Thursday, October 19, 2006

About Those Serial Numbers

One of the arguments that the Deniers like to use is that supposedly every single part of every single airplane has a serial number that identifies exactly which plane it came from. That is to say that that the planes uses for American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175, while essentially identical, would have different serial numbers on each of their parts.

But here's an article from Australian which reveals that this is another one of the Deniers' myths.

An elderly man with a heart condition was shocked when a bolt from a Boeing jet flying overhead plunged through the roof of his Sydney home.

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority later confirmed the 10cm bolt came from a Boeing jet either landing or taking off from Sydney airport this morning.

CASA will now try to find out which aircraft the bolt fell from.

CASA officials obtained the serial number from the bolt once firemen arrived at the scene.

"It is an aircraft bolt manufactured in America," CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said.

"It is used on a number of different types of Boeing aircraft and used in a number of locations including the wing flaps.

"The next question is what plane does it come from and that's not quite as easy."


More discussion of the serial numbers at the JREF forums, where the Australian story was first pointed out to me.

12 Comments:

At 19 October, 2006 08:16, Blogger Manny said...

It's not really a myth. It'll take them a while to track the part because things aren't kept as neat and accessible as the twoofers say, but if it's an important part they will be able to track it through the chain and indentify it to an aircraft. It is true that just about all key parts have serial numbers and that it is possible (eventually, if you really wanna) to match the part to a plane.

What's not true is that the NTSB matches every part to every crash. If United says they have a plane missing and that it's flight 123, a Boeing 737 and the NTSB finds the wreckage of a Boeing 737 and the relatives of the passengers and crew notice that their loved ones are missing, that's pretty much the "identification" that the NTSB does. They only track parts when it might be relevant to the investigation. In the case of the terrorist attacks, it is not thought that there were any mechanical failures so no one would bother to track any of the parts.

 
At 19 October, 2006 09:32, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Who hasn't seen articles about "blue ice" from leaky aircraft waste tanks falling on someone's lawn? That doesn't have serial numbers, either. Whats your point, that hardly anything in an aircraft has a serial number on it? You don't believe that.

How many serialized parts would experts think would likely be found in a 767/757 crash as in Shanksville or the Pentagon? There must be an estimate; the government keeps track of this kind of stuff.

 
At 19 October, 2006 10:03, Blogger Triterope said...

Who hasn't seen articles about "blue ice" from leaky aircraft waste tanks falling on someone's lawn? That doesn't have serial numbers, either.

Well, it does have "number two" in it.

 
At 19 October, 2006 10:13, Blogger default.xbe said...

How many serialized parts would experts think would likely be found in a 767/757 crash as in Shanksville or the Pentagon? There must be an estimate; the government keeps track of this kind of stuff.

the point isnt that there arent serialized parts (if you had bothered to read the post) the point is they cant just type the serial number into google and find out what plane it came from 2 seconds later

 
At 19 October, 2006 10:13, Blogger default.xbe said...

the government keeps track of this kind of stuff.

and why would the government keep track of airline parts?

 
At 19 October, 2006 10:19, Blogger James B. said...

and why would the government keep track of airline parts?


Didn't you see South Park? The government knows everything, EVERYTHING!!! (insert evil maniacal laugh here)

 
At 19 October, 2006 10:21, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

If you had on the new and improved multi directional tin foil hat you would already know the answer to that!

 
At 19 October, 2006 10:30, Blogger Triterope said...

There's a good thread on JREF about the part serial numbers, BTW. Apologies for crossposting, but it covers a lot of ground relevant to this discussion.

 
At 19 October, 2006 11:13, Blogger Dog Town said...

Well, it does have "number two" in it.

Where there's a 2, there is a one!

 
At 19 October, 2006 12:40, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Here is a question. If every single part had a serial number (unlikely), how many intact parts do you think they found? Isnt it entirely likely that many parts that were found, were "parts" of plane parts (a piece of a wing for example) that may have not had the SN printed on it.

Also, where is the proof that the investigation did not catalogue plane part serial numers...please link me so I may read.

TAM

 
At 19 October, 2006 13:09, Blogger shawn said...

Money! Beautiful money!

 
At 24 October, 2006 19:16, Blogger insidejob said...

a collection of good 9/11 documentaries is at http://belowgroundsurface.org

"Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime" is very good, documenting all the repressed investigations before the attacks, as well as the ignored warnings.

"Improbable Collapse," about the WTC collapses, is also good (you have to be patient in the first 10 minutes, b/c that's just introduction). interesting that the news corporations have a rule that news hosts have to get permission all the way from the top to show WTC 7's collapse. only one program has shown its collapse since 9/11.

"911 Mysteries" and "Press for Truth" cover a good bit as well

I would ignore Loose Change. that one has a lot of bunk, as Pat and James love to point out.

 

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