Wednesday, July 03, 2013

The Org Chart From Hell

Sometimes the Truthers make our points better than we can make them ourselves. In this case, we have always pointed out how ridiculously complex and unmanageable their 9/11 conspiracies are, as compared to real examples of conspiracies which tend to involve just a few people in a single organization, and even then they tend to blow up. Anyway, a Truther posts this graphic demonstration of the conspirators, in the comments on 911 Flogger  in reference to Kevin Ryan's new book Another Nineteen.


Oh yeah, all these guys are just supposed to somehow meet, agree to carry out murder and treason, and then cover it up afterwards. And this is just the middle management! What could possibly go wrong?

88 Comments:

At 04 July, 2013 09:40, Blogger petgoat said...

James, you make me soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo angry. See? That ugly breeder and swinging, pendulous manboob, Kevin Ryan, gets to post to 911Flogger and I can't because the moderators banned me for being a sex predator and a pathological liar with a bad haircut.

Wose still, my acute Ph.D envy drives me to haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate Kevin Ryan almost as much as I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate Kevin Barrett.

After all, growing up gay was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo difficult because other boys never wanted to "play house." I guess they don't like redecorating as much as I do.

Ian, what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

Jouse gurls ly and July and July and July and July and July and July, JULYERS!

 
At 04 July, 2013 11:00, Blogger Ian said...

Funny, isn't it, how blowing the lid on government activities seems to be a cottage industry these days, between Wikileaks, Manning, Snowden, etc.

And yet none of them have managed to blow the lid on the most intricate, diabolical conspiracy in American history. Strange, isn't it? Oh well, at least everyone's favorite unemployed janitor from Palo Alto is on the case.

 
At 04 July, 2013 17:51, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

They forgot Richard Gage. He's part of the conspiracy too. He's making money off the Gov. by collecting Income Tax.

 
At 05 July, 2013 09:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

James, you climb on the scale when you frame the issue as a bunch of people that "meet, agree to carry out murder and treason, and then cover it up afterwards."

It's cartoonish, worthy of "Diabolical Me", and your incredulity is simply a variation on the "It can't happen here," meme.

So imagine a country where it could happen. A bankrupt, energy-depleted Soviet Union in 2005, perhaps, subject to food riots and open calls for revolution.

Players in a 9/11-style op would be recruited amongst those who had already demonstrated their ideological purity and their personal loyalties.

The idea that the entire secret op would be revealed in some kind of meeting is absurd on two grounds. First of all, everybody who attended would need to be fully on board before they could be invited. What are you going to do--kill all those who refuse to sign on to the plan? Second of all, it would be insane to reveal to middle-management any of the details that are outside of their responsibilities. In an hypothetical 9/11-style op, as few people as possible would know what the nature of the attacks would be, what the targets would be, and what buildings were going to be demolished. Somebody with foreknowledge might let something slip--warn family members and friends to stay away, for instance.

Asking people to sign on to murder and treason would be absurd when they don't need to. Shyam Sunder, for instance. He needn't sign on to murder and treason. All he has to do is do his patriotic duty to combat a disturbing trend toward paranoid conspiracism in the USA--by refusing to give any respect to impossible tales of bombs in the WTC and by laboring mightily to rationalize the destruction of the buildings by fires.

Other bureaucrats need only do their duty to national security by keeping secrets secret or by covering up what they believe to be prosaic failures of competence.

The idea that there's a big meeting of a vast army of conspirators who are permitted to see each other's faces is a silly straw man argument.

Dr. Peter Dale Scott very wisely describes what he calls "a secret consensus", a "powerful pro-war consensus" within the Bush Administration that he likens to a similar consensus within the Johnson Administration with respect to the desirability of a war with Vietnam.

Another factor is that people drawn in to "gray area" ops can then be counted on to be silent afterward. Those who followed orders to provide protection to the alleged 9/11 hijackers would be unlikely to blow the whistle on actions to which they were complicit. Those who agreed to go along with letting a plot of conventional hijackings to go forward, to provide political points to the Bush administration, are unlikely to blow the whistle when the hijacking plot turns out to be much more than they thought.

 
At 05 July, 2013 09:30, Blogger Pat said...

James, they were able to meet easily. They were all members of the Mwahaha group on Facebook. What's that? Facebook wasn't around in 2001? That's what they want you to believe!

 
At 05 July, 2013 09:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 05 July, 2013 09:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

an, we don't know what Wikileaks may have got on 9/11, because Assange decided very early that they weren't going to do any 9/11 stuff. This was probably wise, because the 9/11 issues have been subject to extensive disinformation campaigns (just look at William Rodriguez, for instance) and Wikileaks could have easily been Dan Rathered by faked 9/11-related documents.

So even if Wikileaks got spectacular documents blowing the lid, they wouldn't reveal them.

Another thing is that in professional life, policy guidance is often transmitted in informal and undocumented ways--by winks and nods, code words and the connecting of plausibly-deniable dots. And seasoned professionals have been thoroughly enculturated such that no guidance is needed. Their adherence to the values and mores of the group can be relied upon.

 
At 05 July, 2013 10:13, Blogger James B. said...

" First of all, everybody who attended would need to be fully on board before they could be invited."

ROTFLMAO So how exactly would this work?

"Say, Fred, would you ever consider killing thousands of Americans and then covering it up in order to build a pipeline across Afghanistan?"

"What, are you out of your mind? That is insane. Why would you ask me such a stupid thing?"

"Oh,nevermind. Just making small talk. Forget I asked."

 
At 05 July, 2013 10:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Lying Brian Good squeals, "...This was probably wise, because the 9/11 issues have been subject to extensive disinformation campaigns...[blah][blah][blah]."

LOL! ROTFLMAO!

Says the most heinous disinformation campaigner (read pathological liar) on the Internet.

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At 05 July, 2013 10:59, Blogger Ian said...

Brian Good appears to think the world works like a James Bond movie. I guess that's to be expected from someone with no job who spends many a night high on glue at 3 am, watching James Bond marathons on Spike TV.

Thanks again, Brian, for demonstrating your hilarious mental illness so openly. It's good for a laugh.

 
At 05 July, 2013 11:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

James, it wouldn't work. That's the point. There's not going to be a meeting of 100 guys in a room all signing on to a plan of treason and murder.

Instead it's going to be a consensus among professionals who've known each other a long time--a consensus of goals, of loyalty, of ethics, and of confidentiality.

Start with the consensus that Central Asia is key to control of The Grand Chessboard, and the bipartisan consensus that in the absence of some catalyzing event, the American people lack the political will to seize control of Central Asia.
Anyone who doesn't see that is out of the loop.

People don't have to sign on to a full-scale false-flag op to be drawn into the mix. And don't forget Operation Northwoods as a precedent of how willing ALL the Joint Chiefs were willing to go--in peacetime.








 
At 05 July, 2013 11:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

No, Ian, as usual you're missing the point. The world does NOT work like a James Bond movie. James B's notion of a big meeting like Steve Jobs telling Macworld what's what is right out of a Pixar cartoon. It's a straw man.

That's NOT how it works. But to say that since there's no big meeting, therefore there's not a consensus, there's not a confluence of interest among those who stand to benefit from augmenting the power of the military-industrial-security-congressional-university complex--that's silly.

 
At 05 July, 2013 11:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

And don't forget "You're with us or you're against us" and "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories." Very intimidating statements.

 
At 05 July, 2013 11:31, Blogger James B. said...

"Start with the consensus that Central Asia is key to control of The Grand Chessboard, and the bipartisan consensus that in the absence of some catalyzing event, the American people lack the political will to seize control of Central Asia.
Anyone who doesn't see that is out of the loop. "

Uh, yeah, as someone who has certainly spent a lot more time in Central Asia than you have, I must be out of the loop.

So how exactly is this mythical control of Central Asia benefiting all of these conspirators to the point that they spontaneously decided that it was important enough to commit murder and treason?

 
At 05 July, 2013 11:48, Blogger Ian said...

James, it wouldn't work. That's the point. There's not going to be a meeting of 100 guys in a room all signing on to a plan of treason and murder.

Right, which is why the idea that 9/11 was an insider conspiracy is such nonsense.

That's NOT how it works. But to say that since there's no big meeting, therefore there's not a consensus, there's not a confluence of interest among those who stand to benefit from augmenting the power of the military-industrial-security-congressional-university complex--that's silly.

Yes, I'm sure there was an unspoken consensus between the CEO of Lockheed-Martin and the President of MIT, among many thousands of others. Obviously, the easiest way to get more funding is to murder thousands of people and blame it on Arabs. Everyone knows this.

And don't forget "You're with us or you're against us" and "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories." Very intimidating statements.

Yes, very intimidating, which is why there was absolutely no dissent against the Iraq War, and why Bush left his presidency the most popular president ever. If only more people were brave enough to see the truth just like you, Brian.

 
At 05 July, 2013 11:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

James, where did you get the idea of "spontaneously"? You'll give a better impression of objectivity if you omit the prejudicial adverbs and adjectives.

The issue is not experience in Central Asia. The issue is opinions about Central Asia policy--yours against 1) those of many members of the Bush cabinet as expressed in the PNAC document, and 2) that of Dr. Brzezinski.

 
At 05 July, 2013 12:09, Blogger James B. said...

LOL You are even stupider than I thought you were. A rather high bar to clear incidentally. Rebuilding America's Defenses barely even mentions Central Asia, much less mentioning it prominently enough to make it some center of the conspiracy. East Asia on the other hand has an entire section, so why aren't we at war with China?

And do you seriously think that someone whose last job was in the Carter Administration for God's sake, has that much influence on US foreign policy? I dunno, I am waiting to hear what Richard Allen has to say on the subject.

 
At 05 July, 2013 12:33, Blogger petgoat said...

LOL You are even stupider than I thought you were.

To paraphrase, Friedrich Nietzsche: Brian Good is considered profound. Why? Because we never fathom his depths. But Brian Good isn't even shallow.

MR, explosives planted inside the hollow core columns that bulged but did not breach the core columns would have brought little noise to the outside world. Explosions taking place when the collapse was already underway would not have been noticed.

There's nothing wrong with CD charges that don't cut the columns. Bulging them would be sufficient to weaken them.

I didn't say all the floors. I said several floors. Explosives could be planted in the elevator shafts on many floors easily. Hidden inside the hollow core columns it would be difficult to detect.

Hiding explosives inside the hollow box columns is not unfeasible. Most of the box columns were accessible from the elevator shafts.

So James B., what makes you think that I'm an insane liar?

Jouse gurls ly and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July, JULYERS!

 
At 05 July, 2013 12:54, Blogger petgoat said...

So I was at a football game loitering in the men's room practicing my "wide stance", when I saw a cute little fidgety black man standing in line for the urinal next to me. To my delight, the black guy whips out his huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge cock and then rushed up to pee when the user ahead of him finished. "Whew, I just made it!" the hunk of a black guy exclaims. Unabe to control myself, I shouted, "Well, if they are available in white, how much do you charge to make one?"

So James B., what makes you think I'm a racist and a sex predator?

Jouse gurls ly and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July, JULYERS!

 
At 05 July, 2013 13:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

James B, Dr. Brzezinski is hardly "unemployed". He is Brzezinski is currently a Professor of American Foreign Policy at Johns Hopkins University, and a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He's often interviewed on PBS, ABC, and MSNBC, and advised Obama on foreign policy in the 2008 campaign.

By 2000 there was no point in tipping their hand about Central Asia. Those who knew, knew. Those who did not could not be expected to regard it as a selling point.

Already by 1998 the CIA was pursuing military alliances with Uzbekistan and the Northern Alliance. The Clinton Administration was somewhat queasy about all this, but after the Cole bombing these alliances became more overt.

 
At 05 July, 2013 13:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, your claim that Bush was the most popular president ever is based on what data, exactly?

If that's true, why did Obama run on "Hope and Change?" He would have promised what he gave us: "Eight more years of Bush--you'll never know he left!"

 
At 05 July, 2013 14:20, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Funny, we don't seem to control much of anything in Central Asia. China doesn't need our help, look at the considerable inroads they've made in Africa. There is little reason not to believe they will have more influence in Afghanistan than we ever will.

 
At 05 July, 2013 14:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, the fact that we don't control Central Asia doesn't mean we didn't try.

We don't control Iraq either, or Vietnam.

 
At 05 July, 2013 16:37, Blogger James B. said...

As the one of us who has actually worked with the Uzbek military, although work might be a bit strong, mostly it seemed as if they just wanted to drink and pay chess, that is just silly. This is the difference between reading factoids on the internet, and real knowledge. Sending an ODA on a training mission and launching a couple of drones, is not "dominating Central Asia."

And don't think I didn't notice how you suddenly dropped that whole PNAC thing once I caught you lying about it.

 
At 05 July, 2013 16:45, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, your claim that Bush was the most popular president ever is based on what data, exactly?

If that's true, why did Obama run on "Hope and Change?" He would have promised what he gave us: "Eight more years of Bush--you'll never know he left!"


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At 05 July, 2013 16:47, Blogger Ian said...

This is the difference between reading factoids on the internet, and real knowledge.

C'mon James, what makes you think an unemployed janitor lacks real knowledge and just parrots internet factoids?

 
At 05 July, 2013 16:53, Blogger Mike Rosefierce said...

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At 05 July, 2013 18:37, Blogger petgoat said...

So I, assclown extraordinaire, Brian "meatball on a fork" Good, made maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajor progress in getting the Gospel out to the masses (those asses) for 9/11 Truth. Believe it or not, I stood in the middle of Market Street for almost 8 hours and was actually noticed by a little girl and her mother who, as luck may have it, happened to walk by at the time. The little girl asked her mother, "Mommy, why is the gay man wearing a thong and holding a sign that says, 'Deranged Liars for 9/11 Truth'?"

Today San Francisco; tomorrow the world.

So Ian, what makes you think that I'm a pathological liar?

Jouse gurls ly and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July, JULYERS!

 
At 05 July, 2013 21:46, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"We don't control Iraq either, or Vietnam."

Two different animals.

Iraq we actually had a handful of goals which we achieved. Not the way we would have like to, but Iraq was won about as ugly as it gets.

Vietnam had no goals or strategy which is why it went the way it did. Today Vietnam is a full trading partner with the US, and they have even flirted with allowing the US Navy to base ships there again.

I'm sorry but Afghanistan was not on anybody's radar prior to 1999, and even then nobody in Washington wanted to send troops there (hence the attacks of 9/11). In the months leading up to the attacks Rumsfeld was drawing up plans to cut the military,and that is inconsistent with a secret planned invasion. Even during the war the Pentagon had continued to draw down forces and close overseas bases.

Not something an expansionist empire does when expanding.

And finally I get to bring up Snowden because if 9/11 attacks were an inside job it would have fallen to men like him - independent contractors. 9/11 would have taken 3000 men to pull off at the successful level that it has been. Nobody has talked, nobody has leaked anything, no pictures, no documents, and no on the record testimony as we have seen with Snowden.

None of the men on that stupid flow chart have benefited from 9/11 in any way. Those who have made money would have made money anyway.

 
At 06 July, 2013 09:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Here we have more proof that Brian Good is a pathological liar.

The disgusting liar wrote--and I quote" "...The book you wrote with Piper and Bollyn was called "Debunking 9-11", published by First Amendment Books. https://sites.google.com/site/911stories/travelswithwillie"

Anyone who clicks on the link provided by SLC's resident compulsive liar will discover that THE LINK DOESN'T SUPPORT BRIAN GOOD'S ASSERTION.

Here's what the article really says, sans Brian Good's never-ending stream of LIES:

"...A book about Rodriguez to be published by First Amendment Books, a subsidiary of the neo-fascist American Free Press, never materialized...Rodriguez did allow an article of his to be published by FAB in 'Debunking 9-11.' His work appears beside that of four Holocaust deniers."

So the "book" Rodriguez allegedly "wrote with Piper and Bollyn" was never published. In fact, THERE'S NO PROOF THE "BOOK" EVER EXISTED. So a "book" that never existed morphs into "[t]he book you wrote with Piper and Bollyn was called 'Debunking 9-11'."

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZUS CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIST ON A POGO STICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thus, we have more proof that Brian Good is a pathological liar.

Brian Good lies just to keep in practice. And he has such contempt for the reader that he posts a link as "proof" when the link doesn't support his assertion. Is it any wonder that Brian "shit for brains" Good refuses to substantiate his argument with direct quotes and citations? Probably not, because as I've said on numerous occasions, LIES AND PROPAGANDA SIMPLY CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED.

Should we expect less than lies from a physical science-illiterate homosexual with the morals of a street walking whore? Probably not.

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At 07 July, 2013 11:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, the book appears on the publisher's website. They offer it for $20.

 
At 07 July, 2013 11:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, the book appears on the publisher's website. They offer it for $20. Rodriguez's name appears on the cover, along with that of Greg Szymanski and others. Interestingly, the names of Michael Collins Piper and Christopher Bollyn do not appear on the cover, but they are named in the writeup as contributors.

Rodriguez traveled to Veneazuela in association with Bollyn, and traveled to Malaysia in association with Michael Collins Piper.

Death statistics prove that Willie's hero story is a lie. There's a great deal of poetic justice in the fact that you guys aren't smart enough to see that he's a fraud.


 
At 07 July, 2013 12:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The lying liar lies, "...UtterFail, the book appears on the publisher's website. They offer it for $20"

Well, I guess you "proved" that Willie is almost as stupid as you are. Any more lies about PNAC for us, Cornhole The Magnificent?

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At 07 July, 2013 14:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie's book appears on the publisher's website. Don't you know how to google, fool?

Death statistics prove that Willie's hero story is a lie.

The PNAC opinion was that it was the obligation of the USA to seize the strategic advantage and dominate the globe. Keeping the Central Asian oil reserves away from the Russians and the Chinese was obviously part of this agenda, as well as the mineral resources of Afghanistan.

Refusing of Taliban's offer
to turn over Osama bin Laden in the spring of 2001
would also appear to be part of that policy.

A meeting with Taliban in the summer of 2001 in which the Taliban representatives were told that if they did not agree to the pipeline project there would be war that year is an obvious expression of that policy. The formation of military alliances with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan was also part of that policy.

Refusing Taliban's offer to turn over Osama bin Laden in the fall of 2001 would also appear to be part of that policy. Allowing 4000 al Qaeda and Taliban warriors to fly out of Kunduz in the fall of 2001 would also appear to be part of that policy. Allowing Osama bin Laden and 1600 al Qaeda warriors to walk into Pakistan in the winter of 2001 also appear to be part of that policy.

Continued US occupation of Afghanistan is also part of that policy.

 
At 07 July, 2013 16:06, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The lying liar lies, "...Death statistics prove that Willie's hero story is a lie."

Yeah, the idiot who doesn't understand ΔT, third grade-level math or the proper application of something as simple as the Ideal Gas Law is now a "statistician." And we know the brand of "statistics" you peddle. One huge induction fallacy after another.

Idiot whines, "...The PNAC opinion was that it was the obligation of the USA to seize the strategic advantage and dominate the globe. Keeping the Central Asian oil reserves away from the Russians and the Chinese was obviously part of this agenda, as well as the mineral resources of Afghanistan."

False. We've read the PNAC document and your "interpretation," not unlike your "statistics," is bullshit.

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At 07 July, 2013 17:27, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I understand ΔT just fine, I understand Boyle's Law and Charles's Law just fine, and one needn't be a statistician to cite simple death statistics that show Willie's tale to be a lie. Do you believe Willie's claim that "this key saved hundreds of lives"? Could
you possibly be so stupid?

Do you deny that the PNAC document calls for global domination? What other interpretation is there of a document that notes that we are the only superpower in the world and advocates an enormous military buildup and projection of military power worldwide to take advantage of that situation?

Sheesh!




 
At 07 July, 2013 19:22, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Brian has PNAC envy.

 
At 07 July, 2013 19:36, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

PNAC is not consistent with the actions of the US since 2001. We have cut the size of the military and we continue to do so now.

Very hard to "control" anything doing that.

Then there has been the rise of Chinese influence on the global stage at our encouragement. Why would we push our chief rival into Africa and South America if we are so hot to control those places?

Where on PNAC does it state a goal of painting ourselves into a corner? Where does it advise pushing China into a global super power faster?

None of that has anything to do with Al Qaeda's attack on 9/11.

 
At 07 July, 2013 20:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

Where do you get your information that we have cut the size of our military? You tend to invent your facts. The military budget continues to grow.

Where do you get the idea that we push China into Africa and South America? You have a lot of very funny ideas.

How can you say PNAC's wish to dominate the globe has nothing to do with al Qaeda's attacks? PNAC wanted a New Pearl Harbor to justfy the military buildup, and al Qaeda gave them just what they wanted.



 
At 07 July, 2013 23:06, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The lying liar lies, "...I understand ΔT just fine, I understand Boyle's Law and Charles's Law just fine...[blah][blah][blah]."

No you don't. I proved months ago that you don't have a clue about physical science, and you've run away screaming, stonewalling and crying like the homosexual charlatan you are from every challenge to demonstrate your bullshit "scientific reputation." You're an idiot.

"...Do you deny that the PNAC document calls for global domination?"

Do you deny that you're a compulsive liar, sex predator and a one-balled abortion?

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At 08 July, 2013 07:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 08 July, 2013 07:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFool, you proved nothing except your capacity for self-deception. I understand ΔT just fine, I understand Boyle's Law and Charles's Law just fine, and one needn't be a statistician to cite simple death statistics that show Willie's tale to be a lie. Do you believe Willie's claim that "this key saved hundreds of lives"? Could you possibly be so stupid?

 
At 08 July, 2013 08:57, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

Utterfail, what makes you think that I'm a lying coward who ran screaming and crying from Willie Rodriguez's challenge to debate?

Willie doesn't have the guts to debate me--not here, not in person, not anywhere on the internet, and not on Carol's program. That's because he knows better than anyone that he's a liar and a fraud...I offered a debate taking place on Carol's radio program. The reason for this is that Willie lies, and he hides behind Carol's skirts, and he would surely raise untrue ad hominem attacks on me with no regard for the potential damage to Carol. So she needs to have edit power over the debate.

So Utterfail, what makes you think that I'm a liar?

Jouse gurls ly and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July, JULYERS!

 
At 08 July, 2013 09:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

I didn't run from anything. I tried to find a neutral venue. Willie would not.

I was just debating Willie in the earlier ("Money")thread and the discussion was just getting started when an administrator (not the moderator) shut the discussion down.

I was trying to establish the number of floors for which Willie opened doors, and an estimate of the number of people on those floors. This seemed to make Willie quite nervous--as it should, because the death statistics show that his story is impossible.

But even without counting populations, it's obvious that his claim that he went up the stairs "opening doors and letting people out" is a lie. The people were not locked in! They were not trapped behind locked fire exit doors waiting for an Angel from God to come and set them free.

The man is a fraud, a common con artist who steals his glory from the dead heroes and got away with his nonsense for far too long.

 
At 08 July, 2013 09:32, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

UtterFool, what makes you think that William Rodriguez is the object of my homosexual obsessions?

Where's Willie? Where's Old Jigglecheeks? Wizzie LiedRugAs? La Porcina Mentirosa?

Where's Old Jigglecheeks Willie Rodriguez, anyway? He ran away squealing and crying after I showed that his hero story was a lie. He hasn't been back since. I hope Elvis is okay!

And where's Willie Jigglecheeks, anyway? He ran away moaning and crying after I demonstrated that his claims that he saved hundreds were impossible, and I showed that he stole his hero story from Pablo Ortiz.

Posting the same spam again and again doesn't change the fact that I proved that Willie JiggleCheeks's hero story is a lie, that I showed that Condi lied under oath, and that you just go pouf pouf pouf pouf all day long.

UtterFool, what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

Jouse gurls ly and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July and July, JULYERS!

 
At 08 July, 2013 10:12, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 08 July, 2013 11:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

He ran away squealing and crying because I proved that his hero story was a lie.

Here I am. Here he is not. All he has is grandiose proposals to have a multi-media debate-a-palooza, for me to fly to NYC to meet the family members, to fly a movie crew out to San Francisco along with a panel of his grateful rescuees.

He's been talking crap like that since 2007.

In 2007 I asked Willie a very simple question: How do you know there was a 22-story collapse from 65 to 43? Nobody else reported any such thing. And he freaked out. He threatened to cancel his appearance in a 600-seat theater.

The question was threatening to him because it was the keystone to his story--without this claim, his whole story falls apart.

Let's start at the end and work backwards.

Why did he survive when others did not? Because he left the building and they did not.

Why did he leave the building? He went to look for an ambulance for Ed Beyea.

Why was the man with the lifesaving Key of Hope sent to look for an ambulance?
Because he'd already done his bit, opening all the doors up to 39.

What about the people above 39? Why didn't the firemen take his Key of Hope away from him when they sent him dowstairs? All the people from 39 to 65 were dead, 'cause of the 22-story collapse. There was nothing more he could do except carry Ed Beyea downstairs and go get him an ambulance.

So how many people died because 65 to 43 collapsed before Willie could get there with his lifesaving Key of Hope so he could open their doors and let them out? Hundreds? A thousand?

Nope. Willie's hero story undergoes global progressive collapse.














 
At 08 July, 2013 12:55, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Willie Rodriguez was to talk about Brian on Skype.

 
At 08 July, 2013 13:19, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The lying liar lies, "...Let's start at the end and work backwards."

Don't bother because no one believes a word that emanates from your semen-encrusted keyboard -- and no one is fooled by your your idiotic argument, which is based on No True Scotsman fallacy.

Greg Szymanski, Michael Collins Piper, Christopher Bollyn, William Rodriguez and you are ALL troofers -- your bogus hairsplitting and bald-faced lying notwithstanding.

Your argument is bullshit and it doesn't merit a reply.

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At 08 July, 2013 13:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

I didn't say anything about who was and wasn't a truther, ButtGoo. I said Rodriguez had written a book with Greg Szymanski, Michael Collins Piper, and Christopher Bollyn.

I said Rodriguez was a fraud, a liar, and a con artist.

You haven't answered yet. Do you or do you not believe Willie's hero story?


 
At 08 July, 2013 14:17, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"How can you say PNAC's wish to dominate the globe has nothing to do with al Qaeda's attacks? PNAC wanted a New Pearl Harbor to justfy the military buildup, and al Qaeda gave them just what they wanted."

...and there it is, lady's and gentlemen. Bwian Goode has just uttered the cornerstone line of bullshit ever spoken by a 9/11 nutjob.

Bwian just revealed that he cannot read.

PNAC's Pearl Harbor reference comes in the section talking about US Naval dependency on the Aircraft Carrier, and how Pearl harbor exposed the obsolescence of the Battleship, it would be unfortunate for a similar event to reveal the weakness of of carrier battle group strategy.

Bwian, is a stupid toady dolt.

Way to step on your dick, gandpa.

 
At 08 July, 2013 14:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The lying liar lies, "...I didn't say anything about who was and wasn't a truther, ButtGoo. I said Rodriguez had written a book with Greg Szymanski, Michael Collins Piper, and Christopher Bollyn."

Yes, you did, liar. You tried to imply that Willie's association with Greg Szymanski, Michael Collins Piper, and Christopher Bollyn is bad and that YOU are somhow above such associations. Here's what you wrote, liar:

"...Rodriguez traveled to Veneazuela [SIC] in association with Bollyn, and traveled to Malaysia in association with Michael Collins Piper." -- snug.bug, lying his unwashed ass off.

You're no better than Willie. After all, YOU ARE TROOFER, thus YOU are associated with Rodriguez, Bollyn, Collins Piper and Szymanski. And that';s why your argument is a logical fallacy called No True Scotsman fallacy You continue to resort to this naked logical fallacy again and again BECAUSE YOU'RE AN IDIOT WHO'S INCAPABLE OF LEARNING.



The idiot squeals, "...I said Rodriguez was a fraud, a liar, and a con artist."

And so are you. There's not one iota of difference between you, Greg Szymanski, Michael Collins Piper or Christopher Bollyn. The only difference between you and them is that they're open about their racism and anti-Semitism, while you hide your hatred of African-Americans, Mexicans and Jews.

The lying liar whines, "...You haven't answered yet. Do you or do you not believe Willie's hero story?"

I believe officer Lim. He said Willie is a hero, and that ends the debate.

"...I literally had to kick him out. This guy [Rodriguez] wanted to stay with me all the time...This is the true hero of 9/11." -- Officer Lim

Officer Lim's credibility is beyond question. You, on the other hand, have no credibility whatsoever. Thus, your argument is a pile of crap.

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At 08 July, 2013 14:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, I hope you can get the speech therapy you need. You'll never be able to get out of Franco's and make the scene where the hotties hang out with a Lithp like that.

Where do you get your information that the reference to Pearl Harbor was about battleships? Do you get all your information from liars, or do you just make it up?

The reference to the need for a new Pearl Harbor in the "Rebuilding America's Defenses" document was in a discussion of the need for military transformation (p. 50-51)--of technologies, strategy, missions, budgets, forward bases, missile defense, control of space, and control of cyberspace.

You don't know what you're talking about. You make your stuff up--or you get it from a liar who makes HIS stuff up.

 
At 08 July, 2013 14:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I said that Willie had a habit of hypocrisy--of associating with people like Piper, Bollyn, and Szymanski and then trying to distance himself from them--even to the extent of denying that his name appear on the cover of a book written with them.

I never associated with Piper, Bollyn, and Szymanski. I don't associate with bigots.

I don't associate with Rodriguez. I don't associate with fraudsters.

Officer Lim now refuses to comment on Willie's story. Does that not suggest that Mr. Lim has had second thoughts about it?

So you, Mr. Applied Mathematician, do not have an opinion on whether it was possible for Willie's key to save "hundreds of lives" in the context of a 99%-successful evacuation of 15,000 people?

And you claim you do not have an opinion on Willie's claim that on his 39 floors there were 23 or so floors where people were trapped behind locked fire exits?

And you do not have an opinion on whether a 22-story collapse inside WTC1 was possible?

And you do not have an estimate on how many people should have died on those 22 floors had they been waiting behind locked doors for Willie to come and set them free?

 
At 08 July, 2013 14:53, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

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At 08 July, 2013 14:57, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

Bwian just revealed that he cannot read.

MGF, I hope you can get the speech therapy you need. You'll never be able to hang with me while I flash my junk at the little old ladies in Golden Gate Park.

PNAC's Pearl Harbor reference comes in the section talking about US Naval dependency on the Aircraft Carrier, and how Pearl harbor exposed the obsolescence of the Battleship, it would be unfortunate for a similar event to reveal the weakness of of carrier battle group strategy.


Where do you get your information that the reference to Pearl Harbor was about battleships? You should get your 'information' from experienced liars, like me...or you can do what I do when I'm in a corner, just make it up.

I demand that you prove my assertions are in error (snicker).

MGF, what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

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At 08 July, 2013 15:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Further, the process of transformation even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a New Pearl Harbor." -- Jones Report: Human-Deficient Brzezinski Exposed for 9/11 Culpability.

But that's only one sentence from the PNAC document.

What's the context of the statement "process of transformation"?

The following passage from the PNAC document reveals the context:

"...Information technologies are having the same kind of transforming effects on military affairs as they are having in the larger world. The effect of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence." -- PNAC: Rebuilding America's Defenses.

See? You're a liar, idiot.

MGF, is right, and you're full of crap.

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At 08 July, 2013 15:25, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

Brian has PNAC envy.

Do nooooooooot...fibber, fibber, liar, liar. I have Ph.D envy.

I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dyslexic and gay that I get sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited for February 14th. I think it's Vaseline Day!

MGF, what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

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At 08 July, 2013 16:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 08 July, 2013 16:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, if you had bothered to read my post, you would see that I already answered your question.

The context of the statement of the need for a "New Pearl Harbor" was a discussion of the need for military transformation (p. 50-51)--of technologies, strategy, missions, budgets, forward bases, missile defense, control of space, and control of cyberspace.

 
At 08 July, 2013 16:56, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

ButtGale, if I had bothered to read the PNAC document, I would see that it doesn't say what I claim it says.

Since don't understand the concept of context, I deliberately conflate "the need for military transformation (p. 50-51)--of technologies, strategy, missions, budgets, forward bases, missile defense, control of space, and control of cyberspace" with "[i]nformation technologies are having the same kind of transforming effects on military affairs as they are having in the larger world. The effect of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence."

Utterfail, so what makes you think I'm an idiot who has the reading skills of a small child?

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At 08 July, 2013 17:10, Blogger James B. said...

Odd, I have read that document several times, and I can't find the part where it talks about transforming our defenses by getting involved in counter insurgency operations or protecting non-existent oil pipelines. Must be in the small print....

 
At 08 July, 2013 19:05, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"The idea that there's a big meeting of a vast army of conspirators who are permitted to see each other's faces is a silly straw man argument."

The 9/11 hijackers were hand picked by bin Laden and KSM. So in the case of the actual conspiracy you are talking out of your ass.

 
At 08 July, 2013 19:39, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"Further, the process of transformation,even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the
requirements of current missions. A
decision to suspend or terminate aircraft carrier production, as recommended by this report and as justified by the clear direction
of military technology, will cause great upheaval."
-PNAC, p.51.

Pearl Harbor is referenced in the context of a conventional attack from an opposing conventional force - NOT A TERRORIST ATTACK. If anything the 9/11 attacks maintained the status quo and put off the suggested changes recommended on this document.

Terrorism is bad for business.It is expensive to fight with little concrete results other than being able to say "At least they didn't attack us today." At almost 12 years after 9/11 the US government still does not completely understand counter terror operations. The different departments still fight each other over how best to fight it. The DoD wrestled away the Predator program from the CIA in spite of the CIA's dazzling success in destroying Al Qaeda and Taliban infrastructure. The "Big Army" has been at odds with USASOC's manhunters,and SF ODA team activities. Now we've gotten a good picture of the NSA's program and the thing nobody wants to admit is that the NSA is the last agency that should be in the Counter Terror business in a big way because it is just TOO BIG.

...and then there's the FBI interviewing the Boston Marathon bomber - after warnings from the Russian security service - and decided to ignore them.

That that whole "New American Century" thing has not gone as planned.

 
At 08 July, 2013 20:45, Blogger Ian said...

Well, I see Brian spent a lonely July 4th weekend posting spam about his paranoid fantasies about PNAC. I guess he couldn't go away for the weekend since he has no job and couldn't afford a trip. He can't even afford a decent haircut.

 
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At 09 July, 2013 08:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

James B., I don't know where you get the idea that global domination can be achieved without counter-insurgency operations.

Why would the messy details be revealed in the Rebuilding America's Defenses? After all, counter-insurgency doesn't look very defensive, does it?

 
At 09 July, 2013 08:21, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

James B., I finally told my parents they are gay.

So James B., what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

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At 09 July, 2013 08:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

So ButtGlub thinks the bigot, liar, incompetent scholar and advocate of violence Dr. Kevin Barrett is a credible source.

In your dreams, fool. And where's Willie? He ran away squealing and crying after I proved that his hero story was a lie.

 
At 09 July, 2013 15:11, Blogger Ian said...

I think this is a good time to mock Brian for his hideous haircut:

http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

What's even better is that he was banned from Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Serious researchers like Jim Fetzer don't want a deranged liar and sex predator like Brian sullying their reputation.

 
At 09 July, 2013 18:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 09 July, 2013 22:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

You can always count on Skidmark for catty Liananity and comments on fashion. Maybe he should start a fashion blog.

 
At 10 July, 2013 04:36, Blogger Ian said...

You can always count on Skidmark for catty Liananity and comments on fashion. Maybe he should start a fashion blog.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Poor Brian. I've humiliated him again by reminding him of what a failure he is. I mean, it's been 4 1/2 years since he started posting here and he STILL hasn't managed to get a single one of the widows' 273 questions answered. Not one.

 
At 10 July, 2013 04:37, Blogger Ian said...

Hey Brian, remember that time you were banned from Wikipedia for vandalizing the page of the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

 
At 10 July, 2013 08:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

No, I don't remember that, Lian. I never vandalized any pages about the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team. Who says I did, and what makes them think I did?

 
At 10 July, 2013 09:13, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

Hey Brian, remember that time you were banned from Wikipedia for vandalizing the page of the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team?...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

No, I don't remember that, Lian. I never vandalized any pages about the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team. Who says I did, and what makes them think I did?

"UtterFail, your pretense that I am failing to provide links is transparent. I haven't failed to provide links. You have...I don't watch Olympic gymnastics. It's too upsetting to see 15-year-old girls who haven't reached puberty because their training is so stressful. They're freaks like Castrati. It's child abuse."

So Ian, what makes you think that I'm a liar?

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At 10 July, 2013 14:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

Smells like ButtGale around here.

Where there's smoke there's . . . smoke.

 
At 10 July, 2013 15:15, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

Smells like my ButtHole around here...Where there's smoke there's . . . smoke.

Brian Good was banned from the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance meetings and our e-mail list. He attended our last meeting, when Kevin Barrett and his wife, Fatna were there. They had been invited to join us for a potluck dinner prior to the meeting. Brian wore black and a giant V for Vendetta mask, and at some point rudely verbally attacked Dr. Barrett, and of course he gave his flyer/handout to all who would take them, when they left the meeting...People felt that he was mentally disturbed.." -- Carol Brouillet, 12 April 2010

Ian, what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

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At 10 July, 2013 15:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

Nobody ever informed me that I was banned. I've attended several meetings of the group in the last few years, and two this year alone.

Kevin Barrett is a liar, a bigot, and an incompetent scholar--and he blames me for his misfortunes after I pointed that out.

 
At 10 July, 2013 15:51, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

Poor Brian. I've humiliated him again by reminding him of what a failure he is. I mean, it's been 4 1/2 years since he started posting here and he STILL hasn't managed to get a single one of the widows' 273 questions answered. Not one.

"Kevin, his wife Fatna, organizers from Sacramento, after everyone left the event, went out and tried to speak reasonably with Brian. They realized he was a very lonely guy and obviously obsessed with his delusions. They were compassionate and Brian was very rude, to say the least, although Brian did manage to talk Kevin out of the last copy of the new edition of Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters (Kevin had run out of books- people who had attended the Saturday night event had had to order them through Fatna) - so Brian actually got Kevin's only last hard copy, but Brian made a nasty joke about "Musliming Kevin down" on the price and giving him $5 instead of the $10 standard price." -- Carol Brouillet, 12 April 2010

So Ian, what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

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At 10 July, 2013 17:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

People in Sacramento should have been shocked to see that the speaker who was advertised as an expert on 9/11 and a peace activist was actually a liar, a bigot, and an advocate of violence who had recently threatened to burn down the Governor's Mansion in the very town where he was speaking.

Say, you wouldn't be trying to distract from the fact that Willie Rodriguez ran away squealing and crying after I proved that his hero story was a lie, would you?

 
At 10 July, 2013 18:31, Blogger snug.butt.plug said...

Squeal squeal squeal!

"I felt badly about all the relentless attacks Brian has launched against Kevin and William Rodriguez, who have probably helped the truth movement more than Brian, who has probably harmed the truth movement more than they have. I also was late for the dinner (which Ken Jenkins and I were hosting) It took me an hour and forty-five minutes to get to Berkeley- so I was an hour late with much of the food."

Ian, what makes you think that I'm a sex predator?

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At 10 July, 2013 18:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

How does that change the fact that Willie Rodriguez ran away squealing and crying after I proved that his hero story was a lie?

 
At 10 July, 2013 19:01, Blogger Ian said...

No, I don't remember that, Lian. I never vandalized any pages about the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team. Who says I did, and what makes them think I did?

Poor Brian. He's hysterical because I humiliated him in reminding him that he got banned from Wikipedia for being a pervert!

Hey Brian, do you know what I did today? I got a haircut! A good one by my usual barber. I'd recommend that he take care of that hideous homeless mullet you have, but a) you're too poor to afford him, and b) he's an Orthodox Jew, and you're an anti-semite who thinks Jews conspired to destroy the WTC.

 
At 10 July, 2013 20:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you can't answer the question: who says I vandalized pages about the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team (besides you)? And what makes you think I did?



 
At 10 July, 2013 20:09, Blogger Ian said...

So you can't answer the question: who says I vandalized pages about the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team (besides you)? And what makes you think I did?

Wikipedia says you vandalized the page of the Chinese women's Olympic gymnastics team. That's why they banned you. I tend to take their word over that of a worthless liar with a hideous haircut like you.

 
At 10 July, 2013 21:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

Where does wikipedia say that?

 

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