Couple Good Smackdowns of the Conspiracy Theorists
First up is Rick Harrison, who wonders how we can plan for the future when we don't understand the past. He comes up with the best explanation I've heard as to why the film was named Loose Change:
You need merely type "9/11 conspiracy" into an Internet search engine to become swept into this seductive web of nonsense. The creators of films like "Loose Change" (perfectly titled because it doesn't add up to much) and Web sites like www.911Truth.org pick through the details of one of this nation's darkest days with the paranoid verve of mad patriots, convinced they are uncovering the truth behind their worst fears.
He also recognizes the hopelessness of arguing with the true believers:
I'm not about to get into a shouting match with 9/11 conspiracy theorists on the supposed merits of their arguments. Based on how they respond to criticism and reason, talking sense to people like these serves as much purpose as licking a bald man's head to solve algebraic equations.
Dennis Byrne writes in the Chicago Tribune:
Such theories require extensive fabrications to back them up, such as the assertion that the towers collapsed at free-fall speed (false), and that one floor falling on top of another couldn't possibly "pancake" the buildings (actually it was scores of floors collapsing on each floor).
The conspiracy nimrods, of course, won't be there alone. Mainstream media nimrods also will attend in great numbers. TV anchors will solemnly speak of "disturbing new questions" about Sept. 11 and break to interviews with charla-tans, incompetents, nut cases and the gullible, all united as fools.
Dennis Byrne also has a blog, where the nutbars are filling up his comments section.
Hat Tip: WildCat at the JREF Forums.
posted by Pat @ 9:59 AM
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Such theories require extensive fabrications to back them up
Yep! Like all the "Atta" fabrications fed to us by the US government.
Couple Good Smackdowns of the Conspiracy Theorists
Translation: The spin control machine is in overdrive!
A chill wind blew tumbleweeds across the plain. Somewhere in the distance, a dog barked.
"Please explain how thermite can be made to burn on hundreds of beams sideways at the same time."
Who are you to deny the power of da JOOOZ?
C'mon dude, if you've got the truth on your side then this should be easy.
Please explain why Atta would leave his car at Logan airport with incriminating evidence only to fly there later? Come on, truth is on YOUR side, should be easy.
Please explain how thermite can be made to burn on hundreds of beams sideways at the same time.
US Patent 6,766,744
directional thermite cutter charge
it produces circular holes, not lateral cuts
Filed: January 14, 2003
ill let that stand for itself
Hey, this is what's out in the public domain; don't you think military grade stuff is much more advanced? Come on... The origins of this device date back to ’79. Get a grip.
Who are you to deny the power of da JOOOZ?
I know, right?!?!?! With all those Kosher Al Qaeda running around, how could anyone doubt their power?
Nessie:
You remind me of one of those toy dolls with the pull string in the back. Each time you come here, we know you'll say something, but when we pull the string we have no idea what your gonna say.
This time it is "Atta"
Next time who knows, CD, OBL, I guess we'll have to "pull" the string and find out.
Hey, this is what's out in the public domain; don't you think military grade stuff is much more advanced?
Nessie. The patent you linked to is FOR the military...
Assignee: The United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Army (Washington, DC)
Please explain why Atta would leave his car at Logan airport with incriminating evidence only to fly there later?
Hmm I dunno, I don't think he'd really care about evidence since he was planning on being incinerated when he piloted in a plane into a building.
Conspiracy theory logic: evidence isn't evidence!
Conspiracy theory logic: evidence isn't evidence!
...Unless it supports your wacko beliefs.
Even "cutter charges" in the military are made of C4. Thermite's just not a very common substance, whereas we've got tons of C4 kicking around. If I want to cut the barrel on a tank turret (we've done it to disable tanks which were abandoned or turned in to us), I'll use two C-rings of C4, and NOT thermite. I've never seen anyone in the military use thermite.
guys...I wouldn't worry...the way things seem to be going in the CTer arena, i think Thermite's days are numbered...As are S Jones days amongst them.
I never understood the Loosers' attraction to thermite -- I guess it's just because the guy who brought it up isn't a jobless slacker. Anyone ever seen thermite at work? The WTC would have looked like a billion bottle rockets igniting at once if that was used to make the cuts. It also argues against the molten whatever it was found later, as it expends so quickly that heat would not propagate very far within the targeted beams -- indeed, that's one of the reasons it is attractive for the uses it has.
he'd really care about evidence since he was planning on being incinerated
Uh.. Says who?
You link to something that doesn't do what you claim the WTC thermite did.
Lest there be any doubt that you have no fucking clue as to what you're talking about....
Directional thermite charges are a reality, that's all I was trying to show and that's exactly what I did. It's not my fault even when presented with conclusive proof, you still want to believe in the baloney that is the19 hijackers. I can lead you to the water...
he just doesnt read his own links, like the one about bin laden being dead that said theres no evidence bin laden is dead
And there's really no evidence he's alive as of 8/29/2006 so what's your point?
I never understood the Loosers' attraction to thermite
Because there is no way in hell jet fuel burned hot enough to melt steel and keep it that way for weeks. NIST didn't even try to answer that "oddity" and thermite charges in the basements is the ONLY answer to that question.
Because there is no way in hell jet fuel burned hot enough to melt steel and keep it that way for weeks. NIST didn't even try to answer that "oddity" and thermite charges in the basements is the ONLY answer to that question.
NIST was concerned with what brought the towers down, not what happened to the wreckage.
And you are completely, 100% wrong (well, OK, I personally think you're lying, not wrong, but we'll leave that aside for now). Thermite would not be helpful at all in sustaining fires for a lengthy period of time. It expends its energy very very quickly. That's the whole point of thermite. Whatever caused the fires in the first place -- jet fuel, thermite, natural gas lines, the Angry Finger of God, whatever -- it would have to then ignite something which burns more slowly to sustain the heat over time. You get that? Thermite doesn't smolder. It can't smolder. It flashes, and then it's gone. Additionally, thermite produces lots of sparks but relatively little flame; it is a poor candidate for igniting a long-term fire fueled by other sources.
Because there is no way in hell jet fuel burned hot enough to melt steel and keep it that way for weeks.
Yeah jet fuel doesn't...but let's ignore all the things it set on fire, shall we?
Uh.. Says who?
What do you mean "says who"? Atta piloted a plane into the WTC. You're acting like him keeping behind evidence would be weird. You don't tend to have a fear about being caught when you're dead.
If you're a crazed nutbar about to blow himself up for the cause, you're going to want people to know it was you.
Atta leaving behind piles of evidence is consistent with the non-insane version.
You're acting like him keeping behind evidence would be weird. You don't tend to have a fear about being caught when you're dead.
Yeah right! Looks like "someone" wanted all that stuff found just like that passport that got ejected from the trade towers. Set-up.
Looks like "someone" wanted all that stuff found just like that passport that got ejected from the trade towers.
Damn, you're dumb.
nazinc:
OK so you immediately jump on the topic since you have no life, getting the first two posts in. The first is an attempt to change the subject, the second is a pointlessly general dimissal of debunking. Then you dodge a question and try to derail the topic again.
Finally, you get around to answering a questions. You provide evidence that sideways thermate charges exist by providing a link that describes a charge which doesnt't go sideways. Then you say the military stuff would be better, but your link was already to military thermate. After a few more irrelevant posts you pretend we all have amnesia and tell us your downward thermate link proved that sideways thermate exists.
Finally, you tell us that only thermate could make metal stay melted for weeks, but of course we've been over that before and you can't explain how exactly thermate would do that.
Its obvious that the only reason you come here is to get some attention. Nobody believes you, nobody finds you convincing, and you don't make even the slightest effort to put forward a solid, defendable argument. Most of the claims you make are absolute garbage which you abandon mere moments after you have said them. What's the point? Do you really have such a hard time finding ways to spend your time? Life is short you know.
NIST was concerned with what brought the towers down, not what happened to the wreckage.
(snip) Thermite would not be helpful at all in sustaining fires for a lengthy period of time...
Oooh, I am so smart. You'd almost think I was a NWO shill, being all timely like that.
These people should instead be crying for someone to actually write a coherent argument which isn't filled with so much garbage namecalling, straw man arguments, and general dismissal of the opponent.
Never seen a straw man argument against the Truthers thus far.
Dismissal is fine. If you believe the government committed 9/11 you are either an idiot, ignorant, or desparate to cling to something to show how evil Bush, the government, and/or America is.
Here is why they could not intercept.
Wrong.
It is interesting that so many CTers suggest molten metal weeks later suggests the use of thermite/thermate. Of course they won't explain how this is true. There are a lot of reasons this is wrong, but I was just thinking of one more - since thermite/thermate can be used to weld things together, wouldn't the fact that it keeps things molten for weeks be a bit unhelpful?
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