it was known there was a hijacked plane in NEADS, the assumption that the WTC was the target was justified.

When 175 hit the South tower those F-15s were 71 miles away. Why? Because they flew at less than 500 mph when they could have flown at 1800 mph.

 
At 18 December, 2011 23:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

1800 mph is 30 miles a minute.

 
At 19 December, 2011 01:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker brays, "...ButtGale, my argument is by no means baseless. My argument eschews all theories (thermite, attack baboons, what have you) and sticks to provable facts."

False. You're a liar. Would you like me to dig up the direct quotes that prove you're a liar?

The goat fucker brays, "...Your claim that 'fly ash is nothing more than iron-rich microspheres' is typical UtterFail absurdity."

False.

And, of course, your argument is substantiated by what? Yep, 100% fact-free opinion and baseless assertions. Par for the course.

The goat fucker brays, "...Your claims that fly ash was used to build the WTC towers and that fly ash-based concrete is the only concrete used to build skyscrapers have no support whatsoever."

Wrong! The evidence for the presence of fly ash in the WTC concrete is supported by the article from ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, dated 31 October 1968. That a lunatic, sex predator, college dropout and World-class liar who wears women's underwear rejects the evidence doesn't mean much. And especially so when one considers that the aforementioned World-class liar has no real argument to defend his 100% fact-free opinion.

FAIL.

 
At 19 December, 2011 08:57, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

I saw that someone put a restraining order on Brian. It was a woman of course.

 
At 19 December, 2011 09:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, I don't care if you dig up quotes or not. Since you've shown yourself to incompetent to comprehend the quotes you do present, it's meaningless. But go ahead, knock yourself out.

Fly ash != iron microspheres. Any idiot can find that out in a few seconds.

Your claim about ENR is ludicrous. The quotes you present, even if they are genuine (and that's a big IF, given that you cite a holocaust-denier website), are only talking about the bathtub.

I have an argument. You make claims you can't prove, and you pretend that you have proven them.

Give it up, ButtGale. You're not equipped for this. Maybe you should put more energy into your music career.

TAW, you're a liar. SLC's behavior in allowing you to post libels on another thread and then closing comments so I couldn't respond is hilarious.

 
At 19 December, 2011 10:19, Blogger Ian said...

Good to see that another weekend has passed with Brian doing nothing but babbling about his delusions of how the Air Force operates and about how iron is not iron.

So, did you get a new investigation yet, Brian? Did you get the widows questions answered? Did "meatball on a fork" get published in a journal yet?

It's been over 10 years. One would think you would have made some progress on these fronts.

 
At 19 December, 2011 10:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, we've made progress on all fronts. I never said iron is not iron. You lie and lie and lie.

I have no delusions about how the Air Force operates. My knowledge of how it operates is based on its operations in the past, and on its drills. I expect the Air Force to be fairly responsive to situations for which it has drilled--such as attacks by airliners on the WTC.

 
At 19 December, 2011 10:30, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, we've made progress on all fronts. I never said iron is not iron. You lie and lie and lie.

Three lies right here.

Oh, you've made progress? Can you send me a link to the answers for all the widows questions? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Of course, the truth movement has made some progress in expelling lunatic liars from the movement. That's why you were kicked out. The movement doesn't want you associated with it when it needs serious researchers like Bill Deagle and Jim Fetzer.

I have no delusions about how the Air Force operates. My knowledge of how it operates is based on its operations in the past, and on its drills. I expect the Air Force to be fairly responsive to situations for which it has drilled--such as attacks by airliners on the WTC.

Thanks for proving my point. You know as much about the Air Force as we would expect a failed janitor who wears women's underwear and believes in modified attack baboons to know.

 
At 19 December, 2011 10:31, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

TAW, you're a liar. SLC's behavior in allowing you to post libels on another thread and then closing comments so I couldn't respond is hilarious.

You can't respond because you know it's the truth. You are a very contradictory maggot, aren't you?

such as attacks by airliners on the WTC.

Brian's showing some signs of intelligence.

 
At 19 December, 2011 11:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...I don't care if you dig up quotes or not. Since you've shown yourself to incompetent to comprehend the quotes you do present, it's meaningless. But go ahead, knock yourself out."

False.

The goat fucker squeals, "...Fly ash != iron microspheres. Any idiot can find that out in a few seconds."

Says the idiot who claims the iron-rich and alumino-silicate mimcrospheres found at Ground Zero are alleged "elemental iron."

What's this, goat fucker?

"...Oxygen is a major component of almost all the iron-aluminum spheres in the WTC dust I have studied--often the PRINCIPAL component." -- Steven E. Jones.

Steven E. Jones, says you're full-of-shit, goat fucker. Now go for it, throw Jones under the bus--you lying turncoat.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And how do you explain all the Si peak in Jones' EDX dust spectra?

Silicon is NOT a byproduct of thermite, thermate or "nanothermite."

Fly ash includes substantial amounts of silicon dioxide (SiO2), both amorphous and crystalline. You're not very smart, are you?

And why does Jones' EDX spectra for his dust samples look exactly like fly ash spectra? Oh, that's right! You can't read EDX spectra. You're not very smart, are you?

I'm sure you'll happily produce the spectra that supports your elemental iron to Ground Zero malarkey.

Now, go for it, goat fucker. Try to pass off iron-rich microspheres as "elemental iron."

FAIL.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Your claim about ENR is ludicrous. The quotes you present, even if they are genuine (and that's a big IF, given that you cite a holocaust-denier website), are only talking about the bathtub.
"


I found the ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD article at the Sunnyvale Public Library in the electronic archives.

When I did a search of the web to find a reproduction of the article I found only two websites: guardian.150m.com and 911research.wtc7.net.

Here's the PROOF that there are only two websites that have the ENR article:

PROOF--there are only two sources of the ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD article on the web.

And we have more proof that you're a liar.

So what was I supposed to link to, goat fucker? The ether?

FAIL.

Get back to me when you have something more than bald-faced lies and your worthless opinion.

You can start by PROVING that ENR didn't write the article. So far, you have nothing. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO.

Then you can prove that all the quotations from the expert witnesses that I provided up-thread in support of my argument are in error. And there are many expert witness testimonials for you to [cough] "debunk." So you need to get to work. Because, so far, you have nothing. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO.

And what have you presented to support your "argument"? Answer: Absolutely nothing.

Why is that, goat fucker?

FAIL.

 
At 19 December, 2011 14:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I'm not going to jump through your slimy hoops. You so habitually quote-mine and mischaracterize your material I don't even read it any more.

And whenever you tell me what I said, you lie. I never characterized alumino-silicate spheres as elemental iron. Such buffoonery is your job. There's no point in arguing with someone who's so ignorant he's ignorant of his ignorance.

 
At 19 December, 2011 14:45, Blogger Ian said...

UtterFail, I'm not going to jump through your slimy hoops. You so habitually quote-mine and mischaracterize your material I don't even read it any more.

My, such squealing!

Brian, if you can't even take the time to debunk GuitarBill, how will you ever get the widows questions answered?

And whenever you tell me what I said, you lie. I never characterized alumino-silicate spheres as elemental iron. Such buffoonery is your job. There's no point in arguing with someone who's so ignorant he's ignorant of his ignorance.

So you're going to run away squealing and crying from this blog much as you ran away squealing and crying from debate challenges from Rodriguez and Ranke?

 
At 19 December, 2011 15:49, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...I'm not going to jump through your slimy hoops. You so habitually quote-mine and mischaracterize [SIC] your material I don't even read it any more."

Good job, spelling bee champ.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Translation from goat fuckerspeak: GuitarBill just proved that the iron-rich microspheres, which I constantly try to pass off as "elemental iron" or "iron microspheres" are fly ash. And Steven E. Jones' "research" (to say nothing of the RL Lee Report) proves that I'm wrong.

FAIL.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...And whenever you tell me what I said, you lie. I never characterized alumino-silicate spheres as elemental iron. Such buffoonery is your job. There's no point in arguing with someone who's so ignorant he's ignorant of his ignorance."

False.

What's this, goat fucker?

"...UtterFail, thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres." -- The Goat Fucker, 14 December, 2011 16:36, from James B's thread titled "Lawyers for 9/11 Tru... Oh look, a Squirrel!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No, you would never claim that "thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres," would you, goat fucker.

But that's not what Jones' "research" tell us, does it--you neo-fascist liar?

And that's not what the RJ Lee Report tells us, does it--you neo-fascist liar?

FUCK YOU, goat fucker.

Once again, YOU LOSE--you science illiterate cretin.

Now, run away with your tail between your spindly legs--you COWARDLY neo-fascist liar.

FAIL.

So goat fucker, when do you plan to apologize for lying to us about the source of the alleged "iron microspheres"?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 
At 19 December, 2011 16:08, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"MGF, you have no way of knowing what was in the mind of the pilots of the Boeings in the air."

I do. I know what they did on 9/11. I know their organization's MO, and their extensive track record. Those pilots had no intentions of landing their planes (as per the whole not-learning-to-land at flight school thing).

 
At 19 December, 2011 16:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...I never characterized alumino-silicate spheres as elemental iron. Such buffoonery is your job."

Really? No kidding?

Would you care to provide a hyperlink to a direct quote that proves that I tried to characterize "alumino-silicate spheres as elemental iron"?

You can't?

Then may I suggest that you STFU--you neo-fascist liar.

The "buffoonery" is yours and yours alone, goat fucker.

For example,

"...UtterFail, thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres." -- The Goat Fucker, 14 December 2011 16:36, from James B's thread titled "Lawyers for 9/11 Tru... Oh look, a Squirrel!"

And what's this, goat fucker?

"...The RJ Lee Report that discovered the iron microspheres, for instance, came out of the damage to the Bankers Trust Building." -- The Goat Fucker, 14 December, 2011 16:36, from James B's thread titled "Hell No I Ain't Reading No White Paper!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No, you would NEVER try to pass off iron-rich microspheres as elemental iron, while you try to tout the bullshit "thermite" demolition theory, would you, goat fucker?

Now, lie to us and try to claim that "iron microspheres" are the same as iron-rich microspheres.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

So who's guilty of "buffoonery"?

Take a good, long look in the mirror--you neo-fascist liar.

FUCK YOU, goat fucker.

Once again, YOU LOSE--you science illiterate cretin.

Now, run away with your tail between your spindly legs--you COWARDLY neo-fascist liar.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 19 December, 2011 16:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...I never characterized alumino-silicate spheres as elemental iron. Such buffoonery is your job."

Really? No kidding?

What's this, goat fucker?

"...The evidence of thermite was the presence of molten iron, the molten metal pouring out of WTC2 shortly before it came down, the sulfidation attacks on the Appendix C steel, the presence of exothermic mixtures of aluminum and iron in the dust, the presence of iron microspheres in the dust, and the symmetry and speed and totality of collapse." -- The Goat Fucker, 25 March 2011 10:08, from Pat's thread titled "Joshua Blakeny: Israel Did It (Maybe)"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No, you would NEVER try to pass off iron-rich microspheres as elemental iron, while you try to tout the bullshit "thermite" demolition theory, would you, goat fucker?

So who's guilty of "buffoonery"?

Take a good, long look in the mirror--you neo-fascist liar.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now, run away with your tail between your spindly legs--you COWARDLY neo-fascist liar.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 19 December, 2011 16:29, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"But just as an accidentally-unarmed CHP cruiser would have no problem intimidating a wrong-doer on the freeway, so an unarmed F-15 would have no problem intimidating an airliner"

Ironically this is where your psychosis mirrors the Al Qaeda hijackers (hence your reflexive defense of their actions). A suicide attacker would not be intimidated by the CHP, much less an F-15. There is plenty of real-world evidence from last year's shooting of a CHP officer by a deranged troofer/anti-government douche bag in Sacramento, to the actions of Al Qaeda fighters charging Abrams M-1 tanks on foot armed only with an AK-47.

So none of the hijackers would have been intimidated by US fighters had any intercept been made.


"You have many times revealed your attitude that government is inherently incompetent."

It's not my attitude, it's just observation. Just because your disability check arrives in your bank account on time doesn't mean a whole lot of screw ups happen every day.

"Dumbfuck, it was known that Project Bojinka called for airliner attacks on landmark buildings, it was known that the WTC was a primary target."

That was in 1995, dumbfuck, and the plan - as carried out - was to blow up airliners over the Pacific. They discussed other targets in Pakistan, France, the UK, and CIA HQ along with nuke plants in the US.

Bojinka was foiled after the the capture of Abdul Hakim Murad. So it was long dead by 2001.


As soon as it was known there was a hijacked plane in NEADS, the assumption that the WTC was the target was justified.

 
At 19 December, 2011 23:27, Blogger snug.bug said...

You haven't proved beans, ButtGale. "mischaracterize" os a perfectly good word.

Thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres, and Dr. Jones's research shows that. You have a habit of linking unrelated facts as if one proved the other.

MGF, your belief that you know what is inside the head of someone you don't know is very stupid.

MGF, a kamikaze hijacker who's willing to die to hit the target would not necessarily be willing to die for nothing--let alone kill dozens of innocent women and children for nothing. You guys don't think this through.

Project Bojinka phase two involved flying hijacked airliners into landmark buildings, including the Pentagon, WTC, Sears Tower, and TransAmerica Pyramid. It has been known since 1995.

Bojinka wasn't foiled. It happened on 9/11.

 
At 20 December, 2011 01:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres, and Dr. Jones's research shows that. You have a habit of linking unrelated facts as if one proved the other."

That's not an answer, goat fucker, it's an evasion.

Again, how do you explain the Si (silicon) peaks in all of Jones' samples?

Silicon is not a byproduct of a thermite reaction, nor is it a byproduct of thermate or a "nanothermite" reaction.

Fly ash includes substantial amounts of silicon dioxide (SiO2), both amorphous and crystalline.

How do you explain that phenomenon, which is supported by Jones' "research," goat fucker?

And why does Jones' spectra match the spectra for fly ash?

Stop the evasion--you lying sack-of shit. Answer the question, goat fucker.

You wouldn't throw a super troofer like Steven E. Jones under the bus, would you, goat fucker?

Of course you would throw him under the bus in a microsecond if you thought you could gain an advantage from the lie. Right, goat fucker?

Hell, you threw your parents and your country under the bus, so why not do the same to Steven E. Jones. Right, goat fucker?

And I don't see one iota of evidence to substantiate your idiotic "argument."

Why is that, goat fucker?

And you're not a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist, either. Right, goat fucker?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Any more 100% fact-free effluent for us, goat fucker?

FAIL.

 
At 20 December, 2011 01:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, not all the samples show Si peaks. You make reckless claims you can not prove.

You think FE is an element instead of a NYSE ticker symbol, and you don't know what you're talking about.

 
At 20 December, 2011 02:04, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...not all the samples show Si peaks. You make reckless claims you can not prove."

Well, if nothing else you're persistent. A persistent liar, that is.

You're lying, goat fucker. The silicon peaks are present in all of the spectra. In fact, silicon, both amorphous and crystalline, was present in ALL of the spectra, as Jones' "research" verifies.

So who didn't read Jones' paper?

I think it's obvious who failed to read Jones' paper--and it wasn't yours truly.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...You think FE is an element...[blah][blah][blah]."

It's not "FE"--you cretin. It's Fe. Is it any wonder that you flunked out of college?

Probably not. After all, you're a science and math illiterate.

Once again, FAIL, goat fucker.

So goat fucker, when do you plan to give up the Ollie North routine, and provide real evidence to substantiate your 100% fact-free assertions, ass?

Yeah, I know, when Hell freezes over. Right--you neo-fascist liar?

Once again, FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 20 December, 2011 06:06, Blogger Ian said...

Thermite has been shown to produce iron microspheres, and Dr. Jones's research shows that. You have a habit of linking unrelated facts as if one proved the other.

Nobody cares.

MGF, your belief that you know what is inside the head of someone you don't know is very stupid.

Is followed immediately by....

MGF, a kamikaze hijacker who's willing to die to hit the target would not necessarily be willing to die for nothing--let alone kill dozens of innocent women and children for nothing. You guys don't think this through.

So we can't get inside the head of Brian despite the years worth of dumbspam he has posted here that show a large variety of mental disorders, but Brian can get inside the heads of the hijackers.

Psychology is another field Brian understands about as well as physics, chemistry, history, politics, and economics. He's an anti-Renaissance man!

Project Bojinka phase two involved flying hijacked airliners into landmark buildings, including the Pentagon, WTC, Sears Tower, and TransAmerica Pyramid. It has been known since 1995.

Nobody cares.

Bojinka wasn't foiled. It happened on 9/11.

So which planes were blown up over the Pacific? One would think that should have made the news.

 
At 20 December, 2011 06:09, Blogger Ian said...

You think FE is an element instead of a NYSE ticker symbol, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Iron is not an element? No wonder you're a failed janitor. It appears you failed high school chemistry because you were sniffing too much glue.

Also, what does FirstEnergy Corp. have to do with any of this? You live in a fantasy world.

 
At 20 December, 2011 11:17, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Brian,

If we're "lying" then simply prove it.

Show us links to your evidence, excluding A&E for 9/11 Truth, editted YouTube videos, quote mined statements from Dr. Sunder and Dr. Astaneh-Asl and other stupid Truther sites you can think of.

You have until the first weekend of Janurary. If you fail it will prove that you're the one lying after all this time.

 
At 20 December, 2011 13:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, you need to specify what paper you're talking about. You provide no sourcing for your bullshit claims.

You said it was FE. Repeatedly. I know it's not FE. I knew that when I was in high school.

Ian, I know that nobody cares about ButtGale's non sequitur and incoherent posts. That's my point.

Ian, I never said I could get inside the heads of the hijackers. I said I couldn't, and MGF can't either. It's just that my ability to conceive of what I don't know is greater than your ability (you and MGF and ButtGale) to conceice of what you don't know. Are you saying that's a bad thing?


Project Bojinka phase two involved flying hijacked airliners into landmark buildings, including the Pentagon, WTC, Sears Tower, and TransAmerica Pyramid. It has been known to US authorities since 1995. It wasn't foiled. It happened on 9/11.


Iron is an element. FE is not. Your jokes are robotic.


TAW, I've proven many times the lies on this board. For you to pretend that I haven't is yet another lie. I didn't quote-mine anybody.

 
At 20 December, 2011 14:02, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, I know that nobody cares about ButtGale's non sequitur and incoherent posts. That's my point.

Well, he's only responding to your pointless babbling. If you weren't around, GuitarBill wouldn't have anyone to respond to.

Ian, I never said I could get inside the heads of the hijackers. I said I couldn't, and MGF can't either. It's just that my ability to conceive of what I don't know is greater than your ability (you and MGF and ButtGale) to conceice of what you don't know. Are you saying that's a bad thing?

Brian, you don't know anything. That's why you're a failed janitor. You think you do know something, which is why you babble incessantly about all the things you don't understand. It's great entertainment.

Project Bojinka phase two involved flying hijacked airliners into landmark buildings, including the Pentagon, WTC, Sears Tower, and TransAmerica Pyramid. It has been known to US authorities since 1995. It wasn't foiled. It happened on 9/11.

False.

Iron is an element. FE is not. Your jokes are robotic.

Fe is the symbol for iron on the periodic table. If you hadn't failed high school chemistry, you'd know this.

TAW, I've proven many times the lies on this board. For you to pretend that I haven't is yet another lie. I didn't quote-mine anybody.

Three more lies from our failed janitor.

 
At 20 December, 2011 14:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The idiot goat fucker dissembles, "...You said it was FE. Repeatedly. I know it's not FE. I knew that when I was in high school."

How many time must explain this to you--you cretin?

Pat Cowardly used "FE sphere" in the "Mapping the Truther Mind" thread.

That's why I put "FE sphere" in quotation marks--you fucking idiot. I was quoting your idiot troofer buddy, Pat Cowardly.

Proof?

What's this, goat fucker?"

"...What does 'FE sphere' mean?" -- Pat Cowardly, 15 December, 2011 12:53, from Pat's thread titled Mapping the Truther Mind (sic)

I'll tell you what it is--you droolin' retard. It's your non-existent "credibility" sliding down the toilet.

Got it--you illiterate liar?

The goat fucker dissembles, "...you need to specify what paper you're talking about. You provide no sourcing for your bullshit claims."

Says the hypocrite who never provides "sourcing" for his "bullshit claims."

What paper do you think I'm talking about--you fuckin' cretin.

I'll bet that I could ask anyone who frequents this forum to tell me what paper I'm talking about, and they could tell me--WITHOUT MAKING AN ERROR--on the first guess.

Well, if nothing else, you're consistent--consistently an idiot, that is.

FAIL.

 
At 20 December, 2011 17:52, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Just to keep score on Brian for 2011:

Iron (Fe) is not an element.

Brian is telepathic.

The US Air Force is both psychic and telepathic hence making radar obsolete.

The US Government runs smoothly, has highly trained professionals at every level who'd never place their career ahead of the safety of the population.

We can trust some things an expert says, but not everything because that would be silly.

The NIST report is not reliable except when it is.

Charlie Sheen WINNING nominee for sure.

 
At 20 December, 2011 18:07, Blogger Ian said...

The US Air Force is both psychic and telepathic hence making radar obsolete.

If the Air Force (and presumably, the Army Air Corps before it) is telepathic and psychic, why did we ever need radar?

Note that radar was introduced right before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Of course. Roosevelt wanted to make sure nobody could see the attack coming through telepathic powers. INSIDE JOB!!!!!

 

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