Monday, August 28, 2006

The Implicit Racism of the 9/11 Denial Movement

We have already spoken at length about the anti-Semetic ties of the 9/11 conspiracy community, from Holocaust deniers to Jim Fetzer's love of the American Free Press, but this is a subtler form of racism. One thing I have seen repeated often, is this terminology, or variations of it, as posted earlier today from a British musician:

Are we really supposed to believe that a man in a cave in Afghanistan managed to orchestrate the most unbelievable attack on the United States of all time?
The "scholars" (I cannot use scare quotes big enough for that word in this case) even use this in their press releases, as delivered by Jim Fetzer:

What this means is that the wrong parties have been accused of the monstrous crimes committed on 9/11. The country appears to have been hijacked, not by a group of 19 Islamic fundamentalists under the control of a man hiding in a cave
in Afghanistan, but by a gang of neo-conservatives right here in front of our very eyes, who have used special effects and propaganda to deceive us.
The implication is of course, that these are a bunch of unsophisticated Arabs living in primitive conditions, and there is no way they could have had the intelligence, planning, and coordination to pull off these hijackings. They are just a bunch of Arabs after all.

But one must remember, Osama bin Laden was not "hiding in a cave" before 9/11. Thanks to his Afghan hosts, he had the free run of almost an entire country. He and his supporters were able to set up camps to train thousands of mujahadeen in the use of weapons, explosives, communications, security, and a variety of other skills. This is just one of those camps.















They are hardly living in caves.

And while the average Al Qaeda foot soldier may be neither educated nor sophisticated, that does not mean that their leadership isn't. Osama bin Laden after all, came from one of the richest families in Saudi Arabia, was educated as an engineer, and learned combat skills in the Afghan war against the Soviets. His number 1 assistant Ayman al Zawahiri is an Egyptian born physician. Aside from providing the inspiration for the attack (if even that) and the funding, bin Laden would not even be needed to "coordinate" the attacks. The 19 hijackers could have easily done this autonomously.

Neither were the 19 hijackers picked from the ranks of Arab peasantry. They were all selected because they would be among those Al Qaeda members able to get along in the west. Mohammed Atta was a Egyptian, who had been studying urban planning for years in Germany. All 4 of the pilots had commercial pilots licenses, requiring at least 250 hours of flight time, and most had at least some college education.

Is the thought of these men coming here, brutally taking over flights, destroying our landmarks and murdering our people repulsive? Of course it is. But dismissing them as a bunch of Arabs led by a man in a cave, in order to absolve them of responsibility is equally so.

38 Comments:

At 29 August, 2006 04:04, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Yes, and lets not forget that the leaders of the Hamberg cell, Atta, Al-Shehhi, Jarrad, and Bin-Abingh (not sure his spelling, the guy who couldnt get into US), were all fluent in both english and german, as well as arabic.

 
At 29 August, 2006 07:39, Blogger AbrashTX said...

I'm really glad you brought up this issue. It has historical parallels also: after Pearl Harbor, some people simply couldn't believe that an "inferior" Asian race would be capable of pulling off a surprise attack without assistance, so they accused FDR of having foreknowledge. As you all probably know, the most recent book making this baseless charge has been embraced by the Deniers as somehow proving that the Bush administration engineered 9-11.

 
At 29 August, 2006 08:06, Blogger nesNYC said...

Reality check. Just like the "intelligence" was "fixed" around policy in Iraq, so was the "intelligence" "fixed" around the pre-planned policy of obliterating Afghanistan and the Taliban. The picture you have up there is obviously yet another "intelligence" hoax to sucker you guys to believe all that crap about the mythical "Al Qaeda."

You should strongly see this documentary debunking those US/Mil lies:

The Power of Nightmares

Baby it's Cold Outside
The Phantom Victory
The Shadows in the Cave

 
At 29 August, 2006 08:13, Blogger nesNYC said...

BTW, the "Terrorists in a cave" is the cover used by the US government itself, not the truth movement.

Repeat after me...

there is no such thing as Al Qaeda
there is no such thing as Al Qaeda
there is no such thing as Al Qaeda
there is no such thing as Al Qaeda
there is no such thing as Al Qaeda
there is no such thing as Al Qaeda

 
At 29 August, 2006 08:22, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Nessie:

You, like the rest of your crowd, base your entire argument almost exclusively on "documentaries".

(1) It is a gross misuse of the word to call the videos the 9/11 Truth movement watch "documentaries", and

(2) try using some hard evidence for a change, instead of sound bytes and snippets...

 
At 29 August, 2006 08:32, Blogger nesNYC said...

(2) try using some hard evidence for a change, instead of sound bytes and snippets...

That BBC documentary is heavily cited and has eyewitness accounts right from former intelligence operatives. You can't get any harder facts than those.

But the Government's version of Osama/Al Qaeda simply falls apart in the light of the revelations made on "The Power of Nightmares." But you don't need the documentary to figure that out. Everybody knows Osama is dead, yet the US Government is still trying to push their fabricated videos and audio tapes. There's no bigger smoking gun to the validity of the "Al Qaeda" story than the Government's own perpetuation of a dead nemesis.

 
At 29 August, 2006 08:45, Blogger nesNYC said...

Yes, and lets not forget that the leaders of the Hamberg cell, Atta,

Which "Atta?"

 
At 29 August, 2006 09:30, Blogger nesNYC said...

Moron "Atta."

 
At 29 August, 2006 09:42, Blogger AbrashTX said...

Wow. No such thing as al Qaeda. Tell that to the relatives of the people whose relatives were killed in the bombings of the embassy in Kenya, the Khobar towers, the Madrid commuter train, and the Jakarta nightclub. Guess they must have imagined all of that.

 
At 29 August, 2006 09:44, Blogger MarkyX said...

Let's not forgot BBC still thinks the hijackers are still alive by talking to people who have the same names. We all know ARABIC names are freaking unique.

Idiot. I can't trust BBC more then I can throw a sperm whale.

 
At 29 August, 2006 10:24, Blogger nesNYC said...

Guess they must have imagined all of that.

No, the attacks were real carried out by the same US "assets" which the government then named "Al Qaeda." Someone does indeed need to tell these people who the real purps are.

 
At 29 August, 2006 10:26, Blogger nesNYC said...

Idiot. I can't trust BBC more then I can throw a sperm whale.

The same can be said for YOUR government. You really think the US government is reliable after the proved fairytale of Iraqi WMD that lied the nation into war? Get a reality check.

 
At 29 August, 2006 10:35, Blogger CHF said...

But if the guv carried out 9/11 don't you think they would have planted WMD in Iraq?

 
At 29 August, 2006 11:14, Blogger nesNYC said...

But if the guv carried out 9/11 don't you think they would have planted WMD in Iraq?

That's the stupidest OS'ers jump of logic. Do you understand that Saddam killed an entire CIA team sent to assassinate him? So if they were trying to plant WMD while he was there it would have been suicidal. After the Iraq invasion, there were too many US Gi's, eyes, all around and they would have gotten caught there too.

All that needed to be done was fool you guys by showing fake satellite photos and you suckers simply ate it up. Now, since they satellite photo coordinates should be easily verifiable on the ground, why haven't they, to this very day, found what the satellites supposedly showed?

 
At 29 August, 2006 11:21, Blogger Alex said...

Saddam killed an entire CIA team sent to assassinate him?

No man, you got it all backwards, the CIA team was brought down by controlled demolition.

 
At 29 August, 2006 11:48, Blogger nesNYC said...

No man, you got it all backwards, the CIA team was brought down by controlled demolition.

Just short of an admission of being stumped.

WMD: Where? Find? Plant?

 
At 29 August, 2006 12:04, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

You are a stump...but anyway.

Who said they had to plant them while he was there. He was on the run from the moment they began to invade. the search for WMDs went on long after Iraq was taken. It could still be going on today. If the USG was in the business of doing "Anything" to keep itself in power, the easiest thing would be to go tomorrow, with a cargo plane full of fake "Chem lab" equipment, drop it down into the middle of Iraq, and then send in a team, on a hunch, to find it...

Your so stupid sometimes. I am sorry, but sometimes it needs to be said.

 
At 29 August, 2006 12:11, Blogger nesNYC said...

He was on the run from the moment they began to invade.

Which is what I'm trying to say and you call me stupid? There was no window and the scenario you point out cannot occur under the current occupation. The window of opportunity to plant WMD was just before the invasion and even then, the country was under heavy surveillance. Not all the US military is in on the "dirty tricks" played by the Israelis and the CIA. Think clearly what I told you about the satellite photos that Powell was pimping at the UN and why they never found anything of the sort when the troops hit the ground. What more proof do you need the propaganda mouthpieces at the DoD and White house were LYING to you?

 
At 29 August, 2006 13:15, Blogger shawn said...

the pre-planned policy of obliterating Afghanistan and the Taliban.

Yeah since Afghanistan has so much natural resources. Must be why their main export is opium.

So if they were trying to plant WMD while he was there it would have been suicidal.

Ah, because Saddam had control of the desert wasteland? He had the Republican Guard patrolling the nothing out there?

Nesnyc, I know you're borderline retarded, but c'mon. You drop a bunch of guys in the middle of nowhere, bury some anthrax, then during the invasion you "come upon" it. Real tough.

 
At 29 August, 2006 13:20, Blogger JohnReb said...

So the point of maximum chaos, with US and Iraqi troops spread all over, the (up till then) Iraqi government on the run and incommunicado, and most US troops concentrating on the cities and trying to switch from offensive actions to security actions, would not have been a good time for a "supply" convoy containing a couple of trucks and maybe a dozen or so men to wander off course and "blunder" into a cache of hidden WMDs? It was a better idea to try to hide the WMDs while Saddam was in complete control and his army could monitor movements of foreigners with considerable ease.

Your strategic planning here is only surpassed by Custer's dividing his 7th Cavalry to attack Sitting Bull.

 
At 29 August, 2006 14:01, Blogger Richard said...

So basically Nessie thinks that the super powerful government that had the capacity to pull of 9/11 couldn't kill one man but could take out all of his armed forces, take control of his country and then capture him? I find that logic a bit off...

Only in a CTers mind would a full scale ground war be easier to manage than one .308 round to the head from a distance.

 
At 29 August, 2006 15:06, Blogger CHF said...

Nessie,

the US army works for the US government, remember?

So why would Bush and co. fear being caught by their own soldiers as they planted WMDs?

 
At 29 August, 2006 15:53, Blogger default.xbe said...

So why would Bush and co. fear being caught by their own soldiers as they planted WMDs?

CTers are the ones who like to bring up the milgram experiments to show why there are no whistle blowers

wheres milgram now?

 
At 29 August, 2006 17:46, Blogger CHF said...

CTers just can't make up their minds.

Are the conspirators all powerful beings who can manipulate thousands of people to take part in 9/11 without their full knowing...?

Or are they so amateur that they can't send in a team of agents to plant WMDs in Iraq for fear of being caught - by their OWN TROOPS???

The answer seems to change depending on which story best suits the CT at the time.

 
At 29 August, 2006 19:09, Blogger James B. said...

That's the stupidest OS'ers jump of logic. Do you understand that Saddam killed an entire CIA team sent to assassinate him? So if they were trying to plant WMD while he was there it would have been suicidal. After the Iraq invasion, there were too many US Gi's, eyes, all around and they would have gotten caught there too.


Let me get this straight. You belive the Zionists/Illuminati/New World Order made 4 jetliners disappear, killed their crew and passengers, crashed two remote controlled planes into the World Trade Center killing thousands of people, flew a missile disguised as a jetliner into the Pentagon, while knocking down lightpoles and dispersing airplane parts, faked a plane crash site in Pennsylvania, emplaced and exploded some sort of secret super nano-thermite explosive device in World Trade Centers 1, 2 and 7, all without drawing any suspicion, then they got the NYPD, FDNY, FBI, CIA, NTSB, ASME, ASCE, the cleanup workers, and the 9/11 Commission to participate in the cover up without a single leak...

But they were afraid to dump a truckload or two of artillery shells in a bunker in the middle of the desert because they were afraid they might get caught?

Yeah, that makes sense.

 
At 29 August, 2006 20:54, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Oh thanks God nesNYC is here to argue for the CT'ers now I know FOR SURE that they will forever be seen as nutbars.

 
At 29 August, 2006 21:07, Blogger nesNYC said...

But they were afraid to dump a truckload or two of artillery shells in a bunker in the middle of the desert because they were afraid they might get caught?

Yeah, that makes sense.


They were going to but Joseph Wilson blew the cover off of this early on. After, they couldn't get any logistics in place but then it really wasn't all that necessary since this story was marginalized and the war took center stage.

They weren't "afraid" to do anything. It just wasn't logistically possibly to plant any WMD there before, during or after the invasion and is why none will ever be found.

 
At 29 August, 2006 21:15, Blogger CHF said...

It just wasn't logistically possibly to plant any WMD there before, during or after the invasion

Sure dude.

Rigging up 3 buildings with thermite/CD charges, making 4 planes dissapear, flying drones via remote control into the WTC, and hitting the Pentagon with a missile is all easy stuff compared to planting a few shells in the desert.

Especially with the risk of your OWN GUYS ratting you out being so much greater than with 9/11.

 
At 29 August, 2006 22:13, Blogger Richard said...

All you really need is a five ton and a couple of soldiers and your in buisness. Hell my units main SASO task was to capture and remove enemy ammunition from bunkers. It would be a piece of cake to throw in a couple of wmd's into the mix and say look what we found!. I really can't see how after completing the largest and most complex conspiracy in the world you couldn't plant some chem arty shells or the makings of an atomic bomb in some remote part of the vast wasteland that is Iraq.

 
At 29 August, 2006 22:34, Blogger Blind Avocado said...

Which is what I'm trying to say and you call me stupid? There was no window and the scenario you point out cannot occur under the current occupation.

So let me get this straight, Bush can plant thermite explosives in two buildings filled day in and day out with thousands of people with out anybody noticing, but cannot plant wmd in the middle of the desert of a huge country because people would notice? My god you are one freaking moron.

 
At 30 August, 2006 01:42, Blogger Pepik said...

The bigger lie is that they would have to plant WMDs anyway. Who can say what those oil drums/artillery shells/storage tanks contain? The army could photograph virtually anything any claim it was WMDs, fly it back to area 51 for tests and then claim victory. In fact they could photograph a bunch of oil drums in a Texas desert and say it was Iraq, using conspiracy logic.

 
At 30 August, 2006 06:32, Blogger Alex said...

So let me get this straight, Bush can plant thermite explosives in two buildings filled day in and day out with thousands of people with out anybody noticing, but cannot plant wmd in the middle of the desert of a huge country because people would notice?

Ah, but you see, Marvin Bush wasn't in charge of security for Iraq ;)

I'm getting too good at anticapating the CT response. Maybe if I make all the responses for him, he'll shut up and go away.

 
At 30 August, 2006 11:08, Blogger Pastor David said...

nesNYC: You're actually Lyndon LaRouche, aren't you?

 
At 30 August, 2006 11:27, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Sheesh. This is a pretty silly post. There are brilliant Ph.D.'s at the best universities who are just as unlikely masterminds of the 9/11 attacks as Osama bin Laden; they have the same lack of capability as the man in the cave in Afghanistan to "analyze our security systems and penetrate our defenses" (Zelikow).

 
At 30 August, 2006 13:12, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

OBl is the worshipped figurehead. He is far from the "genius" who penentrated anything. He has hundreds, if not thousands of people in his organization, many of which are geniuses, who did the "leg" work.

Really Joan...come on.

 
At 30 August, 2006 13:20, Blogger default.xbe said...

no one says OBL alone masterminded the 9/11 attacks any more than CTers say bush alone masterminded them

 
At 30 August, 2006 14:43, Blogger shawn said...

"analyze our security systems and penetrate our defenses" (Zelikow).

Next she'll say Hitler had no responsibility for the Holocaust, as he didn't micromanage it.

By the way, where the hell did bg scurry off to?

 
At 30 August, 2006 14:50, Blogger CHF said...

I miss BG.

Unlike Nazinyc, he at least tried to come across as being sane.

Didn't do very well but at least he made an effort.

 

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