Friday, April 02, 2010

ANSWERing the Question

LeftWright, who's moderating 9-11 Blogger during the new glasnost era, asks at Truth Action:

Who are you referring to? Have you tried working with the ANSWER crowd?

We were civil and did everything they asked and they shut us out, again.

We endorsed the March 20th event, donated as much or more than most of the other organizations and they denied us two minutes to speak on stage.

Next time you see Brian Becker ask him why his brother Richard treats us so poorly in SF. Ask him why the ANSWER organizers threatened to call the police on WAC LA during their march.

The Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance booth was the most popular at the rally, but they won't let anyone mention 9/11 on their stage.

Tell me what you think is going on here, Jon?


This is a very good question, and the answer (ANSWER) is that the "peace" movement has collapsed so completely during the Obama Administration that they can't see that the "Truth" movement is now on a par with them. I remember back in 2006, the Troofers used to point to an oceanful of signs and say "Look, there's a 9-11 Truth poster." Now they actually dominate the scenery as we saw with the LA crowd.

But the peace movement is still operating under the old regime, where they had hundreds of thousands showing up to protest Bush. Nowadays they're drawing fractions of the Tea Party movement (which I neither endorse nor condemn). They are having a hard time adjusting to the fact that the Troofers are a very significant minority in the anti-Obama peace movement; probably larger than the Workers World Party cadres (from whom ANSWER was formed), and just as motivated.

I actually give Cindy Sheehan and Dahlia Wasfi some credit here; they seem to have adjusted to the realities on the ground. The 9-11 Troof movement is now a significant part of the peace movement. As to which side that benefits, deponent sayeth not.

26 Comments:

At 02 April, 2010 07:53, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you ever heard of Mohammed Mossadegh?\

http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html


Basically, the Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh, wanted to nationalize his country's oil (they had, and still have, a lot). At the time, a British business concern, the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, controlled Iran's oil, and the idea of losing that control to the natives, as it were, didn't really appeal to them. In fact, it pissed them off. So much so that the Brits asked the Americans if they'd like to help get rid of Mossadegh (at least, get him out of power), and eventually, the CIA was on board. And so, in 1953, they staged a coup that was made to look like a popular uprising, and it was sayonara Mohammed Mossadegh, hello Mohammed Reza Pahlavi (better known to us work-a-day Americans as the Shah).

Now, if you read the Times's report on this (the link above), they say this: “The outlines of the American role in the coup were disclosed in Iran at the outset and later in the memoirs of C.I.A. officers and other published accounts.” Now, that makes it sound (at least to me), that everybody in Iran knew that the CIA had orchestrated it shortly after the event. Which sounds odd to me. Why would they reveal this at all, let alone so soon, to the very country whose democratic government they so criminally interfered with? In any case, I did some digging, and found this, published in the Times in 1961 and written by one Harry Howe Ransom, (then a professor at Harvard, and described two years later in another Times article as “the leading academic student of C.I.A. [sic, i.e., not “the C.I.A”][1]): “For example, the C.I.A. played a dominant role in the overthrow of Premier Mossadegh in Iran in August, 1953, after his abortive attempt, in league with the Communist Tudeh party, to exit the pro-Western Shah. This role has never been officially admitted.”

I'm not trying to be a wise guy here; or if I am, it's not to make you feel bad, but to point out that, just because many years go by, and an secret operation is both complicated and involves many players, it doesn't mean that there has to be a whistleblower somewhere who'll blow the lid on the whole thing. Some times bad shit just happens.
The other point I want to raise is: let's say you're a well-educated American, and it's 1954, less than a year after the coup; and a friend of yours suggests that the coup might have been instigated, at least in part, but the CIA. What would you think? It's 1954, not even 10 years since America basically saved the world, destroying dictatorships and empires that sneered at ideas like “democracy” and “freedom”. We were the standard bearer of all the best things one could imagine, and we wanted the whole world to be free and live in a democracy, just like us, or so, I think it's safe to assume, most Americans thought. Can you imagine even conceiving that the US would do such a dastardly thing as overthrow a democratically elected government and replace it with a dictator? No, that would have been ludicrous. And that friend of yours would obviously have to be a paranoid conspiracy freak (even though I don't think the term had been coined then).

 
At 02 April, 2010 08:07, Blogger Triterope said...

tl;dr

 
At 02 April, 2010 09:03, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Anonymous, are you familiar with the Google machine?

 
At 02 April, 2010 09:31, Blogger Paul said...

I agree.

tl:dr

GTFO

 
At 02 April, 2010 10:59, Anonymous Ktesibios said...

Regarding "Anonymous"' post-

Is there a handy 'net-meme abbreviation for "what the frap is the relevance of this to the subject of discussion?"?

There are times when it sure would come handy.

 
At 02 April, 2010 11:06, Blogger Paul said...

lolwut? That's the closest thing I can think of.

 
At 02 April, 2010 11:11, Anonymous mr tibbs said...

Anonymous, these misguided historical digressions are convincing nobody. One of President Bush's speechwriters, using the great man himself as a conduit, put it best, - Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.

Those memorable words cut through your all your bullshit CIA 1953 parallels. In years to come, if you're lucky, you'll look back & laugh that you ever believed any of this David Icke style waffle, not unlike the way others laugh at you now.

 
At 02 April, 2010 11:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous whines, "...Have you ever heard of Mohammed Mossadegh?"

What the Hell does Mossadegh have to do with the "9/11 truth movement" co-opting the peace movement in order to discredit the peace movement?

Can you say deja vu? Because this is the same tactics the "flower children" used when they attempted to discredit the the legitimate opposition to the Vietnam War.

Bastards!

 
At 02 April, 2010 11:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Sorry, for the typo. The third paragraph should read:

"...Can you say deja vu? Because this is the same tactic the "flower children" used when they attempted to discredit the the legitimate opposition to the Vietnam War."

My bad.

 
At 02 April, 2010 12:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

9/11 was an inside job. Deal with it.

 
At 02 April, 2010 13:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...

9/11 was an inside job. Deal with it.

And yet still no proof!
Come on D'oh P. Get a new line!



DT

 
At 02 April, 2010 15:04, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Have you tried working with the ANSWER crowd?"

What's funny is that the cwazy twoooofers™ run up against a group of hard core commies who care about nothing except promoting the World Revolution™ and could give two flying fucks about anything else besides their quest to wield the whip over idiots like, well, twoooofers™ and they are astonsished at the result.

That's the problem with useful idiots, they're the ones squealing the loudest as the are led down the basement steps to be shot in the nape of the neck.

 
At 02 April, 2010 15:27, Blogger Triterope said...

I actually give Cindy Sheehan and Dahlia Wasfi some credit here; they seem to have adjusted to the realities on the ground.

Yes and no. Yes, they're adjusting to groups like the Twoofers becoming a larger percentage of the anti-war movement... but that's only happening because everyone else is leaving the anti-war movement for more current causes. They're missing the larger point, which is that their cause has become passe.

 
At 02 April, 2010 17:19, Blogger ConsDemo said...

The 9-11 Troof movement is now a significant part of the peace movement.

I'm not convinced that is the case, although they will certainly try to stink up any organization that will permit their presence, as the peace movement obviously does.

 
At 03 April, 2010 11:44, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

Imagine PornBoy the Nutty Reagan acolyte calling ANYONE a useful idiot.The mind reels.

 
At 03 April, 2010 13:11, Blogger Triterope said...

they will certainly try to stink up any organization that will permit their presence

...and the only organizations who will permit their presence are the ones who need all the bodies they can get.

 
At 03 April, 2010 13:44, Blogger Triterope said...

Imagine PornBoy the Nutty Reagan acolyte calling ANYONE a useful idiot.The mind reels.

Don't worry Arhoolie, I would never call you a useful idiot.

You are not useful.

 
At 03 April, 2010 14:22, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...
Imagine PornBoy the Nutty Reagan acolyte calling ANYONE a useful idiot.The mind reels."

Uh-oh, assholio is talking to his imaginary friend again.

Pitiful, just pitiful.

 
At 04 April, 2010 04:27, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I hear you can't even get imaginary friends, Laz.

 
At 04 April, 2010 06:30, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
From what I hear you can't even get imaginary friends, Laz."

See?


"From what I hear" is the voices in his head talking.

Completely unhinged.

 
At 04 April, 2010 14:42, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The voices in my head say you are lying about the voices in my head.

 
At 05 April, 2010 12:50, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

Hey Tritely,the other night I asked my wife out to dinner.She said:"take me somewhere I've never been".I said,"OK,how about we try the kitchen?!" Kla-boom!!

 
At 13 April, 2010 22:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Arsehoolie the cyber bore comes from a long line of real estate people--they're a vacant lot.

 
At 14 April, 2010 12:12, Anonymous Henny Junkman (or,GitShrill's Dope Dealer) said...

That's cute DogBoy! Did you hear about Dr.Wilson? Great Doctor,if you can't afford the operation he'll touch up the X-Rays! Kla-Boom!

 
At 14 April, 2010 15:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Arsehoolie, I have a helpful tip for you: No one will ever know that you've had a frontal-lobotomy if you wear a wig to hide to the scars and learn to control the slobbering.

Good luck!

 
At 16 April, 2010 10:47, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

I know a great Doctor,Dr.Welzer.Gave my friend six months to live.Guy couldn't pay the bill,gave him six more months!!

 

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