Saturday, July 29, 2006

More Nuttiness from Fetzer--Guest Post

Update: Kudos to Rob Hinkley, who did this and contacted me with permission to use his name.

This came to me via email yesterday and I didn't get permission to use the person's name, so I'm just putting it here as an anonymous post. As the writer says, this is a hilarious show from Uncle Fetzer, particularly the part about underground camps with "full-size" guillotines. James may have posted on this one already, but it's wacky enough to highlight again. Here's the post:

I don't know if you listened to Fetzer interviewing Bill Deagle on July 6th on Fetzer's RBN Live programme. Fetzer describes as "fascinating" the notion that the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was attacked with nuclear weapons. Not "stupid", or "simple-minded" or "naive" (or any of the other descriptions he uses for the idea that plane crashes and fires can cause serious structural damage), but "fascinating". Later it veers into stuff about Bush building guillotine-equipped concentration camps, causing Hurricane Katrina, and setting off earthquakes. Extracts below:

After a bit of paranoia about 10-lane NAFTA super-highways slicing the country into dastardly 'economic zones', we get the following take on the Oklahoma City bombing:
1st hour, 11:40 onward
DEAGLE: "[my patient] in fact was one of the 5 exposed to radiation from exploded micronukes in the Oklahoma City Murrah building that were..."
FETZER: "Micronukes in the Murrah building?"
DEAGLE: "Right."
FETZER: "Fascinating. Fascinating"

The Oklahoma City bombing was done with... Miniature. Nuclear. Bombs. Fetzer challenges none of this.

1st hour, 14:00 onward
FETZER: "That [Murrah] building was so solid, it was such a massive edifice, it was inconceivable to me that the alleged cause, this fertiliser bomb, ammonium fertiliser bomb could possibly have done that kind of destruction ..."

So when a building which 'allegedly' had an airliner flown into it and suffered resulting fires collapses it is obvious to Fetzer that explosives must have been used. After all, impact and fire couldn't *possibly* - to Fetzer's philosophy professor eyes - have caused that much damage.
But when a building is 'allegedly' blown up with 5000lb of explosives it is obvious to Fetzer that much more powerful explosives must have been used. After all, mere explosives couldn't *possibly* - to Fetzer's philosophy professor eyes - have caused that much damage.

1st hour, 16:30 onward -- the concentration camps!
FETZER: "They're building these detention camps all over the country [...] I just think there's going to be a huge group of us marched off to these detention facilities when they perform the next phoney attack on the US, suspend the constition and turn the American military against the American people."
DEAGLE: [describes giant detention camps which can hold a million people each, including some in Canada with special rail connections, and some of the camps underground such as under 'DIA' (Denver International Airport)]
FETZER: "What in god's name is their plan... I've heard different speculations I've heard reports that they're equipped with full-sized guillotines suggesting that they're going to lop a lot of our heads off. I've also heard the idea of creating huge slave labour camps, so it's even cheaper for American corporations to produce their goods."

Yes, professor, I've heard the same things too. And thought they were speculative lunatic nonsense. Fetzer challenges none of this.

2nd hour, 12:00 -- yelling match!
Deagle, who keeps asking Fetzer not to interrupt, is ranting about environmentalists. Fetzer starts yelling that Deagle's being grossly unfair to Al Gore and tells him that when he's on his on his own show he can tell guests to shut up but not when he's on Fetzer's show - oh no not on the Fetzer Show.

That's not strictly relevant, but I thought it was funny.

2nd hour, 17:55 -- The chemtrails, HAARP, weather modification, man-made earthquakes!
FETZER: "What's going on with this chemtrail business? What's the purpose of it, what's it accomplishing?"
DEAGLE: "Well its primary purpose is threefold. Number 1 it's to turn the air into a plasma so they can have geo-tectonic effects using scalar satellite-based technologies to trigger what's called the 'peizo-electic slip threshold' with specific harmonic frequencies of any [earthquake?] so they can trigger off an earthquake as a weapon anywhere on Earth, like the Bam earthquake in Bam, Iran that occured a little over a year ago. They can also set up what's called a trans-dimensional vortex..."
FETZER: "Just to translate this for some of our listeners because you're using a lot of very technical scientific language - what you're saying, Bill, let me translate it, is they can affect the weather, that they're doing things that will make the atmosphere more useful as a medium for using HAARP technology to bring about events like earthquakes, hurricanes, the whole bit."
DEAGLE: "Right. And they actually created what's called a trans-dimensional vortex that pulled in the storm cells that formed Katrina over New Orleans, that was done on purpose. Number 3, they're using it so..."
FETZER: "You're saying that Katrina was allowed to grow and become a force-5 hurricane and hit New Orleans on purpose."
DEAGLE: "On purpose."
FETZER: "Just elaborate on why."
DEAGLE: "Because first they had to destroy the oil production facilities down there they had to create a wetland which is part of the hijacking again, the use of the environmentalist movement. They had to allow only certain areas to be rebuilt which is what's happening we see [Donald Trump??]"
FETZER: "Just tell me a bit more about why, why did want to destroy the oil production facilities off the coast of Louisiana?"
DEAGLE: "It's the Goldfinger Effect, which is why we're in Iraq not to steal their oil but so nobody else..."
FETZER: "To make the cost of oil go up and up and up up because the supply has gone down and down and down."

Just to condense that a little... the chemtrails turn the air into a plasma so satellite-based scalar technologies can trigger earthquakes and a trans-dimensional vortex makes a hurricane so the oil barons can create a wetland... and Fetzer challenges none of this. Now of course I'm not a Distinguised Professor Of Philosophy from Duluth - I'm just some guy who writes software in England - but obvious crap in the above scenario includes, but is not limited to:
"The chemtrails",
"turn the air into a plasma",
"satellite-based scalar technologies",
"can trigger earthquakes",
"a trans-dimensional vortex" and
"makes a hurricane"

As Fetzer would say: Fascinating! Fascinating!

(Pat speaking again: Great post!)

Update: Deagle (at 50:35 of Hour 1): My contacts have told me that our Navy will not survive a war with Iran.


At 28 July, 2006 14:29, Blogger CHF said...

Everybody please watch this video:

It's a CT loon spouting every discredited CT out there.

Notice how he quickly changes the topic when the rebuttal comes.

It's just like our resident CTers here.

At 28 July, 2006 14:34, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Pat, you forgot my favorite in the list on the bottom.

"peizo-electic slip threshold"

At 28 July, 2006 14:36, Blogger CHF said...

And the only problem BG has with this Fetzer loon is his tone.

Just when I think these people can't possibly show us more stupidity they manage to hit rock bottom and then break through to a previously unknown bottom.

At 28 July, 2006 15:10, Blogger Jujigatami said...

See CHF, I have to disagree with you. I don't think they can get any lower than saying that there were no planes, or that the government was behind 9/11, or the buildings were taken down by controlled demolition.

Its all the lowest possible.

The controlling the weather stuff is just amusing in comparison. I mean, on the bright side, if its true, then we have nothing to worry about WRT global warming. The government can control the weather. Once a democrat is elected, he'll just make it cooler. Of course with loony's like this on the left, it may be a long time before a Dem is elected.

Then again you can never over-underestimate the CTs.

And man, I watched that video you linked to. Talk about Bukakked with stupid.

At 29 July, 2006 15:57, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Oh god I love it. We should encourage him. The more Uncle Fester, I mean, Fetzer, even allows this to go on, the more it adds mountains to his discredit.

At 29 July, 2006 17:06, Blogger BoggleHead said...

Alex Jones on C-Span right now 8 Eastern

At 29 July, 2006 17:59, Blogger shawn said...

Alex Jones on C-Span right now 8 Eastern

This Webster Tarpley guy is INSANE.

And he just mispronounced Tonkin. And now he's saying the World Cup is being used to get Europe with us.

I'm getting a migraine. "Invisible't think of terrorism..."

Oh man now it's Fetzer! He's talking about a "ragtag group" with box cutters, and he then said the passengers would beat them to death. And the audience laughed. Man, I'm sick.

He just parrotted the names not on the manifest list myth, still alive myth (more chuckles from the audience), complains FBI doesn't revise their list (weird, as those people are actually dead), complains about Atta's luggage (odd, now evidence isn't evidence), said they couldn't have flown the planes and says they couldn't have gotten the plane off the ground, says cell phone calls were impossible at the speed and altitude the planes were at (cites the debunked 'study'), mocks "alleged passenger" Mark Bingham (Alex Jones pipes in "you believe me don't you?", audience and board members laugh), talks about the cockpit voice recorder picking up the voices of the passengers, brings up "Allah (sic) ackbar" being odd and that the 'script writers' didn't know they wouldn't have said that, and brings up our buddy Zach (and continually mispronounces his name) saying that he was under a different terrorist plan.

His list of ten proofs of the hijackers being fake is hilariously illogical.

He's now saying that they had seventy warnings of 9/11. The audience applauds (yuck).

At 29 July, 2006 18:06, Blogger shawn said...

Wasn't Bob Bowman the agnostic one? He's now talking about how he "turned them around" about the conspiracy theories. Hmm "turn them around"...that's not like conversion is it? It's sounds an awful lot like it.

Now Jones is saying 90 percent of Americans think there's a coverup, and that everyone calling into every show (even the "adversarial" ones) agree with him.

Tarpley's back and saying that London was false-flag, and that the Toronto terrorist suspects were "patsies".

Now he's attacking the Left media (Air America and such) for being a barrier to them and parroting the "racist, warmongering" official story.

At 29 July, 2006 18:09, Blogger shawn said...

Stephen Jones, now! Woo hoo!

Jones is relating an anecdote between he and his car mechanic about the Pentagon tapes. His car mechanic said "I couldn't see any planes!" (audience laughter). He's going on about the confiscated gas station and hotel tapes (I guess several dozen witnesses and physical evidence aren't good enough). "Spreading the word." "Getting people aware." Babbling about the Constitution, and checks and balances. Audience applause.

At 29 July, 2006 18:12, Blogger shawn said...

"If you have basic rudimentary skills in investigation you know the official story is a fraud." - Alex Jones

Fetzer is now nuts on rhetoric. Audience is loving it, cheering and applauding.

The good professor is calling us all idiots.

Wow, this guy is ridiculous. He is literally insane. He's shaking and going on about the dangerous dust.

At 29 July, 2006 18:15, Blogger shawn said...

Stephen Jones is talking about the molten metal pools (ommitting that this is from a second-hand account and that aluminum can melt). Going on about "plumes" and "pools of metal" proving explosives. Says planting the explosives wouldn't need a large group ("Nineteen who were actually 'in the know.'" Audience and Alex Jones chuckles.)

Alex Jones cuts in saying Stephen has calculations about the amount of explosives needed.

One thousand pounds of explosives. HALF A TON OF EXPLOSIVES TO TAKE DOWN A TOWER.

At 29 July, 2006 18:17, Blogger shawn said...

Alex Jones saying WTC7 was supposedly a "work of art" (citing unnamed controlled demolitions folks). Too bad it damaged adjacent buildings.

Stephen Jones says WTC7 took 6.7 seconds to collapse (anyone who watches the video can tell it's longer than that).

Alex Jones parrots the "no steel buildings had ever collapsed before" meme.

At 29 July, 2006 18:18, Blogger shawn said...

Alex Jones goes on about how the official story revises its take on how WTC7 collapsed, completely ignoring that's how real investigations and how real science works.

At 29 July, 2006 18:26, Blogger shawn said...

Bowman now says the official "conspiracy theory" is the most ridiculous one.

Tarpley is talking about how the shadow government (using their "code-words") is blackmailing Bush with nuclear weapons to force him to use conventional warfare to attack al-Qaeda and Iraq.

Fetzer is bitching and moaning about his appearance on Hannity and Colmes and how they questioned him about what he taught his students. Oh he's back to the rhetoric about taking back America from tyrants (way too many nodding heads in the audience, and far too much applause for this nut).

At 29 July, 2006 18:27, Blogger shawn said...

They're going to have Dylan on, but I really can't watch them take questions or my head will explode.

At 29 July, 2006 18:37, Blogger shawn said...

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At 29 July, 2006 18:39, Blogger shawn said...

Well I switched back because I'm a glutton for pain.

Dylan and Bermas (he's the one I thought looked retarded) have been introduced and the audience cheered at the mention of "Loose Change 2".

Bermas is saying "we" should all be at Ground Zero at 9/11 to "inform" the policeman, firemen, and family members by giving them free copies of Loose Change Final Edition.

Wow I want to beat the everliving [crap] out of Avery. He's so full of himself.

"I started this as a kid who knew absolutely nothing." - Dylan Avery

Well, you didn't get too far.

At 29 July, 2006 19:01, Blogger Pat said...

Yeah, Avery and Bermas as usual come off as jerks. Jones seems to be the only one capable of controlling his emotions. Fetzer got absolutely loony on the "Constitutional Convention" question.

Did you all notice the key thing about Jones' presentation? He doesn't even pretend to have any chain of custody on the metal he claims came from the WTC. Some gal scooped it up with some dirt at a memorial? Sheesh, these guys are easy!

At 29 July, 2006 19:22, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

you want to laugh...picture this...

10 years from now, Jones, Uncle Fetzer, Jimmy Walter, and The Wutang LC Clan all in straight jackets, running around the yard of some asylum like chickens with their heads cut off, babbling on about the New World Order...complete with Fetzer frothing at the mouth, and Jones head explodes.

At 29 July, 2006 20:52, Blogger default.xbe said...

and Jones head explodes.


At 29 July, 2006 21:01, Blogger James B. said...

He doesn't even pretend to have any chain of custody on the metal he claims came from the WTC. Some gal scooped it up with some dirt at a memorial?

In the tradition of Joe Wilson and the forgered Niger uranium documents, just get some old steel beams, mix in some thermite, send it to him, and then expose it as a fake later. That would "prove" that there was no thermite at the WTC.

At 29 July, 2006 21:21, Blogger debunking911 said...

You know, after watching Fetzer on C-span I lean toward him being one of the only ones who are doing this because he believe it.

At 29 July, 2006 21:26, Blogger James B. said...

Oh Fetzer definitely believes this, with a religious fervor. I thought he was going to lose it a couple of times.

At 29 July, 2006 21:35, Blogger James B. said...

And another thing abour Fetzer. What is with the freaking sideburns? Does he think that looks cool?

At 29 July, 2006 21:51, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

I know it seems really silly to ask this question, but how do allegedly "normal" human beings come up with such utter insane crap? Katrina was manipulated? Guillotines in slave labor camps?

What medications are these nutters on? Because whatever it is, the FDA should look into banning it.

I shake my head at these loons. Am I the only one?

At 29 July, 2006 21:54, Blogger James B. said...

Not just guillotines, but guillotines imported from China...

At 30 July, 2006 04:59, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...


I think sites like this do a great job by exposing ALL the beliefs of these morons. When they are "on campaign" they like to focus on one conspiracy and people just think that's what their concerned with. In reality, these people have a whole Grab-Bag of Idiocy to peddle.

At 30 July, 2006 05:58, Blogger shawn said...

Not just guillotines, but guillotines imported from China...

psh doesn't everyone know France makes the best?

At 30 July, 2006 07:02, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

The Chinese thing is probably related to the "Patriot" CT/JBS canard about "Chinese UN troops" invading America. I once attended a political meeting with a dude that used to talk about these plans; and he also used to claim that "Soviet military airplanes" have been spotted over America. I wanted to tell him that a Nazi Ju-52 troop transport has also been spotted several times over America- in these events called "airshows". Ironically a Russian Antonov was used to transport the Junkers plane to America from Europe.

Anyway, this Chinese things always has lots of fun tidbits such as my favorite: There are barcodes on roadsigns to direct their troops. Apparently that's because the Chinese army does not use these things called "maps", and the traitors in the US government who are supposed to open the door to this invasion won't provide them with maps of America.



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