Wednesday, July 19, 2006

Campos: Loose Change Certifiably Insane

Paul Campos, a law professor at the University of Colorado and a longtime columnist reviews the "Truth Movement":

First, the 9/11 Truth movement features a wide variety of claims, ranging from the quite plausible (the government's negligence prior to the attacks was not wholly displeasing to certain members of the Bush administration), to the wildly improbable (the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolitions), to the certifiably insane.

The latter category includes claims such as that 9/11 was a plot to steal $160 billion in gold buried under the WTC (this theory is put forth in the film "Loose Change," which has purportedly sold 100,000 DVD copies); that no airplanes hit the towers (the theory here involves sophisticated holographic imaging equipment); and that the passengers supposedly killed on the four flights hijacked that day were all herded onto United Airlines Flight 93, which landed safely in Cleveland before the passengers were transferred to a top-secret NASA facility.


If you're curious, you can also find plenty of stuff about how it was all really the work of Satanists, or an elite secret society that was set up several thousand years ago by space aliens. (A morbidly amusing sidelight to the 9/11 Truth movement is that many of its members have become convinced that other members are either unwitting dupes or conscious agents of the government, who are propagating obviously outlandish theories for the purpose of discrediting the movement as a whole.)

29 Comments:

At 19 July, 2006 15:48, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I love it. See the very thing that the CTs want, that being an audience, will be their undoing. As more people hear their arguements, particularly the outlandish ones, the more people that will become convinced of their madness.

See the problem with their movement, is that they are so desperate to hold on to every individual that sides with them, that they refuse to seperate the wheat from the Chaff. If i were a member of Scholars, for instance, I would distance myself as much as possible, from LC, D.A. etc...

 
At 19 July, 2006 16:38, Blogger Pat said...

I agree, but Fetzer obviously loves Loose Change; during his interview with Alan Colmes he endorsed every single aspect of the conspiracy that LC presents.

 
At 19 July, 2006 16:40, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like, hey man, I've been wondering about that gold, 'cause it's like really heavy, I mean, it was a lot, and like I mean sold 100,000 DVD's, like no way man, I mean there may be 100,000 copies, but unless my may Jason is cheating me, no way did we sell 100,000.

 
At 19 July, 2006 16:47, Blogger James B. said...

As looney as the scholars have been lately, maybe Loose Change should try and distance themselves from them?

Fetzer loves LC, he mentions them in just about every radio interview. Sadly, I have listened to most of them.

Kevin, you know I am so disgusted with the New York Times, these events were happening just downtown from the Times’ headquarters. The fact that the Times could not be bothered to assume the responsibility to seriously investigate what happened, the fact that three college kids from upper New York put together a DVD called Loose Change that provides a more thorough comprehensive understanding of what happened than the New York Times will ever publish on its pages simply fills me with dread and disgust. This is our newspaper of record abdicating its responsibility to the nation and the world

 
At 19 July, 2006 17:01, Blogger shawn said...

I honestly believe that these people know what their spouting is ludicrous.

 
At 19 July, 2006 17:02, Blogger shawn said...

I mean you can't be dishonest consistently without some kind of consciousness behind it.

 
At 19 July, 2006 17:05, Blogger Rowe_Korey said...

Dylan, is that you?

 
At 19 July, 2006 17:05, Blogger shawn said...

they're*

 
At 19 July, 2006 18:12, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

160 Billion Dollars of gold.

Lets say about $600/oz (rough)
= $9600/lb
160,000,000,000 divided by 9,600 gives us.....
about 17 Million pounds. That is alot of gold. How many trucks would that take....hmmm

 
At 19 July, 2006 18:42, Blogger Murdervillage said...

Well, the $160 billion would be much more gold than is in the US.

In Sept. '01 gold was selling at about $283 an ounce. That means many thousands of truckloads, and they onnly had 45 minutes to do it!

Lately, the Loosers have claimed that the amount was over a trillion dollars, or much more gold than the whole world's supply. I wonder if that will make it to the "Final Cut."

 
At 19 July, 2006 18:49, Blogger default.xbe said...

$160 billion / $283 an ounce / 12 (troy) oz in a pound = 47,114,252 pounds or 23,557 tons

now your average semi truck can carry (legally) up to about 45 tons, meaning it would take about 525 54-foot semi trucks to haul out 160 billion in gold....and yet no one noticed them

 
At 19 July, 2006 20:07, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like, hey man, I mean, I bet they got it out as i mean, molton metal.

 
At 19 July, 2006 20:45, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

gd that sa lotta gold

 
At 19 July, 2006 20:48, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/pentagon_papers_author_gov_maybe_did_911.htm

just found this on a couple of the "truth" sites

 
At 19 July, 2006 21:16, Blogger apathoid said...

The Artistic Macrophage said...
http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/pentagon_papers_author_gov_maybe_did_911.htm

just found this on a couple of the "truth" sites


Link made clickable

I listened to that interview. At about the 31:05 mark, Ellsberg states that the government is going to have mass detainment camps for Arabs and dissenters.
The guy makes alot of other laughable claims.

Not to worry, he is just yet another paranoid goofball saying the same things we've all heard a million times. Of course, he'll be regarded as a whistleblower by the "Truth" movement..

 
At 20 July, 2006 03:28, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

Didn't the LCers/CTers steal this "truckloads of gold bullion" bit from Die Hard With A Vengence, but without the pinache of a smooth terrorist leader played by Jeremy Irons?

The LC moron parade is in the midst of their own controlled demolition. Highly entertaining!

 
At 20 July, 2006 03:36, Blogger Pepik said...

I think we are expecting a little too much of the truthiness movement. It is not a political party, it is a movement. Does the environmental movement agree about everything? Does it have its extremes? And even if it were a party or a single organisation, does the Republican party "agree" about everything? No, they have factions and groups and so on.

So I don't think it is such a valid criticism of the truthiness movement that they can't all agree on the same lunatic conspiracy theory.

 
At 20 July, 2006 04:37, Blogger Alex said...

Does the environmental movement agree about everything?

Well, they all seem to agree on the idea that the environment is good, and that hurting it is bad.

What do the CT's agree on? They can't even come to an agreement on whether the whole thing was pulled off by the Bush administration, da Jooos, or space aliens.

 
At 20 July, 2006 05:49, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

I'm leaning towards space aliens myself.

Given the "case" that the Truthiness movement has "presented (screeched)," it is the next most plausible 9-11 theory next to Islamic terrosists doing what they do best.

 
At 20 July, 2006 10:21, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Why were the 2 Bukharis (one of whom had died the previous year and the other is still alive) initially suspects in 9/11? They were supposed to have rented the car found at Logan Airport with the "Rosetta Stone" of information about the hijackers in it.

There is no reason for their names to have ever been in the mix unless someone was collecting the identities of Arabs.

No one here ever has an answer to that. It proves that you cannot trust the official version's identification of the "19 hijackers."

Does this Campos person answer it?

 
At 20 July, 2006 10:34, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

like, hey Joan, I mean nobody has ever mistaken an identity, nobody. Like, Ever.

 
At 20 July, 2006 12:14, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I have no doubt that the FBI and CIA were monitoring some of these hijackers prior to 9/11.

CIA/FBI keep a long list of "suspicious" individuals, and I have little doubt that most of the 19, and the Bukharis were on it.

 
At 20 July, 2006 12:56, Blogger Alex said...

No one here ever has an answer to that. It proves that you cannot trust the official version's identification of the "19 hijackers."

Does this Campos person answer it?


You have a funny definition of proof.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly does that mesh with your "Bush Did It!" theory? If the US admin had pulled off 9/11, don't you think they would have done a better job of framing the hijackers? Or does your personal version of logic somehow explain why they'd intentionaly frame a guy who died a year earlier?

 
At 20 July, 2006 13:01, Blogger BG said...

JoanBasil,

Cool info, thanks.

 
At 20 July, 2006 13:07, Blogger BG said...

Moran Alert.
From 9/11 Blogger

 
At 20 July, 2006 13:27, Blogger shawn said...

Didn't the LCers/CTers steal this "truckloads of gold bullion" bit from Die Hard With A Vengence, but without the pinache of a smooth terrorist leader played by Jeremy Irons?

First thing I thought of when I first saw Loose Change.

Why were the 2 Bukharis (one of whom had died the previous year and the other is still alive) initially suspects in 9/11?

Why were hundreds of people suspects in the Green River Killer case? I mean it was obviously Gary Ridgeway, right?

Oh, that's right, it's called an investigation.

 
At 20 July, 2006 13:44, Blogger shawn said...

So bg, there's something wrong with a paragraph that had nothing wrong with it?

God, could you people get any dumber.

Get a brain, moron.

 
At 23 July, 2006 23:02, Blogger Decider said...

Moran Alert
That idiot is a Bush and war supporter. He represents your ilk. He was protesting against Cindy Sheehan.
MORON

 
At 23 January, 2007 21:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the millions of people that think 9/11 was ignored by our government and actually carried out by our government our certifiable insane...hmmm i guess that would be half of NYC..i guess u guys are right it was a bunch of arabs in a cave who told norad to stand down...hahand half of NYC is certifiable insane plus half of this country i would agree since we did Elect President Bush......hah you guys crack me up

 

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