Tuesday, July 18, 2006

McNutty McKinney in Runoff

I have to admit, my political prognosticating skills were off on this one; the only Member of Congress who's seen Loose Change (according to Dylan) is now facing a runoff for the Democratic nomination for her district. Go, Hank (Johnson), go!

McKinney became infamous in 2002 for voicing 9-11 truthiness and then losing her congressional seat to Denise Majette. Unfortunately Majette decided to try to step up to the Senate in 2004, giving the House back its nuttiest member:


At 19 July, 2006 03:46, Blogger shawn said...

omg the food and bomb look the same!

Hey, don't forget she hit a cop and then played the race card.

At 19 July, 2006 05:06, Blogger apathoid said...

This was quite a pleasant suprise.

It was supposed to be one of those 42-7 college football games, but its going to overtime instead. My faith in humanity has been somewhat restored(until the Spooked911 post comes up)

At 19 July, 2006 05:47, Blogger debunking911 said...

Go back and read her comment. As far as I know she NEVER said Bush blew anything up. The truth movement is lying about what she said.

"We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th,"

Yes there was, this is in the 9/11 report

"What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? . . . What do they have to hide?"

This was pre-9/11 commission and pre-aug 6th PDB release. At the time he didn't want the investigation or release of the Aug 6th PDB. THAT'S what she was talking about. Both the right and the left have twisted her words to fit their world view. The only conspiracy she believes in is the one to cover up incompetence.

"McKinney was making a reasonable point when she argued in April that: "We deserve to know what went wrong on September 11 and why. After all, we hold thorough public inquiries into rail disasters, plane crashes, and even natural disasters in order to understand what happened and to prevent them from happening again or minimizing the tragic effects when they do. Why then does the Administration remain steadfast in its opposition to an investigation into the biggest terrorism attack upon our nation?" "


That was from 05/19/2002.

I hope screw loose change doesn't fall into the same trap the ct are.

Shes being used by both sides.

At 19 July, 2006 06:22, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like hey man, I mean, like what's that picture all about. Yesterday over at the "official" loose change blog spot, there was a press release that said the voting machines voted for the opposite candidate. I mean, but now McKinney has more votes - so did she not get more votes or did the other guy not get more votes?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.

Just call me Mohammed Atta's Alibi!

At 19 July, 2006 07:38, Blogger ScottSl said...

While she may not of said that Bush blew stuff up she's a huge Mike Ruppert supporter and has worked with him from time to time. Ruppert doesn't believe in the demo ideas either.
She has made it well known that she believes many 9/11 CT ideas.

At 19 July, 2006 08:01, Blogger Pat said...

Debunking911, the issue that sank McKinney was the "what did the President know and when did he know it?" bit. That was clearly an intentional echo of Watergate.

At 19 July, 2006 08:18, Blogger debunking911 said...

Scottsl, can you show me that? Because that's what I hear but have yet to see evidence of it.

At 19 July, 2006 08:32, Blogger debunking911 said...

Pat, what does that have to do with the CTs. Your right but in the context of the time she was trying to get an investigation. (9/11 commission) NO ONE KNEW what Bush knew at the time. That was the point. It was plastered onto every front page in america. "Bush knew" remember?

It's the context we are talking about here.

Don't think that just because shes a liberal I'm defending her. I'm not. Bowman is a dem and I can't stand his lying ass. If I thought for a moment she was a CT I would tell you.

Evidence is the fact that she hasn't joined the truth movement as Bowman has.

At 19 July, 2006 08:59, Blogger ScottSl said...


At 19 July, 2006 09:53, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Dylan is that you?

At 19 July, 2006 10:05, Blogger Pat said...

Hmmmm, that story is suggestive, Scottsl, but not dispositive. Debunking, you may be changing my mind here. I still don't like McKinney, but it is certainly strongly arguable that her comments fall short of LIHOP and are nowhere near MIHOP. Dylan did claim that she's seen LC though.

At 19 July, 2006 10:12, Blogger ScottSl said...

She's LIHOP. Here's more, she doesn't out right say she's believes for certain, but she clearly is an echo chamber for their believes.

At 19 July, 2006 10:34, Blogger debunking911 said...

Scottsl, I want the investigation too. Many people want to find out how the president used the intel. To better illustrte this go here...


Am I a CT?

Congress was shut down by the dems over this.


The 9/11 commission never went into how he used intel. Wiether you believe it should be investigated or not is not the point. the point is the context is different than what the lying CT's said.

At 19 July, 2006 10:50, Blogger ScottSl said...

Her statements suggest far more long after the 9/11 commision report. Did you get my PM.
Her tone has only gotten stronger after the commission report. Google her.

At 19 July, 2006 11:12, Blogger Pat said...

Debunking, that is a separate issue--the Senate Intelligence Committee was looking into pre-Iraq War intelligence, not pre-911 intelligence.

Scottsl, I agree, if she's holding "hearings" with evidence from CTers like Ruppert and Nafeez Ahmed, she's either a CTer herself or playing coy.

At 19 July, 2006 11:17, Blogger ScottSl said...

At the hearing she co chaired they also showed Barrie Zwicker's film, "The Great Conspiracy."

At 19 July, 2006 11:30, Blogger debunking911 said...

I got your PM and sent you some back scott. :)

You are reading something from a conspiracy theory site. you KNOW how they word things to get mileage out of them.

The congress was shut down over a POST 9/11 investigation not being done as promised by the republicans. It has nothing to do with CTs. The CT have been conflating this with their call for investigations.

As I said, I STILL want an investigation and I haven't changed my tone post 9/11 commission either.

The only thing which will convince me is a quote from her saying "I believe the president knew EXACTLY what was going to happen on 9/11 and did nothing.

That CTs lump anyone calling for investigations together is just more proof CT's will lie about anyting.

I know you believe it but I just need proof. It's why I'm not a CT. :)

At the same time I'm sure shes milking the CT's for votes and campaign helpers the same way O. Hatch (R) milked the conspiracy theorist during Clintons time on office. He wanted investigations because he "Didn't know" if Clinton sold missile tech to China. He KNEW the companies were responsible for guarding the technology.

You know the game. ;)

At 19 July, 2006 11:43, Blogger ScottSl said...

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At 19 July, 2006 11:44, Blogger ScottSl said...

"The only thing which will convince me is a quote from her saying "I believe the president knew EXACTLY what was going to happen on 9/11 and did nothing."

I doubt you'll see that any time soon.
In the mean time she's going to continue to sponsor "hearings" with David Ray Griffin, Paul Thompson, Mike Rupport, Barrie Zwicker, Daniel Hopsicker, Mathias Broeckers, etc. and appear on CT DVD's.

At 19 July, 2006 12:39, Blogger asdf said...

Look at 9/11 truth sites. On the front of them, it's mostly evidence, news reports and scholarly articles. Then have a look over to Screw Loose Change...and it's personal attacks, childish insults, and pathetic lies being spread by little babies about to wet themselves. Two words- FUCK. YOU.

At 19 July, 2006 12:57, Blogger undense said...

The previous dose of your daily minimum recommended daily allowance of irony is courtesy of the inexorable.

At 19 July, 2006 13:02, Blogger shawn said...

Then have a look over at the Loose Change forums...and it's personal attacks, childish insults, and pathetic lies being spread by little babies about to wet themselves.YOU

Fixed it for you.

At 19 July, 2006 13:11, Blogger James B. said...

Then have a look over to Screw Loose Change...and it's personal attacks, childish insults, and pathetic lies being spread by little babies about to wet themselves.

I swear, hell will freeze over before any of the Loosers ever actually point out a single thing that we have ever lied about. I have created entire posts challenging them to, and they still can't respond.

At 19 July, 2006 14:01, Blogger Alex said...

I have created entire posts challenging them to, and they still can't respond.

You're just wrong....BECAUSE! Like, ok?

As for McKinney, I never heard about her (possibly) being a CT nut, but ever since the assault-and-race-card incident, I haven't exactly been a huge fan of hers.

At 19 July, 2006 14:02, Blogger debunking911 said...

Sponsoring a hearing is far different than saying she believe it. That's like saying Elliot Spitzer believes the CT's because he sent their petitions to congress.


I believe shes just trolling for vote like they all do. I could be wrong but I just don't see evidence outside bias places. The republicans did it and more during Clinton.

At 19 July, 2006 14:03, Blogger apathoid said...

Wow. My head started to smoke after reading that, Inexorable.

(Disconnected each of the logic, reason and sanity I/O ports and shut down the left hemisphere of my brain..)

Look at 9/11 truth sites. On the front of them, it's mostly evidence, news reports and scholarly articles. Then have a look over to Screw Loose Change...and it's personal attacks, childish insults, and pathetic lies being spread by little babies about to wet themselves. Two words- FUCK. YOU.

Ahhh, that makes more sense. I couldnt agree more.

(Reinstalled logic, reason and sanity I/O ports, rebooted left hemisphere and translated..)

Look at 9/11 "Truth" sites. On the front of them, it's mostly speculation, indy media hacks spreading blatant misinformation, and nutty articles. Then have a look over to Screw Loose Change...and it's thoughful musings, the pointing out of major character flaws and lies of members of the Truth movement, and informing articles being put forth by sane, mature and intelligent folks who are taking a stand in the name of real Truth. Two words- GREAT JOB.

Ahhh, thats more like it.

At 19 July, 2006 14:04, Blogger debunking911 said...

I agree alex, She screwed up with me there too.

At 19 July, 2006 14:34, Blogger ScottSl said...

If Spitzer continued to sponser CT "hearings", hosted consipracy movies, appeared on CT DVD's talked about alive hijackers, carlyle group, etc etc. Then I would think the same thing about him.

I don't think its the same at all here.

At 19 July, 2006 14:53, Blogger ScottSl said...


Dubbed “The Omission Hearings,” today’s panel was hosted by former Congresswoman and fulltime rebel rouser Cynthia McKinney. McKinney opened by saying, “I’m finally on a commission where it’s alright to ask questions.” She added, “We have no political ideology but the truth. The truth about America’s tragedy belongs to all of us.”

Also testifying were:
Barrie Zwicker
Michael Ruppert
Nicholas Levis from 911Truth.org

At 19 July, 2006 16:01, Blogger debunking911 said...

She talked about alive hijackers? Can you find the clip?

At 19 July, 2006 16:06, Blogger ScottSl said...

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At 19 July, 2006 16:08, Blogger ScottSl said...


Here is an intro. She's a little more tame here.

At 19 July, 2006 16:23, Blogger debunking911 said...

MAHER: I mean, you were the one – I don’t actually agree with this, but you said that President Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand. I didn’t think he knew about it after! [laughter] [applause] [cheers]

McKINNEY: [she laughs] [pause] [laughter]

MAHER: But tell me what you meant by that. About how – why did he…

McKINNEY: Well, we’re still trying to figure out what our president knows. [laughter] But—

MAHER: But why did you think he knew about it beforehand?

McKINNEY: Well, actually, what I said was that there were warnings that came into the administration. And I didn’t personally identify the president as having received those warnings. But the administration consists of the president, the vice president—

MAHER: Right.

McKINNEY: --and all of the secretaries as well. And so that’s what I was talking about. And now, just last week, we had Al Gore say the same thing. Not only has Al Gore said it, the 9/11 Commission has said it, all of the 9/11 scholars, academicians and researchers have said it. The international newspapers around the world at the time that the story was unfolding have said it. And so I just happened to be the first one to say it. And unfortunately, I had to suffer, you know, what comes to those who speak first.


At 19 July, 2006 16:33, Blogger ScottSl said...

She doesn't seem to deny much.

Gore isn't saying the same things she is.
Thats crazy.
She's trying to whitewash. Is Gore working with the 9/11 truth movement? Holding these meetings with Rupport, Griffin, hosting CT events?

Come on....

At 19 July, 2006 16:33, Blogger debunking911 said...

OK, That was the kind of evidence I needed. It's not 100% but it's good. She could be playing it up for the CT's in the crowd though, but I don't like how shes asking questions as if she knows the answer already. A sign of a CT.

At 19 July, 2006 16:35, Blogger debunking911 said...

BTW, CTs weren't the only ones at the meeting. The Jersey Girls and others who aren't CTs were present.

At 19 July, 2006 16:36, Blogger debunking911 said...

Hearing I should have said..

At 19 July, 2006 16:36, Blogger ScottSl said...

Do you honestly believe these statments from her?

"Nearly 4 years, and 2 wars later, we still have no official statement from the Bush administration on the specifics of who did it, who aided and financed them or what their origins are."

At 19 July, 2006 17:04, Blogger shawn said...

Scott, I can't remember where I read or heard it, but I've seen a similar statement elsewhere. I'm almost positive it was the written word.

Ah, just clicked. Gore Vidal.

At 19 July, 2006 17:13, Blogger ScottSl said...

Gore Vidal seems to have a habit of tapping into the CT cottage industry.

He also supported Robert Stinnett's Pearl Harbor CT book.

At 19 July, 2006 17:30, Blogger debunking911 said...

Shes talking about the saudis.


In general terms it included the details of why we [on the committee] had raised suspicion that the Saudi government and various representatives of Saudi interests had supported some of the hijackers -- and might have supported all of them. My own personal conclusion was that the evidence of official Saudi support for at least two of the terrorists in San Diego was, as one CIA agent said, incontrovertible.

So she may be right, Do we really know if Bin Ladin alone supported the hijackers?

At 19 July, 2006 17:54, Blogger debunking911 said...

As I PM'd you, I do see shes carefully crafting her words so they can be taken either way. While I'm not 100% convinced shes a CT (About 60% now) I am 100% convinced shes feeding the fires. That's enough for me.

Thanks for the info. This has been enlightening. :)

At 19 July, 2006 18:57, Blogger ScottSl said...

No prob buddy...

At 20 July, 2006 20:15, Blogger shawn said...

Race card - free ride for life

At 23 July, 2006 23:18, Blogger Decider said...

Let's see trying to find the truth about 9/11 or investigating a blow-job? Which is more important? Maybe if her name was Linda Trip we could beieve her.


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