Sunday, July 30, 2006

Where Do They Come Up With This Stuff?

There are some things that the conspiracy theorists argue, the technical details of the World Trade Center collapses for example, that are open to much interpretation. You may not agree with their conclusions, in fact you may find them idiotic, but they are welcome to their opinion. And then there are other theories, in which upon futher examination you can figure out what their logical fallacies are. A good example of this is in claiming the hijackers are not on the passenger manifests, which they derive by looking at a list of "victims" of the attacks and incorrectly claiming they are manifests.

But then there are some things they claim, that just smack you on the side of the head, and you have to ask. Where the hell do they come up with this? From the recent CSPAN broadcast of the LA conference, Alex Jones argues:

We know, this is in Newsweek magazine, that Bush had the full launch orders to invade Afghanistan on his desk. The troops had already massed in the months before 44,000 US troops, 18,000 British troops in Tajikistan Uzbekistan. Two carrier groups all lined up, bombers lined up, everything ready.

There were not 62,000 western troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan and I seriously doubt Newsweek ever claimed there were. While it is impossible to prove a negative, this is so absurd as to be laughable. Can Mr. Jones come up with a single soldier who can back up this story? 44,000 troops is roughly equivilant to 3 combat divisions. Which 3 divisions were there? There are only 11 total, why didn't anyone notice several of them missing?

If Jones had done the slightest research, he would know that we didn't get the rights to use the largest base in the region Karshi-Khanabad in Uzbekistan, until nearly a month afterwards. And even then it was for only a few thousand troops. Sixty thousands plus troops in remote landlocked Central Asia, would have required a Herculean logistical effort to support. In case he forgot, Bush was being criticized for the slow pace of the invasion for a couple of months, largely because of this difficulty. When Korey Rowe bragged about being in the initial invasion of Afghanistan, it was not until clear into January, when his brigade, only 3-4 thousand troops were brought in, not from Uzbekistan, but directly from Ft. Campbell. What then happened to the 44,000 troops?

Amazing. One just wonders if they have any grasp of reality at all.

Update: I decided to do a little conspiracy theory forensics and try and find the origin of this myth. A web search brings up a bunch of conspiracy websites, Alex Jones' site unsurprisingly being the first, but none actually list a source. So I did a Lexis-Nexis search of all Newsweek articles for the last 5 years, and equally unsurprisingly, none mentioned this.

I think I did find the origin of the 44,000 troops thing though. But it in no way says what he claims it does. From the October 22, 2001 edition of Newsweek:

If bin Laden is spotted, small units of highly trained Special Forces can be inserted nearby. Among America's 44,000-odd Special Operations soldiers--among them, Green Berets, Army Rangers, Air Force helicopter and gunship crews--there are some truly fearsome units, like the supersecret Delta Force and the Navy SEALs' Special War-fare Development Group. The British SAS commandos have a proven record at stealthy combat, and the best unit for fighting in the Afghan mountains in winter may be a specially trained British Marine unit called Commando Three. Though the Pentagon is being appropriately tight-lipped about the movements of these shadow warriors, sources say teams are already stationed at remote bases along the Afghan border in Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, as well as aboard the carrier Kitty Hawk, which has finally arrived in the Arabian Sea.


I am guessing they didn't do so hot on the reading comprehension portion of the SAT.

20 Comments:

At 30 July, 2006 19:50, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Ya, but you see...

Alex and his camera man heard rumors of a secret place in the middle of Central Asia, where all the troops go to hang out and worship the Demon God Molach. So Jones et al went to the far depth of Tajikistan Uzbekistan, where they found....The Stupidian Grove....

Never before seen footage of 40,000 troops sacrificing paper mache effigees to their mountain owl.

oh, I can't go on...it is too funny...

 
At 30 July, 2006 20:17, Blogger Rowe_Korey said...

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At 30 July, 2006 20:19, Blogger Rowe_Korey said...

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At 30 July, 2006 20:20, Blogger Rowe_Korey said...

Rowe without DYLAN!

http://www.thedailystar.com
/news/stories/2002
/07/23/afghan.html

 
At 30 July, 2006 20:46, Blogger CHF said...

They can't read AND they have no ability to think rationally.

Yeah, 62,000 troops were poised to invade and then Bush only sent in a few dozen special forces who teamed up with the Northern Alliance and the USAF to rout the Taliban out of the north in a few weeks.

Weird how no one but Jones knows of these 62,000. Not even the troops themselves apparently.

 
At 30 July, 2006 21:28, Blogger apathoid said...

Weird how no one but Jones knows of these 62,000. Not even the troops themselves apparently.

Two words: Flashy thing

 
At 30 July, 2006 23:59, Blogger Billythekid said...

Did anyone see this? The first 9/11 Deniers sing-a-long?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2124251799530760088&q=American+Scholars+Symposium.

 
At 31 July, 2006 00:26, Blogger default.xbe said...

i seriously need a decontamination shower next to my computer for when i see videos like that

 
At 31 July, 2006 02:27, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

Jones must have been at Bohemian Grove again when he should have been doing research and prep for this appearence.

BoogaBooga!

 
At 31 July, 2006 04:03, Blogger telescopemerc said...

This is silly. Various 911 researchers have demonstrated by use of the highly technical battle simulator 'Risk', that moving divisions of troops to that area is very easy. It only take a few turns, which translates into a few moments (the simulator is unclear on timing, so we assume it is in real time like the other battle simulator, Command and Conquer).

Moving troops from America to Asia means all you need to do is take all the counters you had in Alaska and move them across the black line. Surely we've improved on the black lines since this 'Risk' simulation was developed. So it should be even easier. A few turns later and your armies are in position next to Afganistan. No trouble at all. Total time: = 7 minutes, and that was because the other player went into the kitchen for more Cheetos during his turn.

 
At 31 July, 2006 04:09, Blogger Pepik said...

The worst part about Jones is that he is probably making more money out of 9.11 conspiracies than anybody.

 
At 31 July, 2006 04:13, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Jones is a rich man because of it, without question. I wonder how much of his money goes to the victims of 911, as a percentage? or D.A.'s Profits for that matter?

 
At 31 July, 2006 05:50, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Jones' is retarded beyond words. In Imperial Hubris Michael Scheuer detailed how America had virtually no plans for invading Afghanistan which is why the US forced didn't arrive until something like 7 weeks after 9-11.

Bush was trying to use multiple war factories to construct a "tank rush" but Bin Laden was like, "hey man!! NO RUSH!!1" Then Bush was like "WTF?!"

Bin Laden: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Bush: OMG ZERG RUSH!!!

Bin Laden: ^_^ KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEEKE

 
At 31 July, 2006 12:09, Blogger Rob said...

"18,000 British troops in Tajikistan..."

Let's say the Royal Navy didn't deploy in numbers to landlocked Central Asia. The total combined strength of the British army and air force is about 186,000.

18,000 is 10% of the forces' entire strength: I think we might have noticed them being sent away. I have not performed an exhaustive search of news outlets and parliamentary records, but I certainly don't remember hearing anything in summer 2001 along the lines of "The prime minister has announced the deployment of yet another infantry regiment to Tajikistan, as part of Operation No Obvious Reason."

To give an idea of how many people that is: 18,000 is over twice as many as we currently have in Iraq, a deployment which has always attracted considerable attention.

 
At 31 July, 2006 13:19, Blogger default.xbe said...

Moving troops from America to Asia means all you need to do is take all the counters you had in Alaska and move them across the black line. Surely we've improved on the black lines since this 'Risk' simulation was developed. So it should be even easier. A few turns later and your armies are in position next to Afganistan. No trouble at all. Total time: = 7 minutes, and that was because the other player went into the kitchen for more Cheetos during his turn.

not only that, but more advanced versions of the simulator show that every troop west of the mississippi river (save for 1 lone soldier) can be moved into hawaii then into japan in a mere 2 stages

 
At 31 July, 2006 18:24, Blogger shawn said...

Bush: OMG ZERG RUSH!!!

Bin Laden: ^_^ KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEEKE


You win the internets for that reference.

 
At 01 August, 2006 10:51, Blogger Dog Town said...

Was checking the direct TV guide to check on another airing of the "C-Span Debacle", since I see it was gonna air again. My guide does not show it.So I called The Big C to check.The guy I spoke with assured me it would be on at 3:10 pacific time.He then seemed nervous telling me it might be late like it was on sunday. I was like why so skittish.He goes on to tell me how on the re-air sunday, they were swamped with angry callers about it not being on on time. It appers they really only preached to the CHOIR.All the callers were of the CT crowd.Too bad ,I wan't everyone to see the friutcakes.

 
At 02 August, 2006 05:50, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Thanks Shawn:

INTERNET!!!1= SERIOUS BUSINESS!

 
At 02 August, 2006 14:02, Blogger shawn said...

The internet is serious business!

 
At 15 February, 2010 17:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well you sure didn't research to hard

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm

it doesnt matter how many stupid things some partially/poorly informed "9/11 truthers" say, it doesnt change the fact that the official story is B.S pure and simple. The official story is contradicted by the LAWS OF PHYSICS. I wont say i know 100% what happened but the official story is a fairy tale for children and if there is nothing to hide then why aren't we as citizens of an allegedly free and open society allowed to ask questions w/o being accused of hating america or being unpatriotic. If you truly love america it is your duty to be informed and ask questions.

 

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