Ryan and Gage at Nation of Islam Rally

I've seen or listened to most of their presentation and have the following comments:

Ryan's speech is simply a weak version of Loose Change.  Like Dylan, he throws a blizzard of "facts" at you, but unlike Do-Over he doesn't tie it together into any sensible order. He does lead with a phrase that should make most "responsible" Troofers wince: "Muslims did not attack the US on 9-11."  I was surprised that this statement got a very tepid response from the huge crowd, and thought maybe they weren't as gullible as Farrakhan. Big mistake, as we shall see later.

From there he starts the blizzard of nuttery routine.  Atta ate pork, snorted coke and dated a stripper.  Not true, of course, as the stripper was the source for the other allegations about Atta, and she has since admitted that she dated another guy named Mohamed.  Ryan recommends Hopsicker and Griffin.

Did you know that half of the "alleged" hijackers are still alive?  This one has always struck me as quite bizarre.  Let's grant for a moment the Troofer fantasy that the US government was behind the attacks.  Why, exactly, leave 9 or more or your supposed hijackers alive to contradict the official story?  I mean, wouldn't it be relatively easy to, say, kidnap 19 young Muslims from various Middle Eastern countries, kill them, and then execute your plot and announce to the world that these were the guys who did it?

From there we gallop to "set up to fail" to the Afghanistan pipeline (still not built) to Norm Mineta to Sibel Edmonds.  Ryan flat-out lies when he says FBI agent Robert Wright was investigating al Qaeda; in fact his job was investigating Hamas and Hezbollah. Able Danger gets wheeled out.  Again, in the context of the conspiracy theory that Ryan apparently believes (no Muslim hijackers) Able Danger makes no sense.  The Defense Intelligence Agency was tracking a guy who by the way didn't hijack a plane and is still alive!  Inside Job!


Ryan expresses amazement that they knew the names of all the hijackers within 72 hours.  Shall we play the "Hunt the Hijacker" game again?  Ryan closes where he led off: The people accused of carrying out 9-11 were not Muslims.  Poor wording, of course, as even the dullest Troofer would have to admit that the people accused are Muslims.  He gets modest, polite applause, to the point where the junior minister emceeing the affair has to beg for another pity round.

Gage follows.  He does the usual routine where he asks how many believe in the official story?  Very few hands.  How many aren't sure?  Maybe 10 percent.  How many believe the government was behind it?  Almost everybody.  So apparently the tepid reaction to Ryan was not skepticism, but ennui.

Gage's presentation is fairly standard and long and I won't spend much time talking about it.   I did find it interesting that he persists in using segments from Sofia Shafquat's 9-11 Mysteries film during his talk.  As I never tire of pointing out, Sofia credits Holocaust Denier Eric Hufschmid with inspiring her crockumentary, and used to sell the Ernst Zundel Story on her website.

BTW, no sign of Kevin Barrett on that stage so apparently my source inside AE9-11 Truth was wrong on that score; maybe it was just a mix-up as to which loon named Kevin was appearing.

Uncle Fetzer: I Am Not a Holocaust Denier

But he is. Fetzer on a forum:

As for your question about popular conspiracy theories, I didn't think you were being serious. But now that I grasp your advanced state of mental deterioration, let me say, for the record, that I do not believe there are lizard people among us (though you may be the exception), I believe Elvis is dead, I am not a Holocaust denier (even though I'm inclined to believe the numbers killed have been exaggerated)...

Bolding added for emphasis. Of course, denying the numbers killed is a central element to Holocaust Denial.

As a reminder, Fetzer himself noted Holocaust Denial's similarity to 9-11 Truth at the Chandler conference back in 2007:



Hat Tip: Lenbrazil at JREF.

Some More Guilt By Association

Box Boy, we know. Who is Ian R. Crane?

“Fool me once …” was recorded live at the Glastonbury Symposium in July 2007. Ian R Crane, past Chair of the UK 9/11 Truth Campaign...

Okay, so a Brit Troofer. But what's this about a False Flag Event in 2012?

Ian also introduces Project ZION and presents his startling prediction of what is being planned to accelerate implementation of the One World Government … a False Flag fake Alien Invasion to be staged at 2012 London Olympics.

Yep, the New World Order has a False Flag fake Alien Invasion planned for next year. At the Olympics.

You know what the beauty of these predictions is? Even if you're wrong, you're right, because you turn it into your great success at preventing the false flag attack by alerting the people so the evil schemers had to change their plans. Here's a post by a right-wing kook last year, predicting a false-flag terrorist attack by Obama in order to stave off the lambasting the Democrats took last November:

That party is now being threatened with being thrown out of power. If that party is evil enough and fascist enough to cause an economic catastrophe, it is certainly evil and fascist enough to cause a physical catastrophe, an Ultimate October Surprise, that will frighten and enrage voters enough to preserve its power in November.

What could this be? The most likely would be another 9/11, a massively horrific terrorist attack, perhaps even nuclear. An attack for which no one or no group will claim responsibility, no Al Qaeda, no Osama bin Laden, no Timothy McVeigh - just a plethora of pointed fingers at a multitude of suspects, without any sufficiently hard evidence to implicate one in particular.

And he ends by calling on the people to rise up and let Obama's minions know they won't get away with it:

Millions of such messages delivered ever week from now to November 2nd may convince even Rahm Emanuel to abandon the evil he and his fellow Dems are planning.

And then, on an Election Day that has seen no October Surprise but a Dem Demolition instead, we can all congratulate ourselves and say to each other, This was no accident, Comrades.

And you know what? This is the secret behind Alex Jones' supposed prediction of 9-11:

Get it? He was setting himself up to be the man who prevented a terrorist attack, not the man who predicted a terrorist attack.

Anyway, back to Ian R. Crane and his fantasies of a fake alien invasion at the Olympics. See that part about Project ZION? Well, the organizers of the London Olympics came up with a logo for the games and the kooks went nuts:

Most normal folks would look at that top part and see London Olympics 2012. But the kooks see the bottom part--read down and then across and it looks a little like ZION, if you turn the last 2 90 degrees clockwise.

Oh, and here are the official mascots for the London Olympics:

You see? They look like aliens! The bastards are announcing their plans beforehand!

Now, with all that, you can probably see why Gage is appearing on the stage with this fruitcake: Because the idiots who believe this crap will probably believe his crap. But (you knew there had to be a but, didn't you?) it turns out there's even more. Check out this video of Mr Crane in Wales last year:

About 6:30 in he mentions that he gave a lecture at the Deep Politics conference in May 2010, where he pointed out the number of people in the US government who had two passports (implying American and Israeli). He says Alex Jones can't talk about Zionism in America, because if he does, he'll be shut down. And then he adds:

"The equivalent we've got in this country is to question the Holocaust. You know, it's a non-subject. All you're going to do is bring the whole weight of the Jewish community down on you--you're going to present your head on a platter."

So not only is Gage sharing the stage with a complete nutter, he's sharing it with a Holocaust-Denier. Why am I no longer shocked?

Richard Gage Cites Holocaust Denier Anthony Lawson

As a follow up to James' last post, here's Box Boy Gage at the recent Hartford confab:


Note the bit starting at 1:30 in where he says, "Ten years ago I watched the towers come down on TV and I was just in a state of shock. And I didn't know what I was looking at. None of us had seen that kind of destruction before, save some very explosive events. But you know, we were told that it was an orange, and yet what we're looking at is an apple."

Well, most of you probably know where Richard Gage picked up that particular metaphor:

Anthony Lawson put that video together, and obviously Gage found his presentation compelling. Will he soon be citing evidence from Lawson's new video?

Holocaust, Hate Speech & Were the Germans so Stupid? from SomberImperil on Vimeo.

Hey, I'm just asking questions.

Gage also mentions that he's getting a five minute video on WTC-7 broadcast on PBS nationwide as a filler. "We're paying a lot of money for that." It's good to hear that PBS is seeking alternative means of funding.

BTW, along the lines of James' last post, watch the end of that video of Gage in Hartford. About 17:00 in, Gage starts talking about the "personal sacrifice" he's made for 9-11 Troof; "losing my house, losing my wife... not everybody can handle 9-11, they can't have it around them. It's separating families, it's separating friends, it's separating colleagues, so as long you're--what are you going to do? As soon as you step forward, yes, you'll take some losses, but what are you going to gain? What I've gained is incredible. When I've spoken to groups like this and people look at me in the eye and they're teared (sic) because they are so grateful that somebody is stepping forward and taking the banner...."

Troofers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains. And your house. And your wife and your kids....

Hat Tip: Guitar Bill

Scratch a Truther....

You may recall Anthony Lawson, who did a great job exposing the BS of September Clues, a Truther "No-Planes" video:



Of course, Lawson himself is a Troofer. His sole reason for debunking the no-planers was that he wanted to focus the fruitcakes on different areas of research. However, he's also something of a no-planer himself:


Well, now Lawson has revealed his thoughts about the Holocaust, and as you might expect, it's the usual:

Having been tortured, Rudolf Höss, who was the commander of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943, almost certainly lied to save the lives of his wife and children. Even if torture and duress cannot not be proven, the overwhelming reason for recognizing the utter falsity of the Höss confession is that the gassing method he described was not scientifically plausible.

Yet Höss’s conviction has stood, by inference, as a testament to the cruelty of Germans in general, since he was tried at Nuremberg, in 1947, and subsequently hanged on April 16th, 1947, in Poland.

With great respect for those who have tried—though harassed, punished, fined, imprisoned and otherwise abused—to tell it like it really was: Arthur R. Butz, Robert Faurisson, Paul Grubach, Gerd Honsik, David Irving, Kevin Käther, Nicholas Kollerstrom, Fred Leuchter, Horst Mahler, Ingrid Rimland, Germar Rudolf, Bradley Smith, Sylvia Stolz, Fredrick Töbin, Ernst Zündel and many others.

Here's the video Lawson has put together expressing his Holocaust Denial.

Hat tip: Lenbrazil at JREF.

Box Boy to Launch Broadsheet

It's just another way of wringing more dough out of the rubes.

This September, the most important print item in the history of AE911Truth will make its debut. The “911 Investigator,” the first annual edition of our informative new color broadsheet newspaper, is now available for early order in our online store, and you’ll be able to get 100 copies shipped at low bulk prices and distribute them proudly in your local community.

What a shock, they didn't check carefully before naming their newspaper the 911 (sic) Investigator. As it happens, there is a 9-11 "Truther" posting under that name at JREF, and guess what? He's a Holocaust Denier:

My position on the bunnycaust is that I will believe that it happened if somebody can demonstrate it to me that it happened.

In Europe we hold the view that somebody is innocent until proven guilty very unlike jungles like the US (jungle, because the dudalbs, the dtuggs, the parkys and the finewines are in charge) where the rule is: 'listen pall, we're going to throw you in jail for 4 years. However, if you confess being guilty we'll reduce your sentence to 2 years' ('fleabargain').

So here is my request to the local Israel-Lobby here on this forum (dudalb, dtugg, parky, finewine and a few hundred more): demonstrate to me that 6 million people were gassed in WW2 under the Nazis.

Wait, I'll make it easy for you: prove that only one person was gassed.

The Continuing Idiocy of Kevin Barrett

Looks like he's digging in about his Holocaust Denial; he's having a prominent Holocaust Denier on his show this Saturday, and he's published an open letter to Andrea (sic) Merkel on his blog admitting his own "skepticism" that six million Jews died in the concentration camps.

But seriously, Ms. Merkel, you may ask why I side with Hilberg's estimate of 5.1 [million] Holocaust deaths rather than the well-known figure of six million. My answer is that Thomas Dalton, in his book Debating the Holocaust, presents evidence that the figure of six million European Jewish victims threatened with destruction repeatedly occurs long before anyone could possibly have known the real figure. For example, the February 23rd, 1938 New York Times describes six million European Jews as "slowly dying of starvation, all hope gone." Yet at that time the Holocaust, much less its precise body count, was still several years away. A few decades earlier, the May 7, 1920 New York Times cited "Jewish war sufferers in Central and Eastern Europe, where six millions face horrifying conditions of famine, disease and death..."

Barrett goes on to mention the Auschwitz Gambit, which has been debunked for years. Oddly after all this nuttiness, Barrett arrives at a number for the Holocaust:

After reading three books on the issue--Lipstadt's Denying the Holocaust, Shermer's Denying History, and Dalton's Debating the Holocaust--I am now prepared to state that I find pre-eminent Holocaust scholar Raul Hilberg's estimate of 5.1 million Jewish Holocaust victims a more reasonable estimate.

Oddly, because that's not an unreasonable number. Nobody, despite the claims of Holocaust Deniers, says that six million is set in stone. Indeed, in the famed lawsuit between David Irving and Deborah Lipstadt, the definition of the Holocaust was:

Evans argued that the term is generally understood to denote "the attempt by Nazi Germany, led by Hitler, to exterminate the Jewish population in Europe, which attempt succeeded to the extent of murdering between 5 and 6 million Jews in a variety of ways, including mass gassings in camps built for the purpose".

(Bolding added for emphasis).

I'm not sure where Barrett is going with his claims that the NY Times published stories about 6 million Jews dying much earlier than that figure could have been known or even contemplated; I suspect his argument amounts to "they kept claiming 6 million Jews perished after WWI and eventually the world accepted it about WWII." It's certainly a stupid argument, kind of like arguing that since Wonder Woman crashed her plane into the World Trade Center in a mid-1980s comic book, nobody could later have crashed a plane into the Twin Towers.


Incidentally, while we're on the subject of Holocaust Denying, 9-11 kooks, Bishop Williamson was fined 10,000 euros for his Holocaust Denial.

Hat Tip: JREF Forum Member Nick Terry. Good find!

Jesse Ventura Interviewed by Holocaust-Denying, Hate-Mongering Paper

Coming off his guest-hosting Larry King Live, Jesse the Nutbar Ventura was interviewed by American Free Press.

The straight-talking Ventura had just finished filling in for CNN’s Larry King Live as a guest host when he spoke with this AFP writer. Notably, Ventura had Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) as one of the guests on the show the evening of April 9. Another was “defrocked” former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich who, despite harboring more liberal views than Paul, concurred with the Texas congressman on several matters, particularly Paul’s insistence that the United States end its interventionist foreign policy that is a factor in bankrupting the nation.

What is American Free Press? Those who've been reading this blog for awhile know its a publication by Holocaust Denier Willis Carto:

In 2001, after years of stalling and legal wrangling in an attempt to shield his assets from seizure, Carto was ordered by the courts to relinquish control of Liberty Lobby and The Spotlight and to vacate his long held Liberty Lobby offices in Washington, D.C. Soon after, Carto did shutter The Spotlight (its last edition was July 2, 2001). However, a month later, Carto and former staffers of The Spotlight created yet another newspaper, American Free Press. Today, the Press carries stories on Zionism, secret "New World Order" conspiracies, American Jews and Israel. Mixed in are advertisements for outfits like Pete Peter's Scriptures for America and Kingdom Identity Ministries — practitioners of Christian Identity, a theology that claims that Jews are the biological descendants of Satan.

We've talked extensively about the American Free Press in the past, including its former 9-11 CT reporter (and current fugitive) Christopher Bollyn.

Why on Earth is Jesse Ventura palling around with a neo-Nazi publication? According to the interview, the Conspiracy Theory show he hosts on TruTV has been picked up for another ten episodes:

While the former Navy Seal who became a high-profile independent Minnesota governor would love to specify the 10 topics, he was not yet fully at liberty to reveal what they are, though he did say one is about the shooting of John F. Kennedy. “Initially there were seven episodes; now they’re ordering 10 more,” he stated in an upbeat manner, while noting that some decisions still have to be made on what will air and in what order.

“We have 20 conspiracies that we’ll have to pare down to 10. I’ll have to battle with the network, but in the end we’ll settle on 10 of them. They promised JFK. There is no pecking order at all.”

Is it too much to hope that Jesse will decide to do one on the Holocaust?

Steven Jones "Would Be Very Sad" to See Holocaust Denier Leave Troof Movement

Adam Syed, whose Holocaust Denial I discussed here, posted an April Fools' Day Prank on 9-11 Blogger this week, in which he "announced" that he was now an ex-Troofer. Professor Jones commented:

I figured it must be an April Fools joke as I read your name, Adam.

You know about explosive nanothermite -- something the debunkers shy away from.

I would have been very sad to see you go and leave the fray...

Scratch a Truther....

Who is Adam Syed? He's a Cincinnati-based 9-11 Truther and violinist. And yes, he's a Holocaust Denier. Check out his review (Kameelyun) at Amazon of a book of Holocaust Denial. I love the opening:

This book reminds me in many ways of David Ray Griffin's 9/11 books....

Indeed.

It was once official orthodoxy that 4 million were murdered at Auschwitz but in 1990 that number was reduced down to 1 million. And so on and so forth. And the 'homicidal gas chambers' as murder weapon has been called into serious question by many people including, notably, German chemist Germar Rudolf, who is currently serving prison time in Germany for his research in which he concludes that these gas chambers, logistically, could never have served for the gassing of large numbers of people. Now, the casual reader might be reading these technical details and wondering "So what? Hitler's regime was still cruel to Jews nonetheless, gas chambers or no." This is true and no serious revisionist denies this. However, as Dalton says at the beginning of Chapter 1, the main "holocaust" of the mid 20th century was World War II, and there were sub-holocausts within it: the hundreds of thousands toasted in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Allied firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg and Cologne, et cetera.

The Auschwitz Gambit is so familiar a lie that Nizkor (a site debunking the Holocaust Deniers) has a special page dedicated to it. And note that none of the "Holocausts" listed above were committed by the Nazis and their allies; no mention of the Holocaust of Lidice or Nanking.

Barrett: Still Digging

Still unable to admit that the Holocaust happened:

1. Do you believe that the holocaust happened?

Which holocaust? I think it is utterly bizarre that only one of the many holocausts, the killing of a large number of Jews by the Nazis during World War II, has become THE Holocaust, an object of worship and sacred narrative (myth). It is even more bizarre that this sacred narrative's main purpose is to justify the ongoing holocaust in Palestine.

So yes, I do believe that the holocaust in Palestine that your tax dollars are paying for happened, and continues to happen, and will continue to happen until we decide to stop this holocaust that WE are perpetrating, rather than making a fetish out of one perpetrated by our enemies more than sixty years ago. And I believe that the Palestinian holocaust has been made possible by the creation of a sacred narrative about Nazis killing Jews during World War II. While I do believe that Nazis killed a large numbers of Jews during World War II -- I have not studied the issue enough to know how many were killed under what circumstances -- I do not understand why this story has become sacred, nor do I understand why it is used to justify the ongoing holocaust in Palestine. After all, it was Germans, not Palestinians, who killed Jews during World War II.

Remember, when Holocaust Deniers are asked about the Holocaust, the classic dodge is to talk about "other" holocausts; Christopher Bollyn wanted to talk about the fire-bombing of Dresden.

Signs of Progress?

You won't see me complimenting the Troofers very often, but here's a shout-out to those who have disassociated themselves with We Are Change Melbourne for their Holocaust denial:



Check out the comments on WAC-Melbourne's YouTube page:

The murder of >5million Jews and >5million Gentiles in the Nazi death camps is very well documented - don't fall into the trap of thinking that pretending otherwise is "Trutherist".

sorry mate just unsubscribed

Dude how can you say you are part of the truth movement and go under the name of WeAreChange when you don't even believe the holocaust happened. You're giving WeAreChange a bad image because of a ridiculous believe you hold. There's tons of evidence proving it happened and lets see evidence proving it didn't happen... Please wise up and be a bit more responsible.

Why do you deny the holocaust? That is insane... I have visited Auschwitz concentration camp myself and seen the furnaces & accommodation they had along with the miles of electrocuted fences. Stop claiming the holocaust didn't happen you are just hurting the truth movement.

You're also a Holocaust denier? (watch?v=wR6wyEnhnTQ) You are the worst form of humanity, denying that the genocide of millions of Semitic people actually occurred. How disgusting.

I 100% agree with @MrBritDestruct (I unsubscribed, unfriend AND blocked ... not wasting my time)

Friendship removed.

You give the truth movement a bad name, you holocaust-denying scum. You are not a real truther, and anyone else who really cares about justice will stop associating with this hypocritical individual/group.

Yes, there are some supportive comments as well, but apparently the Alex Jones Channel on YouTube has blocked WAC-Melbourne (see the message to Dave video at the top of that page).

Of course, this being Alex Jones, you knew there had to be a "but" in there. Here's Alex from yesterday's show interviewing the Reverend Ted Pike, an anti-Semitic nutjob:

Holocaust Denier and 9-11 "Truther" Meyercord Crushed in Election

Wow, for a write-in candidate to get something like 50X the vote of somebody on the ballot is amazing.

Ken Meyercord, who had been running unopposed for an at-large seat on the Reston Citizens Association's 13-member volunteer board, received only 23 votes after his provocative views on Jews created a backlash.

Colin Mills, the write-in candidate for the at-large position on the board, received 1,157 votes, according to Mike Corrigan, the civic association's former president and a member of the election committee.

Kudos to Colin Mills and the other people behind the write-in campaign; they have done their good deed for the day.

"It's a fabulous result," said Debra Steppel, the former Reston Citizens Association board member behind the write-in campaign. "I'm very, very pleased."

Thumbs up, Debra!

Holocaust Museum Shooter Was 9-11 Truther

Well, well, scratch a 9-11 Truther and find a Holocaust Denier, yet again.

Authorities have confirmed that James W Von Brunn, a known anti-Semite who has published works concerning Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich and white supremacy was the gunman who entered Washington D.C.’s Holocaust Museum on Wednesday and shot a security guard before being shot himself.

Check out signer #9196 on the Justice for 9-11 Petition.

9196. James W. von Brunn, Maryland, USA

Note that the signers are up to 16,000, so it's not like one of us debunkers went in and added his name to the petition to make the Troofers look bad.

And in keeping with our notion that if you're stupid enough to fall for one conspiracy theory, you'll probably fall for another, von Brunn was also an Obama "Birther".

Hat Tip: JREFer sylvan8798.

Update: No surprise, he was a big fan of Infowars:

# JAMES VON BRUNN Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 10:35 am

Yours is an excellent site. Thanks for your efforts.
KEEP FIGHTING!

I HAVE WRITTEN A MOVIE-SCRIPT SET DURING U.S. CIVIL WAR. MANY PROBLEMS CHALLENGING THE SOUTH HAVE PARALLELS TODAY. PLS. PUT ME IN CONTACT WITH A MOVIE PRODUCER-DIRECTOR OF MEL GIBSON’S PROFESSIONALISM. WE ALL WILL PROFIT
JVB

The security guard has died. That makes five people murdered by 9-11 "Truthers" in the last year, and six people murdered by cretins that frequented Infowars.

Father Fruitcake

Had not heard about this guy before, but he's quite a character. He's been excommunicated from the Catholic Church for some 20 years, and yes, the old adage that if you scratch a Truther, you'll find a Holocaust Denier underneath applies:

A senior bishop of the Lefebvrist Society of St Pius X (SSPX) has endorsed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious anti-Semitic forgery that enjoys widespread currency in neo-Nazi circles.

Richard Williamson, one of four bishops ordained by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, told The Catholic Herald that the document - which supposedly reveals a Jewish plot to dominate the world - was authentic.

I like this description of him:

Dr Shimon Samuels, the centre's director of international relations, described Williamson as "the Borat of the schismatic Catholic far-Right" and said that he was "a clown, but a dangerous clown".

Nick Kollerstrom Speaks

And promptly reveals himself as a total wack-job. Kollerstrom was the 9-11 Troofer whose "research" into the Holocaust led to his dismissal from an honorary fellowship at the University College, London. Kollerstrom is also a 7/7 Troofer as you can hear in the video; the bit about the 7/21 failed bombers being a "prank" is especially offensive, or would be if it didn't come from such an obviously barmy bloke.

Kollerstrom has also called for a European investigation into 9-11. He envisions the inquiry taking place at four separate locations in Europe.

Each of these events would have two or three modules. Modules could be dedicated to, eg, ‘MIHOP versus LIHOP’, or, ‘What hit the Pentagon?’, and each could be one day or half a day for some. Suppose these two day-event modules were held in Amsterdam – maybe in the latter part of 2009: in that case, the Amsterdam steering committee there would receive proposals for material to be submitted and it would have the job of sifting through what was of decent caliber to be included. This would have to start a good six months before the event.

Sounds pretty grandiose, but Nick's got a great idea as to who would pay for it:

Funding: appeals for funding would go to the big Euro-insurance companies who forked out the four billion $ to re-build Ground Zero. Silverstein re-insured the Towers with these Euro-companies weeks before they fell and they all paid up. In case these don’t help we’d approach millionaire Jimmy Walters who helped us years ago, or maybe Islamic banking sources. Such funding could pay for real lawyers to be present and grill the witnesses, which would make it all much more realistic.

I think the Islamic banks are the most likely source there, especially when they hear about Nick's enlightened views on the Holocaust.

Personally, I enjoyed this discussion of Nick by one of his fellow 9-11 "Truthers":

I'd spent months trying to convince my brother to come along to a lecture or public meeting and take a look at 9/11, eventually I got him along to a talk I'd been largely involved in and was very proud of the tone and success of - A double bill of Calum Douglas and Gordon Ross.

My brother enjoyed it a lot. At the usual meeting at the pub around the corner I caught you out of the corner of my eye walking towards me. I knew what was coming and in panic I swiftly pre-empted:

"This guy's dodgy" I told my brother "Count the seconds before he mentions "The Jews""

And what happened? This:

"Hi Nick"

"Hello Stefan"

"This is my brother Jan"

"Hello"

"Did you enjoy the talk?"

"I did, but why won't Calum make the important point - why won't he just say that Rumsfeld is a Jew?"

Correction note: An earlier version of this post said that Kollerstrom had been at University of Central London. Thanks to emailer Simon for pointing out the error!

Nope, No Holocaust Deniers Here

A 9-11 Denier posts a little screed on how unfair it is that they are associated with Holocaust Deniers. Nothing could be further from the truth, says he:

Thirdly, I’ve never met a single truther that actually denied the Holocaust. Maybe some exist, but I haven’t found running any of the thousands of websites I’ve personally visited in trying to develop my own understanding of the events that took place on 9/11.

Well, let's take a look at the link between Holocaust Denial and 9-11 Denial, shall we? Eric Hufschmid was the first American to publish a book about 9-11 Troof, called Painful Questions, which was released in 2002. Eric might be called the godfather of the American 9-11 Truth Movement. And Eric is a Holocaust Denier.

We are told that the blue stains are proof that human beings were killed in this room by cyanide.

However, photos do not prove that people were killed in the room, or how many people, who which people, or why they were killed. Actually, photos do not prove the blue stains are from cyanide!

Even if the blue stains are from cyanide, there is no evidence that human beings were killed in that room. It may have been a disinfection chamber. Or maybe the room held chemicals, and the blue stains are due to splattering or leaky containers.

Eric Hufschmid's work was cited by David Ray Griffin in the New Pearl Harbor, and by Sofia Shafquat and Brad Waddell in 9-11 Mysteries. We shall return to Sofia later.

What about American Free Press? AFP was the single most-cited source in Loose Change 2nd Edition. From Wikipedia:

The American Free Press (AFP) is a weekly newspaper published in the United States. According to one former correspondent, the AFP's direct ancestor was the neo-nazi publication The Spotlight, which ceased publication in 2001 when its parent company, Liberty Lobby, was forced into bankruptcy.

The Liberty Lobby was founded by Willis Carto, who also founded the Institute for Historical Review.

Founded in 1979 by Liberty Lobby leader Willis Carto, the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) has spearheaded the international movement to deny the reality of the Holocaust. Though it broke with Carto and the Liberty Lobby network in 1993, to its own financial detriment, IHR remains the world's single most important outlet for Holocaust-denial propaganda.

One of the chief writers for American Free Press was Christopher Bollyn, currently a fugitive from justice. Bollyn, when asked about the Holocaust, wrote the following:

As I said, I have not seen at these three former camps any evidence of any large oven in which hundreds of people could be gassed or burned. Nor, have I seen any photographs or physical evidence of such an oven. I don't see how this could make me a denier of anything. One can only deny by refusing to acknowledge something that one has seen the evidence of. I have looked for the evidence of these huge gas chambers and crematoria and not found it in the places they are said to have existed. That does not make me a holocaust denier.

Bollyn's work is cited in several of David Ray Griffin's books, including Debunking 9-11 Debunking. Here's Bollyn collaborating with Professor Steven Jones:



One of the most famous 9-11 "Truthers" is Kevin Barrett, who was the first professor to incorporate 9-11 nuttery into a college-level course on Islam. Barrett wrote an email in which he slipped into Holocaust Denial:

As a rational person who is not a specialist in the subject of WWII, but who has studied the history of Zionist Big Lies vis-a-vis Palestine, I cannot possibly dismiss the arguments of people like Green, Irving, and even Zundel. And even if the 6-million-deliberately-murdered-for-purely-ethnic-reasons figure is correct--which it very well may be; I have grown agnostic on that after studying the Big Lies of Zionism-- I would still have to characterize the Holocaust as it is taught in the US as a hideously destructive myth.

I talked earlier about Sofia Shafquat. Her movie, 9-11 Mysteries: Demolitions, is probably the second biggest hit flick among the Troofers, surpassed only by Loose Change. Sofia's buddy Brad Waddell narrates the beginning to 9-11 Mysteries and cites Eric Hufschmid as the person who turned him into a 9-11 Troofer. Sofia's website is currently marketing the DVD and Book of the Ernst Zundel Story. Ernst Zundel is a major figure in Holocaust Denial.

Note that this is before we talk about relatively minor figures in the 9-11 Troofy Troof Movement, like Eric D. Williams, or Nick Kollerstrom.

Hat Tip: You Might Know Who (in the comments)

Uncle Fetzer Signs On With Holocaust Deniers?

Note the question mark at the end there. Fetzer's name is included as among the signers of a letter posted at Indy Media protesting the proposed deportation from England of Dr Fredrick Tobin, an Austrian Holocaust denier, to Germany to face charges over his nuttery.

Now you know how it is; I personally don't think kooks should face charges over their fruitcake theories. But the letter goes well beyond that, praising Tobin and other no-Holocaust nutjobs. Consider this part:

Rev. Ted Pike, a major American pro-First Amendment activist, states in “Toben Grabbed: International Hate Laws Bite Down”1 that “Every American, especially Christians, should protest this outrageous attack on freedom of speech. Although most Americans do not think like Dr. Toben, his arrest is just a taste of what will come—for Americans like you and your family—if we do not defend freedom now.”

Reverend Ted Pike? Yeah, he's a major American pro-First Amendment activist. He's also an anti-Semitic nutjob. I won't link his site, but among the useful bits of information he provides are these nuggets:

23 Oct 08 - Pedophilia: Thriving in Judaism's Right
ACLU Top Heavy with Jews
The Jews Behind Da Vinci Code

Note that he's not even hiding behind the usual "I'm talking about Zionists, not Jews" formulation that most anti-Semites use.

The letter also touts Toben's support for Captain Eric May's particular brand of lunacy:

Dr. Toben is a free thinker who has fearlessly explored other important issues besides Holocaust revisionism. He ran one of the first web sites to archive works by Capt. Eric May that exposed 9/11 as a likely CIA-Mossad inside job. May also suggested that petro-chemical explosions in the greater Houston area could be part of a dress rehearsal pattern for a repeated “9/11” terror event designed to justify war against Iran and domestic martial law.

May is crazy even by the standards of the Troofers; check out this bit of his numerology:

"A Beautiful Mind" was filmed before 911, in early 2001, but it was released after 911 - did the Hollywood Jews who made the movie know about 911 in advance, then brainwash us out of figuring it out? Come to think of it, was the whole attack a number game, in which the feds had spent years preparing us to call Big Brother in a national "911 call" in response to a "911 attack?” Is Hollywood part of a psychological operation?

The film was released on a very special date (and we've already seen how well dates can code): December 21st 2001. OK, try the number-code tricks I taught you above (see link, ed) and find the numeric sequence 12/21/21! The "Jewish" number 12, then 12 reversed - twice! It's all 12 permutations! Well, it's plenty tricky, but this has been a tricky infowar - at least to those of us (like Ghost Troop) with beautiful minds!

Or this:

Ninth paragraph:

"Since Nov. 1, wildfires have consumed more than 380,000 acres, destroyed 220 homes and businesses and killed two people."

This decodes to 111, then 11, then 22, then 2. Connect 22 with 2 and get 222; then reduce the 222 to 111. Now connect the date 111 with the acres 11 with the (modified) destroyed homes/people 111 to get 11111111.

11111111!

More from the letter:

The latest news on Dr. Toben’s case can be found at Lady Michele Renouf’s web site. Another hearing will likely be held Nov. 11. This gives us additional time to mobilize global protest against this international outrage.

Lady Michele Renouf? Yep, yet another Holocaust Denier:

Renouf has become increasingly known in recent years for her support of prominent Holocaust deniers. Her interest in World War II and the Holocaust began in 2000, when she read a newspaper article on David Irving's libel case against historian Deborah Lipstadt. She attended the hearing and became impressed with Irving's case, saying "I found on Irving's side of the courtroom a solitary person representing himself, backed up by enormous forensic research and tremendously capable debate based on substance and fact... On the other side of the courtroom I saw 21-25 people with laptops connected it seems to the Israeli government."

Sofia Continues to Branch Out Into Exciting New Areas

Like Holocaust Denial. She is currently marketing on her site the book and movie, The Ernst Zundel story. Reprehensor is appropriately appalled:

What is one of the most popular 9/11 Truth videos on the street right now?

Arguably, Sofia Shafquat's "911 Mysteries".

Sofia Shafquat is currently selling "The Ernst Zundel Story" at her online store.

I repeat; One of the highest profile 9/11 Truth websites is selling an Ernst Zundel documentary. This has been going on for months.

When you consider the attention that the Simon Wiesenthal Center has paid to the 9/11 Truth movement, and AE911Truth.org in particular, you have to seriously consider the intentions of such a move.

Well, you know how it is; Reprehensor thinks Sofia's some kind of agent planted in the 9-11 "Truth" Movement to discredit the serious (heh) researchers out there. After her movie became a big hit with the Troofers she exposes her real agenda and pow, the movement gets another black eye.

Because, you know, who could possibly have had any idea that Sofia had any connection with Holocaust Denial? Other than the fact that Sofia's buddy Brad Waddell cited Eric Hufschmid in the opening monologue as having turned him onto the Troof. But somehow the Hardly Boys didn't catch that raging clue.

Update: Kudos to Jon Gold who doesn't often get them around here, for not showing 9-11 Mysteries at 9-11 Truth Tuesdays, a weekly run of Truther movies in Wayne, PA.

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