Killtown Gets Schooled
9-11 Debunker is debating our buddy Killtown in a private forum. Killtown is mostly sticking to the "just asking questions" game; good thing, because whenever he posts a statement, you can be sure it will be wrong:
I believe the "tonne" they are talking about wieghs about 850lbs (correct me if I'm wrong about that weight conversion).
posted by Pat @ 1:12 PM
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44 Comments:
If I'm going to get attacked (do the time), might as well do the crime:
Is this what caused the "jumpers" to jump on 9/11 from the WTC?
Great product features, such as, Shoot and Scoot.
".....causes the targeted
individuals to instinctively flee
or take cover."
Is this what caused the "jumpers" to jump on 9/11 from the WTC?
Unless that's a link to a fire or extreme heat, then no.
Shawn,
extreme heat, 1/16" deep.
And, while we are on the subject of Raytheon, looks like they are helping prevent those nasty attacks like happened to TWA 800:
Vigilant Eagle Airport Protection System
TWA 800 - Missile Website Roadmap
bg, your implying that the people who jumped from the towers did so because of this product, turns my stomach. I have lost any respect for you that I still had.
Curt Cameron said...
I'll make a not of it.
a note, not a "not"
default.xbe said...
so BG, you are implying that this room-sized anti-riot weapon was placed in the WTC (presumably on on each floor that had jumpers) 5 years before it was invented, solely for the purpose of herding people out the windows?
I wouldn't say this particular model. I'm looking for some energy source like it to explain the extremely strange behavior.
That isn't the stupidest theory I have heard. One truther suggested that special forces dropped by helicopter on to the top of the towers and threw people off.
That was one of the most disgusting things I've seen anyone post on these forums. Congratulations Bill, you've hit a new low. Not only are you a spammer, a paranoid delusional, and an idiot, you have now also shown yourself to be the worst kind of lowlife imaginable. I wouldn't piss in your mouth to save you from dying of thirst, you despicable little turd.
This "person" named "Killtown" was challenged by me to explain why he/she/it continues to post the most nonsensical blather about Flight 93, and what proof he/she/it has that "no bodies"
were found.
He/she/it ignored me. He/she/it said that the pictures of the smoke rising from the 93 crash site were faked by the woman who took them.
I did he/she/it one better: I composed a photo of a toilet bowl in the field where 93 crashed, to show how utterly stupid he/she/it's whole argument truly was.
"Is this what caused the "jumpers" to jump on 9/11 from the WTC?"
Perhaps it was being 110 stories up and facing being burned alive that made normal everyday people jump over 1,000 feet to the deaths.
Unless they digested some thermite/thermate and that caused the whole "jumping" thingy.
Shawn,
extreme heat, 1/16" deep.
How do you manage to construct such a perverse reality? Are you completely sick?
I wouldn't say this particular model.
There isn't a pocket version.
I'm looking for some energy source like it to explain the extremely strange behavior.
Its called Fire and even you in your sheltered, pathetic life must have learned at some point that fire hurts a lot. It hurts a lot more than some device that makes people 'flee'.
Try setting yourself on fire and you'll see yourself doing more than 'flee'.
Let's see...
Slow death by fire or asphyxiation, or... a quick, painless death? Hmm...
Yes, it is strange that those people didn't choose the slow, painful death! [/sarcasm]
I've asked you this before, BG, but you really aren't that bright, are you?
In continuing the discussion of the 9/11 "jumpers", let me put out snips of information that show how little we "know" about 9/11 and the jumpers:
Well after 9/11, Tom Junod a writer from Esquire magazine contacted the coroner's office in New York and asked for a count of how many people jumped. He was told that nobody jumped. The official word was that victims were blown out or they were forced out, but nobody jumped. "There were just those things that day that you were supposed to see, you weren't supposed to say and you weren't supposed to talk about."
Jumpers mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report....
p. 317
p. 326
p. 333
Footnote 125.
None of these references provide any detail that provides any understanding about the jumpers.
Tamar choked up as she said the jumpers "became organized," jumping in groups of two or three, holding hands.
Well after 9/11, Tom Junod a writer from Esquire magazine contacted the coroner's office in New York and asked for a count of how many people jumped. He was told that nobody jumped. The official word was that victims were blown out or they were forced out, but nobody jumped. "There were just those things that day that you were supposed to see, you weren't supposed to say and you weren't supposed to talk about."
Only bg would try to turn this into some kind of conspiracy nonsense, rather than an effort to try and be sensitive to the feelings of jumpers family members who might not want to think of their family members as committing suicide in the face of one of the worst ways of dying.
I can honestly find no words for how loathesome bg is.
I was shocked. Somehow, I had only been vaguely aware of the jumper stories. The US press in general did in fact downplay the shocking stories and pictures—in my case, very effectively. I had had the general sense that there were only a handful.
Tamar choked up as she said the jumpers "became organized," jumping in groups of two or three, holding hands.
Same thing happened during the Triangle Factory fire 90 years before 9/11. Are you implying their were microwave weapons back then as well?
None of these references provide any detail that provides any understanding about the jumpers.
Because most folks understand that people might prefer jumping to their death over being roasting alive. It doesn't need to be spelled out just because a few ghouls like you don't understand it.
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I was shocked. Somehow, I had only been vaguely aware of the jumper stories. The US press in general did in fact downplay the shocking stories and pictures
Oh, gee. I am sooo sorry that the media didn't provide you with a enough jumper videos to beat off to.
Good job taking that paragraph completely out of context, bg--There was no mention of the jumpers being blown out or forced out by anything other than smoke and/or fire. Dope. Why don't you go back and read it again?
BG I have seen videos of jumpers. I'm sure there are people who read this blog who witnessed this phenomenon with their own eyes.
There was a lot of combustion on the floors impacted by the airliners, but the video record clearly shows survivors on the same floors who managed to walk to the outside openings and look down for rescue, who were not burned. The jumpers appear to be escaping poisonous smoke, not fire. If you have ever been unfortunate enough to breath in poisonous air, you know that nothing is more compelling than the physical need to escape the poisonous air. The body knows when it is under sentence of death and will act, with or without conscious reason, to escape. But, some of the "jumpers" were clearly not jumpers at all, but were thrown from their perches on the edge of the north tower by the shock wave when the second plane exploded into the south tower, and again later when secondary explosions rocked their tower.
you guys love to play with Killtown, dont you.
much easier than debunking 911 press for truth, after all. and more fun, isnt it.
you guys love to play with Killtown, dont you.
much easier than debunking 911 press for truth, after all. and more fun, isnt it.
Oh, here we go again.
Early in this blog's history the concentration was specifically on Loose Change.
The troofer's complained: "LC is kids stuff, why don't you deal with the scholars? Bet you can't! They've got degrees and stuff. Haw HAw Haw!"
Soon the blog moved onto the scholars. It was noted that Jones' work was flawed, and that Fetzer was a complete freaking nutcase, Wood couldn't figure out physics of falling while falling. This was pointed out.
The Troother's complained: "Why do you pick on trooth scholar 'x'? Why don't you deal with the research of Killtown/911research/ho-dee-ho"
In time, the blog adress those folks and their so-called 'work'. It was the same flawed junk as before.
And the troother's complained...
So fx9, we have not been impressed with your latest, greatest addition to your shell game of incompetence.
well, im not very impressed by your answer either.
so, where is that frame-to-frame analysis of press for truth ?
so, where is that frame-to-frame analysis of press for truth ?
Does anyone else hear the sound of goalposts being moved?
I will say that has been one of the most civil debates I've seen online for quite some time. I'm not sure if owned is the proper term to describe the exchange.
Tis sad we can't have such civilized debates on this forum, but with the likes of Alex and Douchebag Dylan, it will never happen.
Not that I buy the no plane theory.
It would be interesting to examine the impact.
Biggest issue with Shanksville in my opinion is the 'imprint' of the plane in the ground. That is just an errier looking imprint.
Well it will be interesting to see if Killtown and his buddy get to the rubberized soft ground theory that 'bounced' the debris up to 8 miles away.
I tend to agree, although it's hard to judge where to draw the line. Bill is more civilized/civil than Wang-Dangler over there, but they're both just as nuts. And while Bill may spam the threads with off-topic junk to his favourite conspiracies, Kid-Diddler achieves the same effect through insults, rants, and incoherent posts about nothing in particular.
I guess I can see why Pat doesn't want to start banning people - it's much easier to let them all be than to try and figure which lunatic is the worst.
Press for Truth isn't MIHOP, it isn't even LIHOP. You Deniers should be debunking Press for Truth.
i think we'll have to wait for a long time untill the coverup-deniers will have something smart to say about 911 press for truth. its not the sort of stuff they like to discuss backwards and forwards. the reason is simple: it can't be "debunked" in the same way as loose change. now, i want to see you guys proving me wrong.
yea i know, pretty boring. why can't i make some funky conspiracy claim to make you guys laugh , instead asking for the same thing over and over...i know. too bad.
achieves the same effect through insults, rants, and incoherent posts about nothing in particular.
I really have to question your level of education based upon that statement. Perhaps they are incoherent because you do not have the mental capacity to undertand my posts. Yes I do believe that is it.
Alex you and a few others use the same tired old techniques of *drum roll please* personal attacks! Great job, liar!
And my insults to others only follows what they post first. That is the I'm rubber your glue theory.
Just wanted to finish my comments on the jumpers with this acknowledgment:
Fire, smoke, and heat can account for the jumpers.
the flaming bodies of the two people fell to the earth
below
Didn't Killtown say a few weeks ago that he was 13? If he did, then why did he vote as said in this thread:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2498
I really have to question your level of education based upon that statement. Perhaps they are incoherent because you do not have the mental capacity to undertand my posts. Yes I do believe that is it.
Right. Thankfully Pat just posted a gem of a post, saving me the effort of replying to you in detail. I suggest you check out his post.
I'll even quote an excerpt for you:
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.
It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense.
Bg said....
Tamar choked up as she said the jumpers "became organized," jumping in groups of two or three, holding hands.
Thus disproving the Raytheon rubbish you just posted. Well argued bg.
The Reverend Schmitt., FCD. said...
Bg said....
Tamar choked up as she said the jumpers "became organized," jumping in groups of two or three, holding hands.
Thus disproving the Raytheon rubbish you just posted. Well argued bg.
I'm always willing to follow the path to the truth, regardless of whether it makes me look bad for making a prior claim that didn't hold up.
BG, thanks for the link to the medieveal site. The individual does a nice job of supporting his theory of explosives in the towers for safety reasons. The videos are an excellent primary source for researchers. I was hoping he would get to factual information from engineers or designers confiming his theory. He does without a doubt provide conclusive evidence of the explosions that were heard in the towers using primary source material. That in turn confirms what the head Structural Engineer of the WTC said: Explosives could bring down the tires, not a plane and fuel.
Well, Swinger ACTS more aggressive than Bill....however, this is often used as a mask to hide deep insecurities. My guess is Bill's the pitcher, and SD the catcher. Bill's got that "cool, calm" quality about him. I can totally see him deadpanning "...Bend Over".
Maybe the the official word from the coroners office that victims were blown out or they were forced out, but nobody jumped is to prevent life insurance issues.
I would not put I past some insurance companies to deny payouts by saying your loved one did not die in the collapse but committed suicide.
This BG guy can't be that stupid, can he?
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