Friday, April 02, 2010

First Responders' Health Risks Dubious, Says NY Post Column

I've said in the past that I take no sides in this particular debate. I sincerely hope that the first responders to 9-11 are not getting sick and dying at an elevated rate, but I'm willing to let the experts determine that. Here's a column that claims the science behind the issue is a bunch of bunkum.

He points to some of the issues that have been raised in the past:

Ironically, her bill is named after Det. James Zadroga, whose name made headlines when the New Jersey medical examiner was persuaded to link his death to 9/11, a first. But later review by New York City's medical examiner found that his death was associated with the misuse of painkilling drugs, not 9/11 dust.


And does this sound familiar?

In defense of her bill, Maloney points to "dozens of peer-reviewed scientific studies" showing injuries from "toxins at Ground Zero." But the studies she cites are generally published in journals that exist to create such claims, but lack credibility in the broad scientific arena.


Further details from Jeff Stier here.

To be clear: Some studies on Maloney's list are quite legitimate -- but they cover issues like post-traumatic stress disorder, not Trade Center dust.

Yet other publications on the list don't even pretend to about science -- they merely chronicle the fact that, as one piece puts it, "a broad and sophisticated grassroots environmental movement has arisen in Lower Manhattan to push for environmental cleanup and for access to health care for impacted populations and communities. This movement unites community, labor and environmental groups and continues to organize five years after 9/11."

That's political science, not health science.

44 Comments:

At 02 April, 2010 13:21, Blogger Paul said...

Well....

One thing I will say is I find it absolutely disgusting when clowns like Luke Rudkowski hitch their wagons to 9/11 first responders to push their stupidity.

I hate how the WAC-jobs phrase questions like, "Do you support the call for a new investigation by 9/11 first responders who are sick and dying?" instead of, "Do you support the discredited bullshit that I.. a punk kid have been spewing for years?"

 
At 02 April, 2010 14:53, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"That's political science, not health science."

AKA bunkum.

 
At 02 April, 2010 15:20, Blogger Triterope said...

It's Gulf War Syndrome all over again.

 
At 02 April, 2010 17:21, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Twoofers don't give a rat's ass about first responders, especially since they accuse them of being part of the so-called "inside job." First responders have always been a Trojan horse for them their spread their dishonest and stupid conspiracy theories.

 
At 02 April, 2010 19:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have not taken a stand on this question either , partly because the troofer ghouls disgust me . However , if it can be shown by legitimate science that the first responders are being made sick , they deserve every penny they can get .

 
At 02 April, 2010 19:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scratch a "debunker"...

 
At 02 April, 2010 19:57, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat Curley = miserable malevolent mouthpiece for a treacherous gang of criminals who call themselves "government".

And there was I, naively thinking Pat couldn't sink any lower. Oh and hey, scumbag, you're fooling no-one with your feigned "impartiality". Say hi to the other rats in the sewer.

 
At 02 April, 2010 22:53, Anonymous Fucktard Patrol said...

"Pat Curley = miserable malevolent mouthpiece for a treacherous gang of criminals who call themselves "government".

And there was I, naively thinking Pat couldn't sink any lower. Oh and hey, scumbag, you're fooling no-one with your feigned "impartiality". Say hi to the other rats in the sewer."

Fidel called Fucktard. When you're done sucking Hugo's tiny dick run over to Iran - Ahmadinejad needs a rim job pronto.

 
At 02 April, 2010 23:10, Blogger James B. said...

Like Robert Bowman who claims he has cancer from exposure to Agent Orange 40 years ago.

Nevermind that he was an interceptor pilot, not like he was humping a ruck through the bush for the 101st Airborne.

 
At 02 April, 2010 23:57, Anonymous Sage said...

So what do you think James? Is the NYP correct? This is a little outside of 9/11 troof in my book, but nevertheless...

 
At 03 April, 2010 03:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adam Syed quits the truth movement

 
At 03 April, 2010 06:46, Anonymous Bikerman said...

Adam Syed quits the truth movement

Yes, on April 1.

 
At 03 April, 2010 08:16, Blogger Triterope said...

Like Robert Bowman who claims he has cancer from exposure to Agent Orange 40 years ago. Nevermind that he was an interceptor pilot

Exactly. Every hangnail and cold these people have for the rest of their lives is going to be blamed on World Trade Center dust.

Which will make it difficult for researchers to nail down what the condition really is and what factors present on 9-11 caused it.

 
At 03 April, 2010 09:02, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Even if Det. Zadroga was dissolving and shooting painkillers intravenously - do you know why he would do it? Well, he had constant pain from his various ailments that were in fact a result of his having worked on the pile at the Ground Zero.

The rest of this diatribe is about as devoid of logic and meaning. Given the authorship that is hardly surprising.

 
At 03 April, 2010 09:46, Anonymous Roman Craig said...

Bikerman said...
"Adam Syed quits the truth movement

Yes, on April 1"

It's good to see these guys can make each other laugh one day out of the year.

I feel so greedy sometimes since they make they rest of us laugh the whole fucking year!!!

 
At 03 April, 2010 11:45, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

It seems that there are a few new people here.

I just want to tell you to avoid giving personal information to Boris Epstein. He's a psychotic stalker, and eventually he will harass you. Look at his picture - obviously deranged.

 
At 03 April, 2010 23:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we give other people's personal information to Boris though?

 
At 04 April, 2010 00:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous wrote, "...Can we give other people's personal information to Boris though?"

Go for it! In fact, I recently updated my blogger profile.

I'm shakin' in my cowboy boots.

%^)

 
At 05 April, 2010 15:37, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

Who's a dimmer bulb than the moronic Captain Queeg?

 
At 05 April, 2010 16:22, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

The erudite self promoting GitFiddler has one little tic that gives him away.He thinks the great John Coltrane's name is spelled C-O-L-T-R-A-I-N.If you're going to drop names,Tiger,catch the right train!!

 
At 05 April, 2010 16:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Arsehoolie wrote, "...The erudite self promoting GitFiddler has one little tic that gives him away.He thinks the great John Coltrane's name is spelled C-O-L-T-R-A-I-N.If you're going to drop names,Tiger,catch the right train!!"

Thank you. I stand corrected.

You ought to hear my version of Coltrane's "Impressions", I think you may enjoy it. Love that 'bop.

 
At 05 April, 2010 16:44, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Arsehoolie, I noticed that you haven't responded to the bitch slapping I gave to you here.

Any comments?

 
At 07 April, 2010 10:29, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

Hey FiddlingGit,only a cracked pot with a hefty trust fund would refer to a video of Trane playing "Impressions" as "my version of Coltrane's "Impressions".How many years in a row did you win the "Twit of the Year" contest?

 
At 07 April, 2010 11:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Another demonstration of the breadth and depth of your dishonesty, Arsehoolie?

Why would I post a link to a Coltrane video on YouTube and claim that it's my performance?

Are you really that dense--you retard scatmuncher?

I merely included the link to Coltrane's Impressions so others could listen to the original if they've never heard the tune.

Does the obvious always evade you, Arsehoolie, or do you always make a special effort to attack every comment with your customary litany of straw man fallacies?

 
At 07 April, 2010 11:36, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

This from the wired up frat boy who thought Coltrane was spelled T-R-A-I-N! Always thinking of others,that's our self promoting twit! Nice try,jackoff.Ever heard of Theloneliest Monk? He's really a hip cat.Like you! GitBill does Coltrane,and before he learned how to spell his name! Don't miss that one!

 
At 08 April, 2010 15:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Arsehoolie the charlatan scribbles, "...Ever heard of Theloneliest Monk? He's really a hip cat.Like you! GitBill does Coltrane,and before he learned how to spell his name! Don't miss that one!"

Oh, so now you're an expert in the theory behind Jazz?

LOL!

"Impressions" is a modal tune with a simple harmonic structure: 16 bars of Dmin7, 8 bars of Ebmin7, and back to 8 bars of Dmin7. Thus, the soloist employs D dorian mode over the Dmin7 chord progression and Eb dorian over the Ebmin7 chord progression.

Now, I have two questions for you, Mister "Music Theory": [1] What is the arrangement of whole steps and half steps that make up the Mixolydian mode?

[2] What major key does F dorian represent?

 
At 08 April, 2010 15:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Arsehoolie the arrogant know-nothing scribbles, "...Ever heard of Theloneliest Monk [SIC]? He's really a hip cat.Like you!"

"...Theloneliest Monk"?!?!?!?

His name was spelled Thelonious Monk (born October 10, 1917 – died February 17, 1982), you moron.

He was an America pianist and composer, who is considered the father of bebop--you ignorant putz.

 
At 08 April, 2010 16:57, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

Concerning the ludicrous Sir Didactic from Cally,what can you say about a guy riding off the rails in B-flat? It sounds as bad as it looks! Apparently BilltheGit is an F-sharp Major in the insane Debunker Cult! I guess he just felt like going all music theory on us and hung his porkpie hat on an imaginary statement by myself.Sheesh! Of all the bloviating garbage posted on this site,this one's a chart topper! "Mr.Music Theory"!!! Ouch,you really nipped me there,"Train"! Monk?!?!! What's especially cute there Dogboy,is that only two comments before you were claiming that I was the one who couldn't read the obvious!! How on Earth do your lovely daughters and wife tolerate your incessant blowhard lecturing? My guess is that they tuned you out years ago and you're stuck at the computer searching for more hapless saps to tune into your obnoxious and arrogant tripe.Congrats,you've hit paydirt here at the circle jerk.It's obvious that this is what you are all about.GuitarShrill,your crackmobile has hit the divider and it's time for an overhaul.It was funny watching you destroy your credibility,you jackoff.P.S. For 50 points:My cousin Clark Terry Mahony is named after which great horn player.Eat shit,Dad!!

 
At 08 April, 2010 17:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Answer the question, Arsehoolie the cyber charlatan:

[1] What is the arrangement of whole steps and half steps that make up the Mixolydian mode?

[2] What major key does F dorian represent?

And you still managed to misspell Monk's last name.

What was that you were saying about "credibility" sweetheart?

"...What a moroon." -- Bugs Bunny.

 
At 08 April, 2010 17:33, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Correction...

"...And you still managed to misspell Monk's first name."

 
At 09 April, 2010 09:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

What's the problem, Arsehoolie? You can't answer my questions?

Of course you can't, nut-bar.

Did you learn anything today, putz?

Let me make it simple for you asshole: Don't EVER question my knowledge of music--you bastard--because I've forgotten more about music than you'll ever know.

Got it, scumbag?

 
At 09 April, 2010 11:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So here are the answers to my questions:

[1] What is the arrangement of whole steps and half steps that make up the Mixolydian mode?

W-W-H-W-W-H-W

Where

W = Whole step

H = Half step.

[2] What major key does F dorian represent?

Eb major.

 
At 09 April, 2010 13:06, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

That guy in the corner of the fern bar talking to the flowerpots is GuitarShrill,and somebody needs to calm him down.Jeepers Dad,I knew you were silly,but this has reached scary levels.Try jerking off lefty tonight,DogBoy.You'll feel like Hendrix!! Fact is,schmuck,you're crapping out on every thread at this point.Time for a trip to Yosemite.You need a break,Tiger!

 
At 09 April, 2010 13:11, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

Apparently you've forgotten about the great Clark Terry.That's OK,we know you're a genius and all! I,d bet that your music knowledge is controversial at your own dinner table.

 
At 09 April, 2010 13:44, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Still lickin' your wound's, asshole?

I just taught you how to play "Impressions", or are you still working on that fact?

I also proved that you don't know fuck-all about music or music theory.

Would you care to impress us again with the breadth and depth of your infinite ignorance, Arsehoolie?

 
At 10 April, 2010 11:51, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

So which is it Daddy-O? Music or music theory? Which one? What is your major malfunction,numbnuts? Your ass has been kicked and now you've ridden off the rails.Coincidence? Now roll up a fatty and back to the drawing board,you feckless boob!

 
At 10 April, 2010 16:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Your ass has been kicked and now you've ridden off the rails."

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, shit-for-brains.

So what was that about "Theloneliest Monk"?

Idiot.

 
At 11 April, 2010 08:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 11 April, 2010 08:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 11 April, 2010 08:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Areshoolie the cyber moron scribbles, "...What is your major malfunction,numbnuts?"

My "malfunction"? That's hilarious, Arsehoolie.

Perhaps a little introspection on your part is in order, Arsehoolie.

For example, if you and the remainder of the "9/11 truth movement" are so God damned intelligent, why do you continue to doubt your government, the media, and above all, your fellow citizens?

Did it ever occur to you that 60 years of multi-trillion dollar defense spending was a boondoggle; that the FBI couldn't find their collective ass with a hunting dog and a compass; that our CIA, DIA, etc are incompetent; and that perhaps the skyscrapers that litter the skylines of our major metropolitan areas are of substandard design, and therefore, are not 100% safe?

Or are those possibilities too frightening for you to entertain?

Think about it--that is, assuming that you're capable of such an undertaking.

 
At 12 April, 2010 15:13, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

"If you are so intelligent why do you continue to doubt your government,the media and above all,your fellow citizens".Congratulations,GitFiddler,you've scratched out a new low for the Debunker Cult.That's about the whiniest,weirdest and dimmest post ever etched into the lore and lunacy of the insane and phony Debunker Cult.We knew you had it in you jackoff!!!

 
At 12 April, 2010 19:19, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's right, Arsehoolie, just skip right over the substance of my argument, which explains why YOU WILL NEVER TOUCH the fourth paragraph of my reply.

So, I see that you still have sand in your vagina, tough guy.

Let me guess, your "manhood" is ALMOST as small as your "brain"?

Do you still eat paint chips and sniff glue, Arsehoolie?

 
At 14 April, 2010 12:07, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cult Stomper said...

Except the FBI did know what was up,sent the red flags to the approprate higher ups and....ah,well,why waste it on a dim bulb apologist like yourself? In your addled court jester world people like Monica Rowley are whack jobs and Richard Perle is an honest public servant.

 
At 14 April, 2010 21:23, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Monica Rowley is a whack job.

And I stand by my statement: The FBI is incompetent.

 

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