Saturday, July 29, 2006

These People Watch Way Too Many Movies

We have discussed several times how the conspiracy theorists often confuse fantasy and reality. Loose Change after all, by Dylan Avery's own admissions started out as a fiction movie. By all indications it ended up that way too. This guy, Richard Andrew Grove, however, sets some new standards regarding this. He is catching on in the conspiracy community as a "whistle blower", ranting on with a bunch of incoherent theories about banks, corporations and databases. If you have a few hours to kill, check out this article on his website, where he appears to be playing "A Beautiful Mind: The Home Game". I must confess, personally I wasn't able to get through the whole thing.

In any case, this is him in a discussion at the Chicago 9/11 Conference, from the 13 minute mark:

Grove: If you have ever seen Goodfellas, there is a guy who comes up to Paul and says ”I want you to come in with me on this restaurant”, and Paul says “Why me, I don’t know anything about restaurants?” They take it over, they max out all its credit, they burn it down, they collect the insurance.

You can learn everything you need to know about 9/11 by watching Hollywood movies. Die Hard With a Vengeance, watch Money Train, you guys ever see Money Train? Where they steal the money and use the trains underground to take off. There is a ton of different movies. There is a ton of allusion to 9/11 in Hollywood films before 9/11.

Unknown Speaker: Three Days of the Condor

Grove: Three Days of the Condor, the Patriot. Mel Gibson weighs a rocking chair, it weighs 9 pounds 11 ounces. I ask you, has anyone ever seen a rocking chair that weighs 9 pounds? It must have been like this big. But Mel Gibson is hanging it, and weighing the rocking chair at the beginning of the Patriot, and if you turn on the closed captions it says “9 pounds 11 ounces perfect”.

Look at Independence Day when the clock is ticking down and it will blow up different stuff, nine eleven. Eleven oh one seconds. If you look at Long Kiss Goodnight with Geena Davis. We have plenty of allusion there to people being unemployed from the Cold War, attacking America, it is basically the same premise. Look at the Lone Gunmen. It is H. W. Bush and his posse, then you have the Long Gunmen film which came out before 9/11.
Hmm, so Mel Gibson is behind it?













He then manages to connect this all with the JFK assassination, and then rambles on for another 20 minutes. I guess his tinfoil hat isn't working.

17 Comments:

At 29 July, 2006 19:02, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like, hey man, is non-fiction the one where you like make stuff up, or is that fiction? I mean I get confused.


Flamable - inflamable which one?

Boxcutters hahahahaha

 
At 29 July, 2006 19:15, Blogger shawn said...

"Inflammable means flammable?! What a country!"

 
At 29 July, 2006 19:17, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

They ned to keep him. Another person joins their group that will only help sink them...

"All you need to know about 9/11 you can get from the movies..."

I love it. Keebler elves, The towers are trees, with billiard balls falling out of them, and everything else...just watch HBO.

 
At 29 July, 2006 19:23, Blogger shawn said...

The one thing I can say in defense of these people is that yes, life is fairly boring. It's why I write fiction. Unfortunately for them they don't realize the difference between the two.

 
At 29 July, 2006 20:02, Blogger Pat said...

I'm enjoying this--he's a thorough nutter. He gets caught in a lie at about 7:10. He's built up this story about how he and some friends where he worked were going to confront this one manager on 9-11 and in fact that they were on the phone with him when the plane hit the building. Of course, one of the listeners says, "Then why weren't you there?" "Oh, I hadn't arrived yet."

 
At 29 July, 2006 20:45, Blogger Pat said...

Wow, did you catch his bit of religious historical revisionism? The Catholic Church killed Christ? At about 23:50 into the clip.

 
At 29 July, 2006 20:59, Blogger James B. said...

I think I stopped paying attention that far into it. I will have to watch it again.

 
At 29 July, 2006 21:10, Blogger shawn said...

The Church killed Christ? That's probably the dumbest things I've ever heard from these people (and that's sayin' a whole helluva lot). Well, unless there's a Papal time machine we're not aware of.

 
At 29 July, 2006 21:18, Blogger Pat said...

He goes on into numerology as well. What a fruitcake!

 
At 29 July, 2006 21:44, Blogger Dog Town said...

All the films cited in this are great fantasy!! Patriot, and the 911 rocking chair. Better, the reference to Independence Day and Armegeddon! This is like a BG and KKK Clown convention!! Oh wait , that's what it is !!!!! LOL LOL !!!

Bet the losers are gonna be undeground for a while. Until the parents let them out of the basement !!!!!

 
At 30 July, 2006 06:40, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Like I said, I hope they keep this guys, and recruit more like him. It is fine now, while they wallow amongst themselves, having their little conferences, they are safe even with their nutters.

But when they make the big push to get noticed by the mainstream, and they bring guys out like this kook, it will just make it easier to tear them to shreads. Its the same reason why they should distance themselves from the LC boys, but they don't.

 
At 30 July, 2006 07:07, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I think this demonstrates the link between Hollywood, the propagation of conspiracy theories and fantasy, as well as the decline in critical thinking. It also further demonstrates, from a historical dialectical materialistic appraisal- that Dylan Avery is a complete F%^*tard.

What's that Bermas fellow up to now? It seems to me he was the biggest nut of the three.

 
At 30 July, 2006 07:24, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like hey man, I'm goin' to Hollywood after my makeover, but Jason?

Man, this is as good as it's ever gonna get for him.

Korey, like hey, what can I say, I mean we just used you for your uniform like even if you were just an enlisted man. Didn't you see that? Everybody else did - hahahaha. See ya bud, there's no place on the DYLAN TRAIN for you!

 
At 30 July, 2006 08:36, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Bermas is a moron who thinks he's an intellectual because he is the "research" guy for the LC posse. Meanwhile, he spues the dumbest of theories, acts like a coward. In my opinion, once again,I hope they keep him, as it will make it easier to tear them to shreads when they make their push into the mainstream.

 
At 30 July, 2006 08:39, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I mean can you see a well prepared Chris Matthews (Hardball) or Joe Scarbrough (MSNBC also) interviewing these guys.

Even better, how about Tom Brokaw...lol, now that would be funny. Seeing Brokaw Rip Bermas head off and Sh%tting down his neck.

 
At 30 July, 2006 09:00, Blogger Pat said...

Was that Bermas clowning around in the background of the shot? Maybe we should start calling him "red light"--he seems to like being in front of the camera.

 
At 30 July, 2006 11:42, Blogger default.xbe said...

Well, unless there's a Papal time machine we're not aware of.

just like Grover Cleveland's Presidential Time Machine


...wait...that was a TV show...

 

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