Wednesday, December 20, 2006

Der Spiegel on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Der Spiegel, which previously has addressed these topics before, in an article completely ignored by the conspiracy theorists including how the reports of hijackers being alive were cases of mistaken identities, now takes on the conspiracy theorists again. It is too long to excerpt meaningfully, but well worth a read.


At 20 December, 2006 11:39, Blogger muckers said...

Why, despite being hit second, did the South Tower collapse first?

They address the weight issue, in terms of difference in weight of floors above impact point, but really the more fundamental issue was the weight distribution.

The North Tower was hit straight on, but the South Tower got hit at a kind of angle taking out the east side. Weight distribution which far more uneven and put immense strain on those severely damaged outer columns.

At 20 December, 2006 11:54, Blogger CHF said...

Why, despite being hit second, did the South Tower collapse first

I wonder what the twoofer answer to this question is.

What? - did the bad guys blow up the wrong tower first by mistake???

"Dammit Roy - you were supposed to flip the switch on the left, not the right! Fetzer and Griffin are gonna be all over this!"

At 20 December, 2006 12:06, Blogger James B. said...

Legge actually addresses this in his paper (if you can call it that). He argues that they had to blow it up early, because the top was leaning and it would ruin everything if it just flopped over (no, I am not making that part up).

I addressed it previously here.

Legge never replied.

At 20 December, 2006 12:08, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeh it always amazes me, why people think that it is strange that the south tower collapsed first. Anybody with a few working braincells knows why it collapsed first.

At 20 December, 2006 12:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No wonder he never replied, u kicked his butt ;)

At 20 December, 2006 12:21, Blogger CHF said...

Jesus, even Jowenko (the twoofers star demolition expert) was able to figure this one out.

Plane struck lower in the building and at an angle closer to the corner.

More damage + more weight = first to collapse.

Anyone having trouble with this concept shouldn't be out in public unsupervised.

At 20 December, 2006 12:55, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...



Al Qaeda, which carried out the September 11, 2001 attacks on U.S. cities, has repeatedly vowed more strikes on the United States. Zawahri last threatened attacks in a videotape in June to avenge the killing of the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq.

Amazing. When even Reuters can admit this, how much more rope do the Troothers have?

At 20 December, 2006 13:21, Blogger S. King said...

This article will spawn another avalanche of entertaining 9/11 Denial. Maybe we should have a contest for most hilarious response from the 9/11 Denial Movement.

At 20 December, 2006 17:11, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

As much as I agree, that the plethora of info out there now allows most of the 9/11 BS to be debunked, for the nutjobs that believe it, it comes down to this...They believe all the "evidence" that supports the Official Story is falsified/fabricated. With this mindset, it doesnt matter how many articles come out like this one, it will not convince even one of the Insaniati that they are wrong...oh well.


At 20 December, 2006 18:24, Blogger S. King said...

Heh, Insaniati; I like that. It has a nice, appropriate ring to it. Sounds better, more forceful than "9/11 Denial Movement."

Nice one, TAM.

What say all to a new term: "9/11 Insaniati"?

At 20 December, 2006 22:51, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

"including how the reports of hijackers being alive were cases of mistaken identities..."

I have had a question about this for a long time. I posed it once on a nutty chatroom full of dimwitted Troothers, and all I got was "you are a stooge, so shut up" and other similar comments.

Let me pose the question here:

Let us assume, for a second only if we must, that, incredibly, five of the "hijackers" from 9/11 truly were found to be alive by the BBC, Der Spiegel, and any other foreign media source.

Where are the interviews with these men? Some questions posed to them, such as "how come your name was used in conjunction with this terrorist plot, but here you are?" and "if you were involved in this alleged plot, how did you escape?" Something along those lines.

Now, let's again assume that these men are somehow alive. Five years have gone by, and the Troothers continue to claim that these 5 men (how did 5 escape out of 19? What happened to the other 14?) are still out there, somewhere.

Imagine that you are one of these men. You cried "jihad!" and somehow you helped to attack the Great Satan, the US, and survived it! What do you do? Go to Disneyland? Of course not - you do a bin Laden video and go on al-Jazeera or some other Arab news source.

So, 9/11/06 passed, and not one of these five "survivors" showed up for any media interviews. Heck, no one has even found if they are still living where they were once found.

I dared those brainless twits who believed this (hilarious) part of the Troother conspiracy to show me where just one of these alleged five hijackers has done any media interviews - just one. None could. All they could do was call me a stooge for merely asking why they continue to base their silly theory on a complete lie.

Anyone with some comments on this?

At 21 December, 2006 10:10, Blogger Alex said...

That question has been asked many, many times, and the only answer they seem to be able to come up with is either:

"None of the news companies are interested"


"The media is controlled by Zionists"

Frankly, I can't make up my mind as to which answer is more idiotic. They're both utterly mind-boggling.

Anyway, an even better question is "If the US government is willing to kill 3,000 of it's own citizens, why would it hesitate to snuff the scapegoats?". They never seem to have an answer for that one.

At 21 December, 2006 10:15, Blogger Alex said...

Oh, that reminds me, look at the post about Barrett on the O'Reily show. Watch the YouTube clip. Then you can see O'Reilly asking your question on national TV, and an "expert" twoofer trying to tell him that none of the media companies are interested in interviewing the hijackers. He says "unfortunately, they print it once, and then just forget about it". Right.

At 21 December, 2006 12:20, Blogger CHF said...

Simon Lazarus,

the "hijackers are alive" story is retarded on so many levels.

The guv staged 9/11 and blamed it on 19 apparently random, still alive men?

None are talking?

Absurd. Twoofer never even make an effort to find these guys even thought it should be among the easiest things to prove.

Imagine showing a 9/11 hijacker alive and well. The whole OS would collapse. But twoofers don't make the slightest effort to follow up.

Why? Because the hijacker BS is merely one part of their tactic: throw shit at the wall to see what sticks.

That's why they NEVER look into their own claims and why they don't discard the proven BS.

They can only hope to convert people by winning them over with shere volume and not quality.

At 21 December, 2006 13:56, Blogger R.Lange said...

CHF wrote: "None are talking?"

Actually, they did, but it was more along the lines of, "Whoa, hey. That's not me, man," rather than, "I was told to keep quiet by the U.S. government." Heh.

At 21 December, 2006 14:57, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...


I am going to start using it regularly, but I think I will focus its meaning to the leaders of the movement, like Griffin, and Fetzer.

Feel free to borrow it, and blast it all over cyberspace, as I feel it has just enough of an infuriating quality to get on their nerves.



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