Wednesday, May 05, 2010

Scholars Slam Troofer Appearance

Nice to see someone cares about academic standards:

Some professors at the school argue conspiracy theories have no place at UQÀM.

Julien Tourreille, who holds the Raoul-Dandurand chair in strategic and diplomatic issues, told Montreal media outlets that Truthers are intellectually dishonest.

"I think it's a shame to see UQÀM's name associated to such a movement," Tourreille told Montreal newspaper La Presse last week. "It doesn't help the credibility of a research institution that tries to demonstrate that it employs serious people."

U.S. experts at other Quebec institutions, including Steven Saideman at McGill University and Louis Balthazar at Laval University, also spoke out in public against the conference.


Good to hear that somebody's standing up and denouncing this kookery. As usual, though, the real hilarity is in the comments section. For example:

This link is for open minded readers.

Those unwilling to look at evidence, ignore the link and pass on.

http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf

The writer is a US Defence Department historian.

Read more about her at Patriotsquestion9/11.


Barbara Honegger? The Munchkin?

81 Comments:

At 05 May, 2010 15:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whole article:



Administrators at the University of Quebec in Montreal (UQÀM) say they will develop a formal policy for outside groups renting campus space for events after a controversial lecture about 9/11 drew fire by academic staff.

But the French-language university defended its right to have contentious speakers lecture on campus as part of free speech, saying it was appropriate to debate ideas, as long as events don't incite riots.

The Monday night lecture, hosted by World for 9/11 Truth, drew about 700 people who came to hear from two U.S. academics who deny the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were carried out by terrorists.

The researchers – David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage – believe the U.S. government played a major role in orchestrating the deadly attacks on New York City's Twin Towers and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.

Griffin and Gage are lobbying for an independent inquiry into the attacks, which killed 3,000 people. Their theories – part of the self-titled Truthers movement that formed after Sept. 11 – have been repeatedly discounted by scientists and civil engineering experts.
U.S. experts at UQÀM upset

Some professors at the school argue conspiracy theories have no place at UQÀM.

Julien Tourreille, who holds the Raoul-Dandurand chair in strategic and diplomatic issues, told Montreal media outlets that Truthers are intellectually dishonest.

"I think it's a shame to see UQÀM's name associated to such a movement," Tourreille told Montreal newspaper La Presse last week. "It doesn't help the credibility of a research institution that tries to demonstrate that it employs serious people."

U.S. experts at other Quebec institutions, including Steven Saideman at McGill University and Louis Balthazar at Laval University, also spoke out in public against the conference.

Griffin and Gage gave a similar talk at the University of Toronto over the weekend.


Nothing about Barbara Honegger.

 
At 05 May, 2010 15:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat,

French Canadian journalist, Judith Lachapelle of La Presse, wrote the following article for cyberpresse.ca.

The original article is written in French, Here's the translation:

"...The organization, next Monday with the UQAM university, of a conference which supposes a participation of the US government in the attacks of September 11th causes a discomfort in certain professors, learned the Press. The UQAM is only the lessor of the conference room, but her name and its reputation is used by the organizers to promote the event.

"The World911Truth organization will meet with the UQAM Monday for a conference with Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin, two critics American which conduct a campaign to claim an 'independent' investigation into collapse of the two twin towers and Tower 7 in NYC.

"The assumptions advanced by those which were sometimes described as Truthers (kind of 'researchers of truth') or conspirationnists were refuted many times by the scientists. Their remarks cause also the controversy because they suppose that the government of George Bush fomented the attacks of September 11th, 2001.

"For certain professors, in particular the specialists in the United States which knows well the theories advanced by these criticisms, the name of the UQAM should have in no way being related to the crusade carried out per M. Cage, M. Griffin and their partisans. Julien Tourreille, researcher in Observatoire of the United States to the Raoul-Dandurand chair, shows them to be 'intellectually dishonest persons' and qualifies them even 'liars, impostors and swindlers'. 'I find damagable to see the name of the UQAM coupled to such a movement, it's not using the credibility of an institution looking for credibility on the public place, to show that it employs serious people.'

"An opinion in particular shared by Louis Balthazar, copresident of the Observatory. 'the UQAM should not lend its name to this organization.'

"The director of the relationships to the media of the UQAM, Francine Jacques, admits that the decision to rent a room with World911Truth is debatable. The policy of hiring of the rooms of the university is besides in revision to be more clearly in agreement with the university mission.

"'There are certain things which one is certain not to want, and others for which it is fuzzier as it is the case here', she says. It is not acquired that World911Truth will be able to again present a conference under the terms of the new rules."


Source: cyberpresse.ca: Conférence sur les attentats du 11 septembre: malaise à l'UQAM by Judith Lachapelle.

There you have it, troofers™ are "intellectually dishonest persons", who are best described as "liars, impostors and swindlers."

%^)



The 911 "truth" Movement--If You Can Find a Fact in Our Pamphlets, We'll Eat Them.

 
At 05 May, 2010 15:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous proves, once again, that he can't read, "...Nothing about Barbara Honegger."

Did you read Pat's Original Post, genius?

Here you go, let's try again shall we?

"...Good to hear that somebody's standing up and denouncing this kookery. As usual, though, the real hilarity is in the comments section. For example: This link is for open minded readers. Those unwilling to look at evidence, ignore the link and pass on.

http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf

The writer is a US Defence Department historian. Read more about her at Patriotsquestion9/11."
-- posted by Pat at 10:50 AM on May 5, 2010

So what part of "honegger.pdf" don't you understand, Einstein?

"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny.



9/11 "truth": Free Moonbat Guano Here. Great Fertilizer for Your Conspiranoid Garden.

 
At 05 May, 2010 15:35, Blogger Triterope said...

Whole article:

(snip)

Nothing about Barbara Honegger.


He clearly said "comments section," you fucking dolt.

 
At 05 May, 2010 15:53, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geez guys, don't get your panties in a twist. Why so upset about Honegger?


He clearly said "comments section," you fucking dolt.

Another debunker off his meds. Consider anger management. Or yoga classes.

You're right, Pat said the comments, but what's the point of mentioning her at all? Be honest; if it wasn't Honegger, a person known to be fringe among Truthers, Pat wouldn't care.

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous scribbles, "...You're right, Pat said the comments, but what's the point of mentioning her at all? Be honest; if it wasn't Honegger, a person known to be fringe among Truthers, Pat wouldn't care."

Riiiiiight.

I swear, you can't make this stuff up.

Formula: Any troofer lunatic placed under the spotlight by Pat or James is, by definition, relegated to "the fringe of the truth movement."

LOL!

Try again, Pinocchio.


The 911 "truth" Movement, aka., Fair Play For al Qaeda Committee (Meets Here 1-4 PM).

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Formula: Any troofer™ lunatic placed under the spotlight by Pat or James is, by definition, relegated to "the fringe of the truth movement."

Simple test: register at a large truther site or forum that has a track record of not putting up with the fringies and ask what they think of Honegger.

But you're too lazy to do that. According to your logic Troy Sexton represents the majority of what debunkers are all about. What was that formula again?

Formula: Any debunker™ lunatic placed under the spotlight by the law or any Truther, is by definition, relegated to "the fringe of debunkers."

Works for me. Thanks!

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:25, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
Geez guys, don't get your panties in a twist. Why so upset about Honegger?"


It's not Honegger, it's you.

Because you got away from your handlers again and managed to make it to the free library without falling into an open manhole.

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:25, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Formula: Any troofer™ lunatic placed under the spotlight by Pat or James is, by definition, relegated to "the fringe of the truth movement."

Every.

Fucking.

Time.

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous prevaricates, "...But you're too lazy to do that. According to your logic Troy Sexton represents the majority of what debunkers are all about. What was that formula again?"

"Logic"? It's a wonder that you can spell logic.

On the contrary, I don't recall relegating Troy to "the fringe of debunkers."

Straw man argument.

Try again, genius.

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:35, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the contrary, I don't recall relegating Troy to "the fringe of debunkers."

You're admitting Troy is the debunker standard or average? My mistake. I was giving you guys more credit than that.

If you make a habit of painting a group with a broad brush, don't whine when it happens to you.

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous whines, "...You're admitting Troy is the debunker standard or average? My mistake. I was giving you guys more credit than that."

Straw man argument.

"...If you make a habit of painting a group with a broad brush, don't whine when it happens to you."

How does one "[paint] a group" of lunatics "with a broad brush"?

 
At 05 May, 2010 17:02, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

Anonymous whines, "...You're admitting Troy is the debunker standard or average? My mistake. I was giving you guys more credit than that."

Straw man argument.


That's sarcasm, moron.

Seriously, what do you think about Troy Sexton? Does he make debunkers look good? Bad? Doesn't matter? Inquiring minds want to know!

Or we could go back on topic. While Quebec might not be happy with Gage, the scholars also said:

But the French-language university defended its right to have contentious speakers lecture on campus as part of free speech, saying it was appropriate to debate ideas, as long as events don't incite riots.

This sounds fair no matter what you think about 911 truth.

Or you can have more fun with ad hominums. Your choice, buddy.

 
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At 05 May, 2010 17:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous prevaricates, "...Or we could go back on topic."

I don't know. After all, I'm not the one who trolls SLC pulling every thread off-topic--that would be your thing, Anonymous.

"...as long as events don't incite riots."

Or random shootings by "love is the only way forward" troofers™.

%^)

 
At 05 May, 2010 17:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know. After all, I'm not the one who trolls SLC pulling every thread off-topic--that would be your thing, Anonymous.

Weren't you the one howling about staying on topic? Just trying to keep your blood pressure down.

 
At 05 May, 2010 17:49, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous prevaricates, "...Weren't you the one howling about staying on topic? Just trying to keep your blood pressure down."

Then stay on-topic, troll.

And while you're working on that, try to read the original post before you comment.

 
At 05 May, 2010 17:54, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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AS PREDICTED, YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT AND DECLARED VICTORY.

NOW COCKSUCKER, ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION:

So, where in your vaunted "three questions" did you mention the "buckling" of column 79A?

NOW, ANSWER THE QUESTION--YOU QUOTE MINING COCKSUCKER!

03 May, 2010 17:28


Send him my bill.

 
At 05 May, 2010 18:00, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then stay on-topic, troll.

Technically one precludes the other.

 
At 05 May, 2010 18:22, Blogger GuitarBill said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

 
At 05 May, 2010 18:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So what's your point, ass-face?

So far, you've proven nothing--with the exception of your intellectual dishonesty.

And like I said, ass-clown, stay on-topic.

 
At 05 May, 2010 18:28, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And like I said, ass-clown, stay on-topic.

You first.

 
At 05 May, 2010 18:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Fuck you.

Show us your evidence, liar.

 
At 05 May, 2010 18:47, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 05 May, 2010 18:55, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Evidence?

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

Any more lies for us, Anonymous?

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HERE'S YOUR INSIDE JOB AMERICAN HATING TWOOFER COCKSUCKERS

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:23, Blogger Triterope said...

Simple test: register at a large truther site or forum that has a track record of not putting up with the fringies and ask what they think of Honegger.

This is what's known as circular logic.

First you say Honegger is fringe. Then you ask me to consult websites with "a track record of not putting up with the fringe"... a determination made only by you.

Since you're the one deciding who's fringe, and who is valid to judge who is fringe, your statement logically boils down to "people who agree with me agree with me." Congratulations on that.

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

HERE'S YOUR INSIDE JOB AMERICAN HATING TWOOFER COCKSUCKERS


Way to show how deranged debunkers can be, Guitarbill, I mean, "Anonymous".

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:39, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simple test: register at a large truther site or forum that has a track record of not putting up with the fringies and ask what they think of Honegger.

This is what's known as circular logic.


No that would be known as research instead of idle speculation. But you'd prefer to act as if all people in the Truth Movement are the same as no planes and space beam loons.

Hey that's okay as long as Truther's can treat all debunkers the same as Troy Sexton the child abuser loon.

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First you say Honegger is fringe. Then you ask me to consult websites with "a track record of not putting up with the fringe"... a determination made only by you.

Wrong. I specified no websites. I was leaving that up to your expert research, since you show from Lazarus' statement

"Formula: Any troofer™ lunatic placed under the spotlight by Pat or James is, by definition, relegated to "the fringe of the truth movement."

it must happen often enough to mock it. You've been commenting here 4 years, you should have some idea which sites have Truthers with high standards you could ask.

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous bald-faced lies, "...Way to show how deranged debunkers can be, Guitarbill, I mean, 'Anonymous'."

Fuck you, Anonymous.

You know damned well that you made that post, asshole.

After all, I'm not closet homosexual. You on the other hand...

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:59, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Simple test: register at a large truther site or forum that has a track record of not putting up with the fringies and ask what they think of Honegger.

All twoofers are fringe. Like all conspiracy theories, the whole twoofer belief system is based on made up "evidence" designed to satisfy an ideological viewpoint. There is nothing mainstream or normal about it. There is no difference between twooferism and people who think Elvis is still alive or the earth is flat.

 
At 05 May, 2010 20:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck you, Anonymous.

You know damned well that you made that post, asshole.


Liar. I'm not the one saying cocksucker every other comment/thread. Not my fault you're so obvious.

 
At 05 May, 2010 20:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 05 May, 2010 20:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no difference between twooferism and people who think Elvis is still alive or the earth is flat.

Well, there's no such thing as "twooferism" either. That's a made up word. I would argue your point, but your definitions are imaginary.

 
At 05 May, 2010 20:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Who gives a fuck what you think, Anonymous?

After all, you can't read.

Now go to bed, junior, this blog is for adults.

 
At 05 May, 2010 20:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

Who gives a fuck what you think, Anonymous?

After all, you can't read.

Now go to bed, junior, this blog is for adults.


Shright. "Adults" who say cocksucker when they run out of arguments and use imaginary words. And the teabagger's imaginary friends. Sounds like you all need special time together. Have fun!

 
At 05 May, 2010 20:38, Blogger GuitarBill said...

No liar, an adult who used the word cocksucker to describe you when out of nowhere you changed the subject and refused to answer my questions like a common troll.

Any more lies for us, Pinocchio?

 
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At 06 May, 2010 08:12, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"But you'd prefer to act as if all people in the Truth Movement are the same as no planes and space beam loons."

They are.

Complete conspiratard lunatics, certifiably insane. Every last one of them.

 
At 06 May, 2010 08:13, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Hey that's okay as long as Truther's can treat all debunkers the same as Troy Sexton the child abuser loon."

You can't.

 
At 06 May, 2010 15:53, Blogger Triterope said...

No that would be known as research instead of idle speculation. But you'd prefer to act as if all people in the Truth Movement are the same as no planes and space beam loons.

You're not worth the time it would take to mock you.

 
At 06 May, 2010 17:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger Triterope said...

No that would be known as research instead of idle speculation. But you'd prefer to act as if all people in the Truth Movement are the same as no planes and space beam loons.

You're not worth the time it would take to mock you.

06 May, 2010 15:53


Yet you make the time anyway, proving yourself wrong.

FLUNK!

 
At 06 May, 2010 18:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE REAL TRUTH MOVEMENT PAT AND JAMESB ARE SCARED OF


Family Members

Donna Marsh O’Connor — Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer
Bob McIlvaine — Father of Bobby McIlvaine
Helen McIlvaine — Mother of Bobby McIlvaine
Jean Canavan — Sister in Law of Sean Canavan
Manny Badillo — Nephew of Thomas Joseph Sgroi
Chris Burke — Brother of Tom Burke
Michele Little — Sister of David M. Weiss
Lorie Van Auken — Wife of Kenneth Van Auken
Monica Gabrielle — Wife of Richard S. Gabrielle
Patricia Casazza — Wife of John Casazza
Mindy Kleinberg — Wife of Alan Kleinberg
Robin Della Rocca — Aunt of Vanessa Lang Langer
Michelle Madden — Mother of Richard B. Madden
Barry Zelman — Brother of Kenneth Zelman
Margaret Canavan — Mother of Sean Canavan
Ciaran Canavan — Brother of Sean Canavan
Celine Traynor — Sister of Sean Canavan
Kathleen McKeon — Sister of Sean Canavan
Teresa McCaffery — Sister of Sean Canavan
Mimi Kelly Donegan — Sister of Bill Kelly Jr.
Vera Murphy Trayner — Wife of Patrick Sean Murphy
Gayle Baker — Sister of William A. Karnes
Cynthia Droz — Wife of Charles A. Droz
Cherie Faircloth — Sister in Law of John Resta
Lorraine Moskal — Wife of William D. Moskal
Paul E. Geidel — Father of Gary Geidel, FDNY
Teresa Badillo — Sister of Thomas J. Sgroi
John Sgroi — Brother of Thomas J. Sgroi
Eileen Sgroi — Sister-in-law of Thomas J. Sgroi
Anthony Badillo — Nephew of Thomas J. Sgroi
Lauren Badillo — Niece of Thomas J. Sgroi
Ann F. Rago — Aunt of Thomas J. Sgroi
Susan McCormick — Sister of Lt. Paul T. Mitchell
Thomas Resta — Brother of John Resta,
Sylvia San Pio Resta, and their unborn baby
Robert Carlo FDNY — Brother of Michael Carlo, FDNY

 
At 06 May, 2010 18:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ivy Moreno — Mother of Yvette Nicole Moreno
JoAnn Meehan — Mother of Collen Ann Barkow
Maureen Santora — Mother of Christopher A. Santora
Al Santora — Father of Christopher A. Santora
Maureen Godshalk — Mother of Bill Godshalk
Adele Welty — Timothy Matthew Welty, FDNY
Gila Barzvi — Mother of Guy Barzvi
Robert T. O’Connor — Stepfather of Vanessa Lang Langer
Robert Andreacchio — John Andreacchio
Dolores LaVerde — Mother of Jeannine LaVerde
Madeleine Zuccala — Wife of Joseph J. Zuccala
Madeline Bergin — Wife of John P. Bergin, FDNY
Nancy Yambem — Wife of Jupiter Yambem
Patricia J. Perry — Mother of John W. Perry
James L. Perry — Father of John W. Perry
Joel R. Perry — Brother of John W. Perry
Janice Perry Montoya — Sister of John W. Perry
Maureen Hunt — Sister of Kathleen Hunt Casey
Patricia Reilly — Sister of Lorraine Mary Riley
Jo Anne Bruehert — Wife of Richard G. Bruehert
Cathy D'Alessandro — Sister of Rocco Nino Gargano
Richard Pecorella — Fiancee of Karen S. Juday
Renee Stahlman, — Mother of Eric Stahlman
Sam Stahlman — Father of Eric Stahlman
Gary Meo — Best Friend of Eric Stahlman
Judith Hobson — Mother of Robert Wayne Hobson, III
Michelle Spinelli — Frank Spinelli
Christopher Spinelli — Frank Spinelli
Manuela Nita-Vasquez — Wife of Cono Gallo
Janine Winter — Cousin of Kathryn LaBorie
Alissa Torres — Wife of Luis Eduardo Torres
Robert Mercado — Brother in Law of Marc David Sullins
John M. Ulhich — Cousin of Bradley Van Hoorn
Madeline Smith — Mother of Jeffrey R. Smith
Audrey Magnuson — Wife of Ronald Magnuson
Christine O'Neill — Wife of John P. O'Neill, FBI
Sally Asaro — Sister of Carl F. Asaro, FDNY
Buzz Smith — Father of Jeffrey R. Smith
Myrta Gschaar — Wife of Robert Gschaar
Joanna Jakubiak — Daughter of Maria Jakubiak
Carol Eckna — Mother of Paul Robert Eckna
Stanley Eckna — Father of Paul Robert Eckna
Richard Eckna — Brother of Paul Robert Eckna
Maria R. Fisher — Sister of Andrew Fisher
Margaret Mauro — Sister of Dorothy Mauro
Eileen Woods — Sister of James Woods
Joyce Woods — Mother of James Woods
Robert Nelson — Nephew of Richard Fitzsimons
William A. Brinnier — Best Friend of Frank DeMartini
Catherine Statz — Sister of Patricia J. Statz
Ira Lassman — Father of Nicholas C. Lassman
Bill Kelly — Father of Billy Kelly
JoAnne Kelly — Mother of Billy Kelly
Kathleen Hamilton — Sister of Billy Kelly
Colleen Kelly — Sister of Billy Kelly
Meigan Keane — Sister of Billy Kelly
Robert Madden — Brother of Richard B. Madden
Susan Newton-Carter — Wife of Christopher Newton-Carter
Laura Paterson — Steven B. Paterson
Patric Tengelin — Brother of David Tengelin
Geraldine Lewis — Mother of Adam Lewis
Patricia Bingley — Mother of Kevin Dennis
John Echavarria — Cousin of Matthew Pedicini
Michael McNulty — Uncle of Sean Peter McNulty
JoAnn Statz — Mother of Patricia Statz
Cathie Ong — Sister of Betty Ann Ong
Valerie Lucznikowska — Aunt of Adam Arias

 
At 06 May, 2010 18:13, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
THE REAL TRUTH MOVEMENT PAT AND JAMESB ARE SCARED OF"

Ooooo, big fucking deal.

 
At 06 May, 2010 18:35, Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
THE REAL TRUTH MOVEMENT PAT AND JAMESB ARE SCARED OF"

Ooooo, big fucking deal."

YEAH THE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE A BIG FUCKING DEAL

SO ARE THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

First Responders

Edith Beaujon
John Feal
Charlie Giles
Regina Cervantes
Steve Centore
Pat McQuillan
Bill Gleason
John Schroeder
Joey Rapps
Thomas Mecir
Ed Potkay
David Kirolos
Ben Strutt
Brian Carswell
Robert Penn
Justin Frank
Judy Wolff
Wiliam Dement
Edmund Mulqueen
Amilcar Rodriguez
Dan Feinstein
Jose Oyola
Gaetano Fundaro
Julieanne Jackson
Nereida Ferran
Frank DenDanto III
Mike McCormack

 
At 06 May, 2010 18:40, Blogger Triterope said...

Yet you make the time anyway, proving yourself wrong.

I didn't mock you.

 
At 06 May, 2010 19:26, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MORE OF THE REAL TRUTH MOVEMENT


Survivors

Janette MacKinlay
William Rodriguez
James G. Lecce
Gregory P. Mango
Robert Clouser
Raymond Hayden
Eileen Coles
Linda Abbott
Sue Astacio
Miguel Espinal
Daniel Lenahan
Nancy Siesel
Sharron L. Clemons
Michael Hughes
Sharon Wlosek
Robert Dorn
Patrick Mangan
Robert E. Salt
John Nevin
H. Lee Alexander
Thomas Sarr
David Long
Colin Hall
Rachel Hughes

 
At 06 May, 2010 20:12, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"YEAH THE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE A BIG FUCKING DEAL"

No, they're not.


So, out of a large population, those killed on 9/11, you found some kooks.

Big fucking deal.

And if they aren't kooks....

do they know you're using their names?

 
At 06 May, 2010 20:12, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"MORE OF THE REAL TRUTH MOVEMENT"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

 
At 06 May, 2010 20:16, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Cindy Sheehan lost a son in the Iraq war.

She tried to used that fact as an absolute moral authority to attack George Bush.

The truth is she's a despicable scumbag, who tapdanced on her son's coffin to score political points.

So, no, I'm not impressed with your "lists".

 
At 07 May, 2010 06:23, Anonymous Goff said...

"MORE OF THE REAL TRUTH MOVEMENT"

Are all of those signatories necessarily part of the truth [sic] movement? From what I saw, the petition they signed mentions nothing about an inside job, controlled demolition, or other "truther" dogma. It seems worded in such a way as to pull in pretty much anyone who thinks more should be known about how and why the 9/11 attacks occurred. Not that I'd be surprised if the "truthers" used trickery in an effort to lend legitimacy to their outlandish theories.

 
At 07 May, 2010 08:40, Blogger Triterope said...

Are all of those signatories necessarily part of the truth [sic] movement?

They're NYC-CAN signatories.

I'm not sure why we're supposed to be impressed with this, because the EPIC FAIL of NYCCAN has been thoroughly documented here and elsewhere.

 
At 07 May, 2010 16:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Triterope said...

Are all of those signatories necessarily part of the truth [sic] movement?

They're NYC-CAN signatories.

I'm not sure why we're supposed to be impressed with this, because the EPIC FAIL of NYCCAN has been thoroughly documented here and elsewhere.


Epic reading impairment and way to try to change the subject. It's obvious the point was those people are part of the real Truth Movement and are NOT
American haters, Jew haters, Nazis, spacebeamers or teabaggers, ergo Pat and JameB will not talk about them or anyone like them, regardless of what they're involved in.


Duh.

 
At 07 May, 2010 16:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

Cindy Sheehan lost a son in the Iraq war.

She tried to used that fact as an absolute moral authority to attack George Bush.

The truth is she's a despicable scumbag, who tapdanced on her son's coffin to score political points.


Pot meet kettle. Or does Lazarus have proof Cindy sheehan is a "despicable scumbag, who tapdanced on her son's coffin to score political points"?

 
At 07 May, 2010 17:08, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Pot meet kettle. Or does Lazarus have proof Cindy sheehan is a "despicable scumbag, who tapdanced on her son's coffin to score political points"?"

Put "Cindy Sheehan" into google.

Then go back and read any random news story about her for, ohh, the last 8 years.

Ipso facto, you elbow licking retard.

 
At 07 May, 2010 17:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"Pot meet kettle. Or does Lazarus have proof Cindy sheehan is a "despicable scumbag, who tapdanced on her son's coffin to score political points"?"

Put "Cindy Sheehan" into google.

Then go back and read any random news story about her for, ohh, the last 8 years.

Ipso facto, you elbow licking retard.


According to Lazarus Logic(a special branch of magical thinking), ANY random news story about Cindy Sheehan, for the last 8 years, will PROVE she's a "despicable scum bag, tapdancing on her sons coffin to score political points"?

Let check. What about this one?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00122.htm

Cindy Sheehan to Lead Rally in Charlottesville, Va

Wednesday, 11 July 2007, 10:10 am

Column: David Swanson

Cindy Sheehan to Lead Rally in Charlottesville, Va.

WHAT: Rally for peace, justice, and impeachment, part of Cindy Sheehan's "Journey for Humanity" march/drive from Crawford, Texas, to New York City.

WHO: Cindy Sheehan, other leading activists for peace and justice, the Charlottesville Center for Peace and Justice, Code Pink, and other allied peace and justice organizations.

WHEN: Friday, July 20, 6:00 p.m.

WHERE: Outside, on the west end of the Downtown Mall, in front of the Charlottesville Ice Park, in Charlottesville, Va.

 
At 07 May, 2010 17:50, Blogger Triterope said...

It's obvious the point was those people are part of the real Truth Movement

Again with this "real Truthers" nonsense, as defined only by you. Read this.

and are NOT American haters

They are if you think rule of law, jurisdiction, fair trial, objective judges, and separation of powers are American concepts. The petition's demands were a giant middle finger to every aspect of American jurisprudence. Read the JREF link I posted. Especially this.

ergo Pat and JameB will not talk about them or anyone like them

Pat and JamesB have made many posts about the Jersey Girls, Bob McIlvaine, and NYCCAN (linked previously).

It's obvious you just discovered 9-11 Truth last week, and know nothing about it.

 
At 07 May, 2010 18:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...



Tritrope said...

They are if you think rule of law, jurisdiction, fair trial, objective judges, and separation of powers are American concepts. The petition's demands were a giant middle finger to every aspect of American jurisprudence.


According to you anyone who questions laws or their enforcement hates America? That's nuts and in complete contradiction of how a free society is supposed to act. Unless you think people who questioned the legality of slavery or women not voting "hated America" too.


Pat and JamesB have made many posts about the Jersey Girls, Bob McIlvaine, and NYCCAN (linked previously).

It's obvious you just discovered 9-11 Truth last week, and know nothing about it.


No, that's about the time I noticed this blog and how strange it is.

I've been in part of the Truth movement for a little over a year ago now.

 
At 07 May, 2010 18:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous, why the NYC-CAN Signatories? What do they prove?

Think about the 80,000 New Yorkers who allegedly signed the petition. That said, I'd generously estimate 80 people in attendance at the "truth" march. That means the troofers got ~0.1% of the people who signed the petition.

LOL!

And when one considers that New York has a population in excess of 8.8 million people, 80,000 signature works out to ~0.91% of the population.

ROTFLMAO!

Source: YouTube: NYCCAN March Sep 27, 2009 - The smallest protest in NYC, ever.

Question: Why are those crazy people chanting "9/11 TOOTH NOW... (rabble rabble) 9/11 TOOTH NOW!..."?

And remember, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 07 May, 2010 18:30, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

Anonymous, why the NYC-CAN Signatories? What do they prove?


Work. On. Reading. Skillz.

SEE

Anonymous said...

Triterope said...

Are all of those signatories necessarily part of the truth [sic] movement?

They're NYC-CAN signatories.

I'm not sure why we're supposed to be impressed with this, because the EPIC FAIL of NYCCAN has been thoroughly documented here and elsewhere.


Epic reading impairment and way to try to change the subject. It's obvious the point was those people are part of the real Truth Movement and are NOT
American haters, Jew haters, Nazis, spacebeamers or teabaggers, ergo Pat and JameB will not talk about them or anyone like them, regardless of what they're involved in.


Duh.

 
At 07 May, 2010 18:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous scribbles, "...Work. On. Reading. Skillz."

I read your lies, Anonymous, so don't pat yourself on the back.

And you should take your own advise, jackass.

Read it again, twit:

"...Think about the 80,000 New Yorkers who allegedly signed the petition. That said, I'd generously estimate 80 people in attendance at the "truth" march. That means the troofers™ got ~0.1% of the people who signed the petition...And when one considers that New York has a population in excess of 8.8 million people, 80,000 signature works out to ~0.91% of the population."

Thus, it's appropriate to ask the following question: When one considers the demographics, why isn't it perfectly valid to conclude that troofers™ are an insignificant portion of the population--a group of fringe nutters™?

And remember, I'm just askin' questions...

%^)

 
At 07 May, 2010 19:15, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guitarbill's really a musician? What does he do, covers for reruns of the Lawrence Welk show?

 
At 07 May, 2010 19:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous tries another cheap misdirection ploy, and scribbles, "...Guitarbill's really a musician? What does he do, covers for reruns of the Lawrence Welk show?"

That stupidity doesn't answer my questions.

Why do you refuse to stay on-topic, junior?

And remember, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 07 May, 2010 20:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That stupidity doesn't answer my questions.

Why do you refuse to stay on-topic, junior?

And remember, I'm just askin' questions...


Nice evasion. Bet he's just some geek who WISHES he played the guitar. Cuz music is kool and he might get laid.

 
At 07 May, 2010 20:21, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"According to Lazarus Logic(a special branch of magical thinking), ANY random news story about Cindy Sheehan, for the last 8 years, will PROVE she's a "despicable scum bag, tapdancing on her sons coffin to score political points"?"

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension or something?

 
At 07 May, 2010 20:23, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Cindy Sheehan to Lead Rally in Charlottesville, Va

Wednesday, 11 July 2007, 10:10 am

Column: David Swanson

Cindy Sheehan to Lead Rally in Charlottesville, Va.

WHAT: Rally for peace, justice, and impeachment, part of Cindy Sheehan's "Journey for Humanity" march/drive from Crawford, Texas, to New York City."

tappity tap tap tap.

 
At 07 May, 2010 21:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...


tappity tap tap tap.


Huh? You like tap dancing? You're typing something?

Jesus, what a weirdo.

 
At 07 May, 2010 22:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"Cindy Sheehan to Lead Rally in Charlottesville, Va

Wednesday, 11 July 2007, 10:10 am

Column: David Swanson

Cindy Sheehan to Lead Rally in Charlottesville, Va.

WHAT: Rally for peace, justice, and impeachment, part of Cindy Sheehan's "Journey for Humanity" march/drive from Crawford, Texas, to New York City."

tappity tap tap tap.


I get it. Anyone whos part of a peace march or wants to stop stupid wars is " tap dancing graves". Typical teabagger/Rethuglican "thinking".

FLUNK

Reread post @Triterope:
According to you anyone who questions laws or their enforcement hates America? That's nuts and in complete contradiction of how a free society is supposed to act. Unless you think people who questioned the legality of slavery or women not voting "hated America" too.

 
At 07 May, 2010 22:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous prevaricates, "...Nice evasion. Bet he's just some geek who WISHES he played the guitar. Cuz music is kool and he might get laid."

That's not an answer, liar.

Do you have anything more than ad hominem attacks, mental midget?

And remember, I'm only askin' questions...

 
At 08 May, 2010 07:37, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

The names 'Anonymous' cites signed this document:

'We, the undersigned Families, First Responders and Survivors of September 11 raise our voice with those from across our country and around the world in support of NYC CAN and the establishment of an independent, impartial subpoena powered investigation into the events surrounding the September 11 attacks on our nation.

We believe a new investigation is our only path forward to the answers and accountability every American deserves and our only path back to the moral high ground upon which our great nation was built.

We unite with NYC CAN and the citizens of the City of New York in support of an unbiased nonpolitical rendering of evidence and fact wherever they may lead and ask every American and every concerned citizen of the world, in defense of our nation and in defense of freedom, to join with us today.'

Now - aside from the question of how this 'independent' and 'impartial' investigation should be staffed - I don't see any explicit endorsement of 9/11 troof bullshit in this statement. After all, asking someone 'Do you think there should be a new investigation into the 11th September 2001 attacks' will probably get you a positive response. Asking them if they believed that al-Qaeda was innocent, that the WTC towers were destroyed by controlled demolitions, that the hijackers were fake, that the planes were flown by remote control, that the passengers of UA93 were 'insiders' etc etc is likely to get a troofer a kick in the balls (assuming that they actually have a pair).

 
At 08 May, 2010 16:46, Blogger Triterope said...

According to you anyone who questions laws or their enforcement hates America?

You are clueless.

 
At 08 May, 2010 20:06, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"I get it. Anyone whos part of a peace march or wants to stop stupid wars is " tap dancing graves"."

No, it's tap dancing on her sons grave, you illiterate chimp.

Learn how to read.

 
At 09 May, 2010 10:34, Blogger Triterope said...

I don't see any explicit endorsement of 9/11 troof bullshit in this statement.

I disagree. NYCCAN is very much troof bullshit, and if these people signed the petition the default assumption is that they endorse its aims.

People are responsible for what they put their names to. Just ask Van Jones.

 
At 10 May, 2010 12:15, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

PornBoy,the "Git",DopeyTrite and Sackdoily! The 1927 Yankees got nothin' on the heart of the order of the Debunker Cult! Just ask Van Jones.

 
At 10 May, 2010 16:30, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" Arhoolie said...
PornBoy,the "Git",DopeyTrite and Sackdoily! The 1927 Yankees got nothin' on the heart of the order of the Debunker Cult! Just ask Van Jones."

Huh?

Can anyone make any sense of this vomitus?

 
At 11 May, 2010 02:40, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Huh?

Can anyone make any sense of this vomitus?'

Best explained here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co5RHqs4pZw&feature=related

 
At 11 May, 2010 17:00, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Sackdoily,you are so played out it's becoming a mockery of a sham of a travesty.Get over yourself,DogBoy! Weren't you ordered to stay away from drinks establishments years ago?

 
At 12 May, 2010 11:23, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The ArseHooligan scribbles, "...Sackdoily,you are so played out it's becoming a mockery of a sham of a travesty.Get over yourself,DogBoy! Weren't you ordered to stay away from drinks establishments years ago?"

No, wrong!

Once again, ArseHooligan, you have it 180 degrees out of phase.

In fact, you were ordered to stay away from thinking establishments.

Just a reminder, ArseHooligan.

%^)

 

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