Troy Battles the Idiocy
Our frequent commenter Troy gets on the radio with Alex Jones and gives him a good hide-whipping:
Great job, Troy! This is compelling radio. I don't like Jones at all, but the conflict is terrific.
posted by Pat @ 5:37 PM
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Again, off topic. My apologies to all. But:
http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/008105.html#008105
Quote:
"HONOLULU (Routers) Five years after the sinking of the battleships in Pearl Harbor, many still question the official government story of what happened on that fateful day, and who was responsible. Some believe that the Roosevelt administration did it themselves, deliberately, making it look like Japanese religious fanatics were responsible, in order to drag the country into a war that they could get by no other means, to benefit arms merchants and the Jews."
Well... I thought it was funny. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled topic...
Don't tell me you've never heard the Pearl Harbour CT's before? MANY of our 9/11 deniers tend to buy into Pearl Harbour denial too.
Yup...
Here's the Pearl Harbor story they still believe, reprinted today:
Five Years On, Unanswered Questions About December Seventh Remain
In honor of tomorrow's sixty-fifth anniversary of Pearl Harbor, I've dredged up a sixty-year-old Routers piece on who was really behind it...
December 7, 1946
HONOLULU (Routers) Five years after the sinking of the battleships in Pearl Harbor, many still question the official government story of what happened on that fateful day, and who was responsible. Some believe that the Roosevelt administration did it themselves, deliberately, making it look like Japanese religious fanatics were responsible, in order to drag the country into a war that they could get by no other means, to benefit arms merchants and the Jews.
The controversy has been renewed by a recently released film documentary, titled "Loose Ships." It makes a compelling case against the Shinto extremist theory, citing inconsistent eyewitness reports, mistaken radar readings, and structural analysis of the sunken battleships.
"It makes no sense to think that Japanese Shintoists could have done this," explains one of the film's producers. "Shinto is a deeply spiritual religion, derived from Buddhism, worshiping nature. A Shintoist would never have desecrated Pearl Harbor with all of that leaking and burning diesel fuel and oil. It is fundamentally a religion of peace."
He points out that many eyewitnesses saw American planes in the air that day, and that the radar images that many claim, preposterously in his view, were of the attacking Japanese aircraft, were actually a squadron of American B-17s on its way to Hickam Air Force Base, perhaps to take part in the plot. The Truman administration itself has admitted that there was a group of bombers in the area that morning, on its way from the mainland, though a War Department spokesman claimed that it was too far away and in the wrong direction to appear on radar at that point in time.
The documentarian went on to expand on his theory. "We don't think that Japanese aircraft would have the range to get here all the way from Japan, but if by some miracle they did, it was probably to protect Honolulu, in which many Japanese live, from the administration plot. That's probably what people were seeing."
Some have examined the wreckage of the Arizona, and claim that it wasn't brought down by aerial bombs, but by charges planted on the ship beforehand.
"Look at those two huge circular holes in the front and rear of the sunken ship," he said. "No bomb is big enough to make a hole that size, and do it so cleanly. It was obviously a shaped charge of some kind. It's just not possible to take down ships that big with the little bombs that are carried in those little Japanese airplanes."
"They killed thousands of sailors for their filthy war, and many of them died a long and horrible death in air pockets. And take a look at the roster of the people who died on the Arizona. How many Jewish names do you see there? I think they were warned ahead of time."
"It was all part of the Zionist neo-liberal conspiracy to drag America into a needless war of choice."
In response to suggestions that the Japanese used aircraft carriers, and that many of the Japanese planes were torpedo bombers, and that the large holes were the empty sockets for the gun turrets, that were removed afterward, he scoffed. "That's all just Franklin Delano Rosenfeld administration propaganda," he sneered knowingly.
Some enterprising and innovative people have carried the analysis further. In one sequence shown in the documentary, a man built a wooden model of the ship in his pond, and filmed himself dropping lit firecrackers on it from above, to demonstrate how preposterous was the notion that ships could be sunk by bombs. They seemed to have no effect other than a slight scorching of the deck, and the sturdy little toy remained afloat.
He was proud of his own small part in uncovering the cover up. "Other than the fact that the ship is wood, which is much weaker than steel, and I used firecrackers instead of iron bombs, and that there was no ammunition magazine aboard to explode, this is a perfect simulation of what the Roosevelt administration claims happened to the Arizona. But there the ship floats, to show to one and all the administration's lie. And how convenient of Roosevelt to die a year and a half ago, so he can avoid having to answer these questions."
http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/008105.html#008105
Good for Troy.
Helmut Schmidt hasn't been Chancellor of Germany since 1982. Why would anything he says have relevance today?
Where is my "National ID card"? Alex says they have them. When it will arrive in the mail?
Hey, elmondohummus, did FDR's henchmen also launch those simultaneous operations the Japanese conducted against Guam and Singapore?
Hehe:
"2. Before the attack, it was generally accepted that Pearl Harbor was too shallow to permit attack by aircraft torpedos which, upon being dropped, go deep into the water before coming up to their preset depth. Government spokesmen now claim that the Japanese sidestepped this by slapping large plywood fins on the torpedos. But several experts with whom we spoke doubted that such a jury-rig could have been successful. "You can't just glue a bunch of plywood to a torpedo, for pete's sake," one explained, "the stuff isn't even waterproof. The bottom line is, torpedos didn't sink those ships."
Alex,
Oh, yeah, I've heard of Pearl Harbor CT'ers before. I just haven't delved into any specifics of their... well, as I said before, I hate to call fantastic speculation like 9/11 fantasists put out "theory", because in science, "theory" is a very firm state of evidence and certainty, just one step below "law". So I don't want to dignify such fantasies with the therm. Anyway, I haven't delved into the details of any Pearl Harbor conspiracy fantasies, but I've seen references to them out there.
This satire cracked me up because of it's (admittedly heavy handed) parallels to modern 9/11 conspiracy fantasies.
pomeroo,
Not sure how I'd answer that in the conspiracy fantasists vein. Maybe try to claim that it wasn't really Japanese that attacked those places? Or maybe say it was, but they were tricked into doing it? Hell, I dunno...
If I ever find myself in West VA, I will be sure and get Troy a big stein of beer for that one.
Well played Troy, well played. I was laughing out loud at some of it. It's amazing how in the same breath, Jones will rant and rave about something and then use the same tactic against a critic.
I love how Troy points out how ridiculous it is to call Cheney a rapist then Jones has the fucking gall to say "truth" defends against the slander.
Sorry Jones, he's a lot of things, but he ain't a rapist.
Well done Troy. I think more people would stand up to this guy, but the problem is nobody knows who he is and most that do don't give a shit about him. But I enjoyed listening to you make an ass out of him.
Jones is so entertaining while trying to quibble over 'ritual' and 'play'.
How is the North American Union here? What is it with these people stating that events which haven't occurred have happened?
Hahahahaha, his method of debate is to make stuff up. I don't just mean grabbing conspiracy theories out of thin air, I mean he made up what Troy was saying too. That was cracking stuff :>
Let me guess, there is a debunking site for the Pearl Harbor conspiracy?
Someone has totally debunked this book?http://www.amazon.com/Day-Deceit-
Truth-Pearl-Harbor/dp/0743201299
Is there a debunking site for this site?
http://216.177.7.126/pearl/
www.geocities.com/
Pentagon/6315/pearl.html
Come on people!!! Troy got his ass handed to him as usual. The national ID card will become law May 2008 and for the North American Union check the NAFTA superhighway that will run through Texas.
Troy is nothing but an inbred ass.
CNN Lou Dobbs Report - North American Union?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAeEc23_7Ig
CNN Lou Dobbs Report - No Boundaries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ensmPJm5B5A
CNN Lou Dobbs Report - Whose America?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy2Z3kdI
CNN Lou Dobbs Report - A New America?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8
7 Oct 1940 - Navy analyst McCollum wrote an 8 point memo on how to force Japan into war with US. Beginning the next day FDR began to put them into effect and all 8 were eventually accomplished.
Sounds reasonable to me..
Thanks Murder! Now I will have to read the book! ;)
Elmondohummus, you've hit the nail squarely on the head. I have a friend who--I swear to you--accuses American troops of burning the Kuwaiti oil wells they were racing to protect in 1991. Asked what possible, remotely conceivable motive they could have for doing precisely what they were supposed to prevent, he babbles about "money." Uh, what money? Whose money? The old conspiracist bugaboo surfaces: trying to produce wealth from the destruction of wealth. The nuts simply don't get the idea that delivering a trillion-dollar hit to the economy by bringing down the WTC, thereby midwifing a recession that Bush, predictably, got blamed for, is not a cost-effective plan.
When I joked with you about those simultaneous Japanese attacks, I was left scratching my head. I mean, surely those attacks MUST be at least slightly inconvenient even for a nutter? Were there any actual Germans on the beaches at Normandy, or were we just shooting each other, as usual?
All the real Germans were sitting down in a bar in Hamburg, drinking beer and eating schnitzel, and wandering what the hell all that noise was. The alleged "German Soldiers" were really CIA agents, remote-controlled robots, and CGI effects.
More on Troy...................
http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10983
CNN Lou Dobbs Report - No Boundaries
Who cares about Lou Dobbs? What do any of his diatribes have to do with the topic of this website.
That's what I call a hide-whipping!! WOOO!!! That'll learn Alex..
Anyway the whole Pearl Harbor issue is ridiculous to even talk about. It's in history books that Roosevelt let it happen.
Here's a page talking about the Pearl Harbor issue and others..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911_past_terrorism.html
That's what I call a hide-whipping!! WOOO!!! That'll learn Alex..
Anyway the whole Pearl Harbor issue is ridiculous to even talk about. It's in history books that Roosevelt let it happen.
Here's a page talking about the Pearl Harbor issue and others..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911_past_terrorism.html
That's what I call a hide-whipping!! WOOO!!! That'll learn Alex..
Anyway the whole Pearl Harbor issue is ridiculous to even talk about. It's in history books that Roosevelt let it happen.
Here's a page talking about the Pearl Harbor issue and others..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911_past_terrorism.html
I looked at the debunking site that was supplied above for the book "Day of Deceit." I suppose It could be possible that the book could have some technical errors, although if the errors were significant enough to disprove the theory of FDR knowing about the attacks beforehand, there would be a mainstream news story about it.. it would be big news.
Here is the debunking link that was supplied..
http://www.usncva.org/books/book-10.html
Here is the website I specified and a few quotes from it..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911_past_terrorism.html
".. It also speaks of foreknowledge of the attack by President Roosevelt and U.S. military officials. One of the issues is whether Admiral Kimmel and General Short were denied crucial U.S. military intelligence that tracked Japanese forces advancing on Hawaii."
"This question was answered in October 2000 during the presidency of Bill Clinton who signed into law, with the support of a bipartisan Congress, the National Defense Authorization Act that, among other provisions, reversed the findings of nine previous Pearl Harbor investigations and found that both Kimmel and Short were denied the crucial intelligence."
Here is a link discussing the National Defense Authorization Act..
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=103
While on the News of Interest.TV page, be sure to check out the USS Liberty Information on it as well. What does "Screw Loose Change" have to say about the USS Liberty, which was a US ship that President Johnson conspired with Israel to attack and sink in order to blame the attack on Egypt and drag the US into a mid-east war in the 1970's? The attack happened but they didn't manage to sink the ship. It's proven beyond any doubt and not debunkable, you know.
Here is the link again..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911_past_terrorism.html
That's a "hide whipping"? Were we listening to the same thing? Take note that Troy has since called in under false names even though his calls have never been rejected. Why he thinks he needs to use a fake name is beyond me. He recently tried this tactic while Jason Bermas was hosting but it didn't work. I'll let you decide for yourself why he chose to call while Alex was away.
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