Monday, September 18, 2006

The World's Stupidest Pentagon Attack Theory

Back when Army vet and Loose Change producer Korey Rowe speculated that the Pentagon might have been attacked by the Javelin anti-tank missile, I thought that nobody else could come up with a theory anywhere near as stupid.

Once again, I must admonish myself for underestimating the imagination and sheer idiocy of conspiracy theorists. You would think I would learn. From tonight's interview with Jim Fetzer at the 1:18 mark:

James in Salt Lake City: Hi, Dr. Fetzer this is James Valarian, with Utah Rally for Peace. I don't know if you remember me or not. I called in before. I wanted to let you know, that my own research has discovered that the military has a weapon called the direct strike hard target weapon, nicknamed Big Blue, which is a 30,000 lb missile, which has the capability to blast through thick concrete walls, what happened at the Pentagon. And I believe that that's what happened, and that it was delivered by a C-130 which was in the vicinity and in Griffin's book, there is a radio report from the pilot of a C-130 verifying that the so called plane had crashed into the Pentagon. And uh...

Fetzer: Well that's an interesting conjecture. Now there was a C-130 up there, and I think it was coordinating things. And I believe that the plane that it was probably under control from that C-130. I think that's all correct. I would be surprised if that specific weapon that you described had been used at the Pentagon. The original hit point, you can find photographs of it on two different websites go to assassinationscience.com a public issues website I have maintained for years. Scroll down the menu bar to 9/11 websites and the second one says 20 studies plus. Click on that 20 studies plus, you'll find immediately a photograph of the hitpoint it's rather small, it's only about 10 feet high and maybe 16-17 feet wide. There's unbroken...

James in Salt Lake City: That's what this missile does. It makes a small hole.

Fetzer: Yeah. Too small for the weapon you are describing. The amount of damage wasn't great enough.
Wow. I am stunned, we actually found a theory that is too stupid for Jim Fetzer. That has got to be a first. Although he still calls it "interesting conjecture". Is there any type of of conjecture he doesn't find interesting?

For those of you who aren't that familiar with military ordinance. This is Big Blue.












No, that is not a missile, although he is correct in stating it is dropped out of a C-130. And as for the claim that it is used to punch small holes in concrete. Here is a description of its affects:

The BLU-82 combines a watery mixture of ammonium nitrate and aluminum with air, then ignites the mist for a huge explosion that incinerates everything within up to 600 yards. The shock wave can be felt miles away.

The BLU-82 uses about six times the amount of ammonium nitrate explosive that Timothy McVeigh used in the bomb that blew up the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995.

Well I am glad the members of Utah Rally for Peace are out there finding the truth.

Update: Here is a video of this type of bomb. I am surprised the Loose Change boys didn’t include it in one of the versions of there movie. They seem to like things that go boom.

19 Comments:

At 19 September, 2006 02:05, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

Oh, so now we dropped BOMBS on the Pentagon?

Can anyone let me know how all this was done while an aircraft was hurtling towards the Pentagon? Did Rumsfeld come up with this plan in seconds?

Maybe we can all refer to that "Tom Flocco" story about how Barbara Olson was arrested on the Austrian-Polish border, a borderline that does not exist.

 
At 19 September, 2006 02:20, Blogger Jedha said...

I have bad news, YOUR CLAIMS ARE DEBUNKED!

http://screwloosechangedebunked.wordpress.com/

 
At 19 September, 2006 03:19, Blogger Homer Simpson said...

Really? It looks more like a commentary to me. Nothing on that very short page looks like a debunking of anything here.

You CTers remind me of the time I started my own religion - we all know how that ended up. I had to be pulled out of the fire by the very people I had criticised.

 
At 19 September, 2006 04:40, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Jesus.....Christ.

 
At 19 September, 2006 05:06, Blogger Cassiopeia said...

Good work Jedha. I particularly enjoyed your work on 'dinasaur fossiles' too.
Anything else you want to clear up for us?
Detective Dipsh*t is on the case everyone!

 
At 19 September, 2006 05:46, Blogger shawn said...

hahahah debunked?

 
At 19 September, 2006 06:46, Blogger Chad said...

Kinda off topic, but is that weapon kinda' like the one that was used in the movie "Outbreak"?

Or have I just not had enough coffee yet this morning?

 
At 19 September, 2006 07:05, Blogger CHF said...

Yes Chad, I believe that's a fuel air bomb - the kind that blows apart everything within a half mile.

Yup, that's what hit the Pentagon.

These CT people are retards. All of them.

 
At 19 September, 2006 08:01, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Correction: What you see there is a "Daisy Cutter". It is not a fuel air bomb. I believe the explosive effect is somewhat similar but the mechanism is different. A fuel air bomb works by using a bursting charge to atomize and scatter the fuel, then the fuel ignites.

 
At 19 September, 2006 09:22, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

When FOR THE LOVE OF GOD will the Tin Foil Hatters drink the blue koolaide!!!!!

 
At 19 September, 2006 11:02, Blogger Malcolm said...

It always amazes me how every one of these theories is based on the simple willingness of our citizens to commit treason.

Sure, the guy flying the plane had no trouble with bombing his own country (let alone his bosses office building).

I forget who the law is named after, but there is a rule of thumb that says that the simplest answer is usually correct.

Maybe it's the UFO people, working with the international bankers, the oil cabal, and Karl Rove to take over the world.

 
At 19 September, 2006 11:17, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Malcolm,

You are talking about Occams Razor... the problem is that the CT looneys TRULY believe that they are proposing the simplist and most logical theory of 9/11, and that the Official Story is the one with logical leaps.

I'm serious.

Look in the SLC archives and you'll see I'm not kidding.

 
At 19 September, 2006 11:43, Blogger Malcolm said...

Jujigatami….

Thanks, I never can remember the proper name for that theory.

I spent several years as a financial auditor, so I’m used to wild and crazy BS excuses why white is black, black is white, and they didn’t steal the money.

I’ve seen people at their craziest and their worst. People, for example, swearing on the souls of their children that they didn’t steal the money while I have a videotape of them doing it in my briefcase.

Conspiracy theories can be fun, as a past-time or a game (kind of like the popular, “what would I do if I will a million $”), but it’s turning into something worse.

I saw a man on CNN (in the middle east), protesting us for one reason or another, and he used (as an excuse) the fact that the US Govt brought down the trade center. He was quoting all of the crazy theories that have gone around, and had used that to “prove” that the govt also had to be to blame for other stuff.

Questioning authority is good most of the time. But doubting everything you see, and seeing the boogie man in every shadow is just neurotic

 
At 19 September, 2006 11:56, Blogger Jujigatami said...

But doubting everything you see, and seeing the boogie man in every shadow is just neurotic

Oh, read some of the CTers posts here and you will soon see it goes far, far, far beyond neurosis.

I don't remember who, but someone here posted that explosives were built in to the trade center WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, and that the most credible and probable theory in his eyes.

Then you have Nesnyc who actually believes that the jews/zionists will establish a new world order lead by Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and Prince Harry of England. (paraphrasing, I know Nessie)

Add in to the mix the No planers and you get a bunch of psychotics that need far more specialized treatment than for common neurosis.

They are truly wicky in the wacky woo.

 
At 19 September, 2006 12:32, Blogger Alex said...

Joan/Chad:

Correction: What you see there is a "Daisy Cutter". It is not a fuel air bomb. I believe the explosive effect is somewhat similar but the mechanism is different. A fuel air bomb works by using a bursting charge to atomize and scatter the fuel, then the fuel ignites.

The Big Blue and the MOAB work on a similar principle, but you're right, they're not considered fuel-air explosive. The weapon in the movie "Outbreak" may have been the BLU-95/96 (which ARE fuel-air explosives), although I'm not certain on that so don't quote me.

Juji:
I don't remember who, but someone here posted that explosives were built in to the trade center WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, and that the most credible and probable theory in his eyes.

That was Nazinyc if I remember correctly. In any event, he's the only one around here crazy enough to come up with that. Joan and BG were never THAT out of 'er.

 
At 19 September, 2006 12:37, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Alex,

Was it really him?

The sad thing is that is actually some of the SANER stuff that he's posted.

Wow.

And I don't know, BG was/is a no planer. But yeah, compared to the newwer loonies, he is a genius.

 
At 19 September, 2006 12:59, Blogger default.xbe said...

(let alone his bosses office building)

i dont know, now that i think about it it would be pretty easy to convince someone to drop bombs on his boss's office, lol

 
At 19 September, 2006 13:39, Blogger CHF said...

I don't remember who, but someone here posted that explosives were built in to the trade center WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, and that the most credible and probable theory in his eyes.

It was indeed our National Socialist friend Nesnyc.

He even went as far as to speculate that the charges were placed in response to the 1973 oil crisis - even though the WTC towers were completed BEFORE then!

 
At 19 September, 2006 15:00, Blogger shawn said...

the problem is that the CT looneys TRULY believe that they are proposing the simplist and most logical theory of 9/11, and that the Official Story is the one with logical leaps.

Yup, Killtown had a post on his blog about how Occam's Razor supports the inside jobbers, while completely missing the meaning.

He said Occam's Razor supports them because it "says" that a bunch of coincidences means there is a conspiracy afoot - when, in actuality, Occam's Razor says they're just a bunch of coincidences.

 

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