None Dare Call It Science

Frank Legge continues to post in his Journal of 911 Studies (he is one of the editors) with this short paper on the Pentagon. In typical conspiracy theory logic he argues that a plane probably did hit the Pentagon, which proves there was a conspiracy. A lack of falsifiability is the hallmark of crank science.

The position I hold is simple. In answer to the question "What hit the Pentagon?" I say I don't know and attempt to turn the discussion to the more fundamental question "Why was the Pentagon hit?". It should not have been. It should have been well defended. Flight 77, a Boeing 757, was the third plane hijacked, so there was ample time to confirm that real hijackings were taking place, not a war game, and ample time to send up fighters to intercept, as is the normal procedure. One presumes that there were also anti-aircraft defenses
round the Pentagon, as it is the hub of the military machine.

Of course good science isn't based on evidence or observation, but unsubstantiated presumptions. Later on he continues:

The most logical inference from the Pentagon attack evidence is that the perpetrators of 9/11 knew that there would be many members of the public who would become suspicious for one reason or another. The perpetrators realized that a powerful technique for weakening the arguments of the skeptics would be to have them arguing against one another. Like a good playwright they balanced contradictory evidence to keep the public guessing. On cue the media critics gave the NIST report high praise and we were left guessing about the actions
and motives of the people behind the curtain.

This probably won't make him popular with the CIT people, since he claims they are being misled, but that it is the evil NWO planting evidence that is the culprit, not their own warped thought process.

Update: I should also mention this section, which could be the textbook example of "The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy". I always shake my head at the fact that the troofers insist that Hani Hanjour could not have navigated successfully to the Pentagon, despite the fact that it is one of the largest buildings in the world, but then once he did, then he must have targetted the area he it because of its specific characteristics, not because it just happened to be from the side he was coming from.

Why did the plane aim for the reinforced section, which still had few occupants due to the recent renovation? Would al Qaeda have wanted to minimize casualties? Why did it not hit the relatively weak roof? There were auditors in the damaged section who were investigating the loss of trillions of military dollars. Most of the auditors died, which has led to considerable speculation regarding motive. Who would wish to kill auditors?

Yet Moron the NYC Ballot Initiative

Big Al at JREF actually bothered to stop by City Hall in NY and find out why the Troofers failed again.

The short version is that they didn't have enough valid signatures. Further, the whole cockamamie approach was found to be an overreach:

First, the federal government has jurisdiction over an investigation into the attacks that took place on September 11 as well as the causes of those attacks. Establishing a local commission to conduct an investigation far exceeds the proper scope and purpose of the petition process of the MHRL (Municipal Home Rule Law). Second, the petition fails to provide an adequate financing plan for the Commission as required by section 37 of the MHRL. Third, the petition's method of designating Commissioners conflicts with state laws relating to the election or appointment of public officers and the residency of public officers, Fourth, the petition overreaches in its attempt to confer a range of law enforcement and prosecutorial powers on the Commission.

Or, to put it more simply:

Moron the NYC CAN Ballot Initiative

It's curious that there has been no real discussion as to what happened to the NYC Ballot Initiative. Of course, there has, behind the scenes on the various email lists. But it's no real challenge to figure it out. The Troofers botched it on two levels:

1. They assumed that signatures raised in 2008 would count for the 2009 ballot. Which means what, class? That all the signatures raised in 2008 and 2009 are now invalid. Muahahahahahaha!

2. They assumed that they would get a high rate of non-rejected ballots. Apparently the idea that more than the normal number of Clark Kents and Lois Lanes would sign their ballot initiative as a gag never occurred to them.

3. Further, they paid their signature gatherers $1.00 per signature, not $1.00 per confirmed signature. Given that accurate voter registration information can be obtained, they should have been prepared for the high rejection rates.

It's just another cluster screw-up by the 9-11 Troof Movement. I was particularly amused by the sudden rush to endorse the ballot initiative by some of the "responsible" Truthers, like John Albanese, once it looked certain the initiative would make it on the ballot. He should have retained his skepticism of the idiots involved. Beclowned again, John, just like everybody who endorsed NYC-CAN.

Grifter, Gage and Asner Endorse CIT-Heads

Yeah, I know, Griffin's an idiot, and Gage is a buffoon, but Ed Asner? One of the proposed commissioners on the NYCCAN ballot initiative says this:

“Citizen Investigation Team have presented a reasoned, and methodical look at witness testimony the day the Pentagon was attacked on Sept. 11th. As stated in their presentation, National Security Alert, it behooves every citizen of conscience to question the offical story after viewing CIT's labors towards seeking the truth of what happened that day in 2001".

Richard Gage:

"The exhaustive effort by Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis of Citizen Investigation Team to contact, record, document, and analyze numerous first-hand eyewitness accounts of the actual flight path of the airliner at the Pentagon on 9/11 has been long overdue, but worth waiting for. The evidence they have uncovered and compiled in their DVD "National Security Alert" deserves serious attention - particularly in light of what we now know about the explosive destruction of the three World Trade Center high-rises that day."

David Ray Griffin:

“This new film by CIT is far more professionally produced than their previous efforts. It is also more convincing, given the addition of more witnesses, so that they now have a total of 13 witnesses reporting that the actual flight path of the plane that approached the Pentagon was drastically different from the official flight path (which would have been needed if the plane was to knock over the felled light poles and to strike the Pentagon at the designated spot and angle). This part of the film's thesis is now established beyond a reasonable doubt. The film does not establish its related claim---that the airliner pulled up and flew over the Pentagon---as clearly, but it does make a good case for it. One of the film's most valuable parts is a scene in which cab driver Lloyde England, who otherwise gamely tried to maintain the truth of his testimony supporting the official story, admitted that the Pentagon operation had been planned by powerful people with lots of money. I am pleased to be able to recommend this important film with enthusiasm."

Apparently the CIT theory is getting more popular among Troofers; as I have pointed out before CIT is supposed to make presentations at Lukefest 2009 as well as Sander Hicks' Real Accountability Confab. Jim Hoffman and his wife, Victoria Ashley have put up extensive debunkings of the flyover theory. Of course, since they're a pair of fruitcakes themselves, they indulge themselves in a little, "there are still unanswered questions about the Pentagon" whataboutery, and Ashley goes into a particularly useless digression about TWA Flight 800.

The National Review on Truthers and Birthers

The prominent conservative opinion magazine, the National Review, opines on the birther controversy, and their connection to 9/11 truthers.

Much foolishness has become attached to the question of President Obama’s place of birth, and a few misguided souls among the Right have indulged it. The myth that Barack Obama is ineligible to be president represents the hunt for a magic bullet that will make all the unpleasant complications of his election and presidency disappear. We are used to seeing conspiracy theories from the Left, for instance among the one in three Democrats who believe that 9/11 was an inside job conducted with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration. We’ve seen everything under the sun blamed on Dick Cheney and Halliburton, and Rosie O’Donnell has given us much mirth with her metallurgical expertise, while Andrew Sullivan has beclowned himself and tarnished the good name of The Atlantic with his investigation into the “real” parentage of Trig Palin. Most notable, the Iraq War summoned the craziness in a big way, and there are those who still shudder over their espressos at the mention of the Carlyle Group. And there is a fair amount of crossover between those fixated on Obama’s birth certificate and the 9/11 “truthers” — lawyer Phil Berg, for instance, is a player in both worlds. There is nothing that President Obama’s coterie would enjoy more than to see the responsible Right become a mirror image of the loopy Left circa 2003.

Of course I would be remiss in not pointing out that one the first people, if not the first, to point out what a legal crank Phil Berg is, was our very own Pat.

Excellent Analysis of the Collapses of the Towers

Go check out BasqueArch's post at JREF; this is solid analysis backed up by video and photographic evidence.

4. Since the dynamic amplification factor for a suddenly applied load is 2, an intact floor below the level of collapse initiation could not have supported more than six floors.

5.Since the number of floors above the level where the collapse initiated, exceeded 6 for both towers (12 for WTC 1 and 29 for WTC 2), neither tower could have arrested the progression of collapse once collapse initiated.

Excellent work!

Funny Conspiracy Theories

David Wong may not understand my politics ;), but he knows the conspiracy theory idiots as well as anybody:

1. The average conspiracy theorist will argue with NASA, Nobel-prize winners and every expert in the world despite having fewer qualifications than the average fry cook.
2. Conspiracy theorists view logical argument as cheating.
3. Like pissing fetishes and tentacle rape comics, conspiracy theories are a problem made much worse by the Internet.
4. Never assume malice when incompetence will do.

His hook for the post is that apparently Whoopi Goldberg expressed some support for the "Moon Truth" theory on the 40th anniversary the other day, although all those bullet points can apply to 9-11 Troof as well). Incidentally, we are getting tons of traffic from this older post of David's on the Loose Change phenomenon. It's an excellent and very funny piece.

Update: Hat Tip to Billman for pointing these two articles out in the comments.

NYC CAN'T

Well, the Troofers got the football yanked away from them again:

The voices of SEVENTY THOUSAND Americans who believe in democracy and believe that government exists to serve the people – and not the other way around – have been GAGGED by ONE so-called “PUBLIC SERVANT” – The New York City Clerk – who denied the petition and the voice of the people.

In the comments, there is some discussion that the problem was too few valid signatures; how many of those SEVENTY THOUSAND were named D. Duck or M. Mouse?

In a way, I'm disappointed in this outcome; it would have been much more amusing for the Troofers to get the initiative on the ballot, pass it, and then discover that they couldn't raise the $50 million budget.

Congressman: 25% of My Constituents Are Troofers

The Republicans are starting to have to deal with their crazies pushing the Obama "Birther" nonsense (claims that Obama was born outside the US and thus is not an American citizen). But in an article about the Birther phenomenon, the writers note that the Democrats have their own brand of nutbars:

Out-party politicians have long had to deal with conspiracy theorists on their side — the people who think that the Clintons killed Vince Foster or that the Bush administration helped orchestrate the Sept. 11 attacks.

“Twenty-five percent of my people believe the Pentagon and Rumsfeld were responsible for taking the twin towers down,” said Rep. Collin Peterson, a Democrat who represents a conservative Republican district in Minnesota. “That’s why I don’t do town meetings.”

Ouch! Can't say as I blame him. Peterson is probably exaggerating; what I suspect he really means is that 25% of the people who came to his town meetings were "Truthers".

On the Gossip Column Thing

James mentioned a few posts ago that Kevin Barrett had called this blog nothing more than a gossip column. There's an element of truth to that claim; I do think I find the personalities more interesting these days than the easily debunked claims.

There is one thing that does concern me, however. When we started this blog, we commonly used terms like nutbars and fruitcakes to describe the Troofers. But at least at first it was more used the way the political blogs might use the terms "wingnut" or "moonbat". It was a term of scorn, but not an attempt at an actual diagnosis.

But as time goes by, I'm starting to wonder. You look at people like Sean Fitzgerald and David Shayler, who have completely lost their minds. Judy Woods, Morgan Reynolds, Uncle Fetzer, Wild Bill Deagle, Kevin Barrett himself; there can't be much doubt that these folks are riding the crazy train, right?

Are we just the equivalent of somebody rattling the bars at the insane asylum, calling for the nuts to come out and entertain us?

David Ray Hearts Osama

When David Ray Griffin is not hanging out with nutjob anti-Semitic pseudo-intellectuals, he is being interviewed on one of Kevin Barrett's radio shows. But I repeat myself...

In any case he was on Barrett's show on June 27th promoting his new book arguing that Osama bin Laden is dead, and, well, Griffin seems rather taken with his dead Saudi fundamentalist. From 39 minutes in:

Beside the fact, that this picture, and you know you can't go much by a picture, but I read a lot about him, and he was known as a very remarkable young man. As a student at school, when people would say, have a bet or something where they needed people to hold money, it was always bin Laden that they would give it to, because he was the one person that everybody could trust. He was known as a very pious, honest person. And the fact that we have made him into this demon is probably a terrible thing that we have done to his memory.

Gee, the last thing I would want to do is sully the memory of Osama bin Laden.

David Ray Griffin Hosted in Sweden by Anti-Semites

This is a bit old, but I have been so busy I haven't had a chance to get around to going through all of it. Plus much of it is in Swedish as it was sent to me by a Swedish reader who was kind enough to translate parts for me, so I have been trying to figure out how to write about it effectively.

On May 11th of this year, David Ray Griffin, the retired theologian and infamous corruptor of history spoke in Stockholm, Sweden at a speech hosted by his Swedish publisher Alhambra. In fact Hesham Bahari, from Alhambra introduced him. You can find various videos of the actual speech, but it is pretty much Griffin's stock speech which he has given dozens of times already. What is more interesting is who his friends at Alhambra are.

Well, from Bahari himself:

"Judarna genom sitt enorma inflytande över USA:s inrikes- och utrikespolitik måste betecknas som den stora segraren efter Andra världskriget."

Which translates as:

"The Jews, with their enormous influence over US domestic and forign policy, must be regarded as the big winner of the second world war."

Ahh, but apparently Mr. Bahari is willing to give the Jews another chance.

"Men judarna har fortfarande en chans: att ta avstånd från Israels politik och från sionismen är räddningen."

"But the Jews still have a chance: Dissociation from the politics of Israel and Zionism is their only way out."

What he proposes for them as an option, I don't really want to know.

Lasse Wilhelmson, who is listed as one of the contacts for Griffin's speech, has some even more offensive statements here and here.

“Judefientlighet har det funnits genom historien. Men ofta är det så att det är judarna själva som genom sitt eget beteende har framkallat den.”

"There has been hostility towards Jews throughout history, But often it is the Jews who have brought on themselves through their actions."

"Historiska fakta är att den så kallade världsjudendomen förklarade krig mot Tyskland redan 1933 [...] Denna krigsförklaring innebar ju att judarna i Tyskland på goda grunder blev betraktade som presumtiva landsförrädare av Hitler.

"It is a historical fact that world Jewry declared war on Germany already in 1933 [...] This declaration of war led to the Jews being rightfully regarded by Hitler as potential traitors."

“Allting med Förintelsen är heligt. Det får inte ifrågasättas. Siffran 6 miljoner är helig. Redan på 20-talet pratade sionister på Wall Street om 6 miljoner judar som skulle dö. Siffran kommer därifrån.”

"Everything regarding the Holocaust is Holy. It must not be questioned. The number 6 million is holy. Already in the 20's Zionists on Wall Street spoke of 6 million Jews who would die. The number comes from there."

I could go on, but it is apparent what type of characters Mr. Griffin was hanging out with.

Update: Incidentally, all the credit for this work goes to Jonathan Leman, who has spent quite a bit of time researching all this. He runs a Swedish language blog, focusing mainly on the topic of anti-Semitism at http://jonathanleman.blogspot.com/.

Kevin Barrett Calls Us a "Gossip Column"

Kevin Barrett interviews journalist Jonathan Kay, who is writing a book on the truther movement, and the subject of this blog comes up. I am not offended, God knows I have called Barrett worse than that, but I found this characterization amusing. From 12 minutes in.

Kay: In terms of resources that a counter-truther would find useful. There are lots of websites. There are 2 websites, one is called 911 Myths, the other is called Screw Loose Change I think.

Barrett: Right, Screw Loose Change is just a gossip column. It has never made any attempts to present any coherent argument. It is just a gossip column.

For good measure Barrett repeats this description later in the show.

That is not at all true, I gave up covering the Brangelina story weeks ago...

Signs of Progress?

You won't see me complimenting the Troofers very often, but here's a shout-out to those who have disassociated themselves with We Are Change Melbourne for their Holocaust denial:



Check out the comments on WAC-Melbourne's YouTube page:

The murder of >5million Jews and >5million Gentiles in the Nazi death camps is very well documented - don't fall into the trap of thinking that pretending otherwise is "Trutherist".

sorry mate just unsubscribed

Dude how can you say you are part of the truth movement and go under the name of WeAreChange when you don't even believe the holocaust happened. You're giving WeAreChange a bad image because of a ridiculous believe you hold. There's tons of evidence proving it happened and lets see evidence proving it didn't happen... Please wise up and be a bit more responsible.

Why do you deny the holocaust? That is insane... I have visited Auschwitz concentration camp myself and seen the furnaces & accommodation they had along with the miles of electrocuted fences. Stop claiming the holocaust didn't happen you are just hurting the truth movement.

You're also a Holocaust denier? (watch?v=wR6wyEnhnTQ) You are the worst form of humanity, denying that the genocide of millions of Semitic people actually occurred. How disgusting.

I 100% agree with @MrBritDestruct (I unsubscribed, unfriend AND blocked ... not wasting my time)

Friendship removed.

You give the truth movement a bad name, you holocaust-denying scum. You are not a real truther, and anyone else who really cares about justice will stop associating with this hypocritical individual/group.

Yes, there are some supportive comments as well, but apparently the Alex Jones Channel on YouTube has blocked WAC-Melbourne (see the message to Dave video at the top of that page).

Of course, this being Alex Jones, you knew there had to be a "but" in there. Here's Alex from yesterday's show interviewing the Reverend Ted Pike, an anti-Semitic nutjob:

Steve Alten's Other Theory

You may remember this guy for his novel, The Shell Game, which the Troofers pushed during the infamous "Week of Truth" last year. Turns out Alten (who's appearing at Sander Hicks' 9-11 Festival) has another interesting theory:

In March of 2005, two University students from the mid-western U.S. traveled to the United Kingdom on Spring Break. On their last day at Loch Ness, they
hired a local to take them around by boat, where they discovered a half-eaten
deer carcass...and the 4-inch barbed palate tooth of the water predator that had
attacked and ravaged the deer! Their discovery flies in the face of the
legendary creature the Scottish Highlanders have proclaimed to be a plesiosaur, and
confirms the theories generated by author Steve Alten's amazing new thriller,
The LOCH!

Most Offensive 9/11 Humor Ever

I had always thought that Thierry Meyssan was France's stupidest troofer, but that honor now belongs to "comedian" Jean-Marie Bigard. Content warning, some of the humor is pretty offensive, and not just morally. Unbelievably these people seem to think that this sort of thing helps them.

Bigard 11 Septembre : Monsieur Silverstein
by JeanMarieBigard

It's Official; Two Separate Troofer Fests in NY for 9-11

But they do kind of feature similar lineups. Sander Hicks' We Demand Transparency confab has Sunjata, Gage and Bermas; so does Luke's Real Change snoozer. The difference is that Hicks' event also has Steve Alten, Daniel Hopsicker, the CIT boys, Barrie Zwicker, Kevin Barrett and Mike Berger. The We Are Change crew are highlighting a few first responders; you know things are tough for Luke and company when they feature Manny Badillo as one of their headliners. The Chip-In Widget over there is now up to $110 with about three weeks to go.

Fitzgerald To Plead Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

Apparently the Trooferism defense was accepted by the prosecutor:

During a brief hearing today in 4th Judicial District Court, prosecutors said their expert agreed with an evaluation done on the 37-year-old man by doctors at the Colorado State Hospital in Pueblo.

As a result, the District Attorney’s Office will offer no evidence to the contrary during a one-day non-jury trial on Sept. 17 on the issue of whether Fitzgerald is not guilty by reason of insanity.

I assume he will be committed to a mental institution for a very long time. This does bug me a bit:

The killing occurred a few weeks after the defendant had suffered a head injury when he was hit by a truck while bicycling in Thailand.

The day before the slaying, his parents took Fitzgerald to a neurosurgeon, reporting that their son had expressed suicidal and paranoid thoughts.

The indication there is that he had a head injury and then he became a nut. In fact, he was a nut all along. The whole reason he had the bicycle accident was because he was paranoid that people were following him and so he rode his bike the wrong way down a major highway in Thailand.

Shorter Graeme MacQueen

"They didn't tell me where they got the three seconds, so I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist."

Longer version is that MacQueen (whose scholarly credentials are in the field of Religious Studies) is claiming that the seismic spike from the collapse of the South Tower occurred at 9:59:04 AM. The collapse began at 9:58:59 and the seismic spike is generally attributed to the building hitting the ground. But since the building didn't start impacting the ground until 9 seconds after the onset of collapse, the seismic spike couldn't have been caused by the building hitting the ground. The seismic monitoring station, Lamont-Doherty later adjusted their time of the seismic spike to 9:59:07, or eight seconds after the onset of collapse, which puts it accurate to within one second.

Here's the crux of MacQueen's paper:



And after that, he goes into hilarious detail as he tries to determine the collapse initiation time and the moment of impact. It just goes on and on forever, with MacQueen claiming precision in his analysis of video footage to within 1/1000th of a second despite the obvious fact that he's doing it by the seat of his pants:



Yes, let's suppose it took half a second, then that puts the precise time at 9:59:11.505. Not 9:59:11.504 or 9:59:11.506. It's completely inane, the sort of false precision that any real peer-review by a scientist would have corrected.

But let's grant MacQueen's timing and his precision; it still doesn't mean anything. Whether the collapse began at 9:58:59 or 9:59:00 and the seismic spike was recorded at 9:59:04 or 9:59:07, the basic fact remains that the seismic spike occurred after the building had already started to collapse. Unless MacQueen is going to claim that the building started to collapse and then they blew it up, his point is meaningless.

The CIT Faithful

Continue to do battle with the Truth Action folks. What I am constantly amazed at is the ability for Stefan, the CIT groupie, to rationalize the flyover theory. Consider this:

The first thing I’d like to address is this notion that witnesses are more likely to get the flight path of the plane wrong than whether the plane hit the building.

It does not sound very likely to me, and I’m sure to a lot of people. The part of the experience from seeing the plane until the impact was in some cases 10-15 seconds. The point of “impact” was an instance. When virtually their entire eye witness experience involved watching a plane fly through the air, and just a split second of it involved a frightening and traumatic instant, I personally have no qualms whatsoever with saying the complete opposite is the case.

No, of course he has no qualms about that; without that leap of faith the CIT scenario crashes and burns.

Arcterus said the North side approach is wrong, meaning he agrees that all the witnesses were wrong about a simple left right judgement, and that they were all wrong in such a way as to corroborate each other, and that they were all so stupid they rejected the correct flight path even when prompted with it.

Again, the supposed "fact" that all the witnesses agreed about the North Side approach and "corroborate" each other is actually a strong indication that CIT is not showing all their witnesses. Just on the basis of the odds, one or two of the witnesses should have gotten it "wrong"; the fact that they did not is a strong indication that CIT is playing games with their witnesses.

1) Logically, there is no damage to the Pentagon that could be ascribed to a Boeing hitting from the NoC flight path. I know you have said there is, but come on mate, please. I realise that the notion that a plane from the SoC path could just could in a million to one shot cause that damage, is acceptable. It is not what you would expect and we all know that.

Is he seriously claiming that there's only a one-in-a-million chance that a SoC approach would cause that damage? Or is he suggesting that there's only a 1,000,000-1 chance that it was an SoC approach?

2) There is no conceivable logical reason for faking one set of flight path damage, planting light poles and so on and then driving the plane into the Pentagon anyway.

He's right, you know. If we assume that the light pole evidence was faked, then it makes no sense to fly the plane into the Pentagon. And how does he know that the light pole evidence was faked? Because the plane didn't fly into the Pentagon. It's circular logic.

I also love that he claims to be just arguing this "evidence", but throws around ad hominems like frisbees:

Arabesque is rapidly becoming a comedy show.

Mistakenly thinking Arabesque was more honest than in fact he was....

Creationists, Moon Hoaxers and Truthers

All come in for a little debunking here:

As a point of contrast, I asked my friendly emailer to respond to the many counter-points that now exist. My correspondent flatly refused to oblige. Then I ask him if he would address a few other points of interest behind the making of the Loose Change video...

Twenty seconds later, I get this reply (mispellings and all): “You are blind, or wosre you are a zionist shill go to hell.”

I told him I'd need to see some evidence for Hell. He didn't respond.

Zeitgeist Debunked--WTC 7 Section

Great job by JREF forum member EDX!

Ron Paul: Too Busy for the Troof

As our longtime buddy Sword of Truth pointed out at JREF, this answer should satisfy nobody.

David Shayler In Drag

Just when you thought the son of God couldn't get any nuttier:

Today the 43-year-old has become a squatter - and yesterday showed off his 'alter ego' as he dressed as a transvestite complete with false breasts, mini-skirt and ginger wig.

In recent weeks friends and family of the former spy believe he has suffered a 'severe breakdown' after first calling himself 'The Messiah' and moving into an empty farmhouse in the Surrey countryside.

Good Lord. Remember, this is the guy who got more face time in Terrorstorm than Alex Jones.

Hat Tip: Dancing Cows (in the comments).

Loose Change the 97th Cut

The latest trailer:



I like that Microcinema's logo is an empty chair; how appropriate is that? I'm not sure if the narrator in this particular segment is Sunjata; if it is, wow, they should go back to Dylan, because that is the least dramatic voice I've heard on any of these nutbar videos.

Note the accelerated video of the collapse of the North Tower; he does that twice so I assume it's intentional. There are some indications we'll get new stuff in the video; Steven Jones' red and gray chips look likely to get a workout. But so do squibs and the BS about how we need video of Atta getting on the plane.

And I still don't get the 9-22 release date; am I the only person baffled by that decision? Maybe the problem is that they know if it's released before 9-11 it will get extensively duped and so the Avery Foundation won't be able to pursue its charitable mission? So they're hoping to hook the suckers in after the 9-11-09 Festivities?

Little Bits

A bridge collapses in Detroit due to a gas fire; must be an attempt to cover up 9-11! Hat Tip: Commenter Dave Kyte.

A plane crashes and yet passports survive! How convenient for the official story. And note the posed piece of aircraft wreckage; are we supposed to believe that's actually part of a Tupolev? I have it on authority from my friends at the NSA that's a modified attack baboon engine.

Hat tip: Longtime commenter BJE at JREF.

I haven't posted this in awhile, but it always makes me happy (profanity, NSFW):

Russia Today Still Pimpin for the Troofers

The propaganda TV channel Russia Today continues to push the troofer's conspiracy theories, in this case Richard Gage's appearance in Washington DC.




For an example of their stellar journalism, check out their reporting on how the Iranian election protests were engineered by the CIA.

The Deagle Has Landed

Well, well, look whom Luke Rudkowski is inviting to the 9-11-9 festivities in New York City. None other than Bill "Modified Attack Babboons" Deagle.

Deagle may be best known as the guy who thinks nukes brought down the WTC, but he also claims to have heard about the plot beforehand:

As they lingered over lunch at "a private table for speakers, a sufficient distance from others," an FBI official—"sensing that I was one of the boys, having worked on these sensitive government simulations"—leaned closer to Deagle and confided, "There is, according to our war game simulations and current intelligence, a 95 percent likelihood of a major devastating attack on a city in the northeast within 24 months. It will kill from between 50,000 to 500,000 individuals, and bring about immediate institution of martial law in America and a national implantable ID."

Stunned, Deagle pressed him to repeat the claim, which he did—twice more—and for details about what he really knew. The FBI man talked blandly about the likelihood of an anthrax release, the detonation of a dirty nuclear bomb, even the use of airplanes as weapons. As he talked he became even more specific. The city would be New York. And the chance of it happening was not, as he'd initially suggested, 95 percent—it was 100 percent.

The more the FBI man talked the more Deagle began to realize what he really meant. Finally, the veins in his neck popping in anger and frustration, the words finally spilled out of his mouth. "You are either going to let this happen—or cause it, aren't you!" Deagle almost shouted.

Note in particular that the initial details provided by Deagle's "informant" proved wrong; 9-11 did not kill 50,000 to 500,000 people and did not result in immediate imposition of martial law or a nationwide implantable ID.

And on the scale of crazy, Deagle's story is off the charts, but that's not even close to being the nuttiest thing he's ever said. Not by a wide margin:

Coincidentally, Deagle says he also treated a government worker who'd become ill while working inside massive, city-sized government tunnels and underground facilities in Colorado and Mexico. According to Deagle, there are more than 4,000 of these clandestine underground cities worldwide, including in and around 132 US cities. His patient, he says, "told me about things going on there, literally involving people from out of this world."

BTW, Deagle first came to prominence apparently as the doctor of one of the kids shot at Columbine:

Mark and his mother—and, perhaps strangely, their doctor—soon became fixtures at public events where Mark talked about what had happened to him, his mother Donna offered her motherly perspective and Bill Deagle showed slides of the boy's X-rays and talked about his miraculous recovery. There were plans for a national tour to "promote Christian values," and Mark and his doctor began collaborating on a book so Mark could "get my story out. People are looking for hope."

The book never did get written. Taylor's mother would later break off relations with Deagle, complaining "he tried to control me and my son. It got deeper and deeper. It was insane," says Donna Taylor. She began to believe Deagle was "nuts."

I concur with that diagnosis, Mrs Taylor!

BTW, there's some discussion at TruthMove as to whether this indicates that Luke is going to have separate festivities from the supposed "Real Change and Transparency Conference". I don't know the answer to that, but I can see why he might have since decided to combine forces with Les Jamieson; check out the "Chip-In Widget" on that page; with less than 2 months to go they've raised $55.

Back to the Big Tent? Blogger Allows Pro-CIT Post

I wish Reprehensor would make up his little mind.

Citizen Investigation Team offers this compilation of independent verifiable evidence exposing the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon as a psychological black operation of deception. Consider this a non-violent call to action as everyone is encouraged to copy and distribute this conclusive evidence to media, political, and authority figures while first requesting, and then demanding a response. Inaction by authorities and media to this information amounts to a crime of obstruction of justice so it's time they are held accountable.

Weren't the CIT boys and their fans banned from 9-11 Blogger? What was the reasoning behind that explained by Reprehensor at the time? Oh, yeah, one of the biggest CIT-groupies, Domenic DiMaggio had this to say about Rep:

"Your support of government agent John Farmer and toilet scrubber Adam Larson and some obsessed clown named Arabesque exposes you for the gatekeeper you are Reprehensor. Let me guess you're just another anonymous clown in the gatekeeping world. Perhaps one of Randi's kids from the JREF Forum posing as a truther."

I'm trying to cooperate with the supposedly sensible "Truthers" by not highlighting the CIT nuttery, but I guess this stuff is now back up there with that peer-reviewed paper in terms of evidence of inside jobby job. Of course, maybe Rep's just bowing to reality here; Aldo and Craig have been invited to make their presentation at the WAC/Jamieson summit this anniversary, and who's missing? Where's Steven Earl Jones? Where's Kevin Ryan? Where's Neils Harrit? After hearing all year that this peer-reviewed paper is going to end up convicting every member of Congress on the charge of misprision of treason, suddenly "the evidence" that they've been presenting with great flourish to various leaders is not even going to be discussed; instead we're getting the Pentagon Flyover theory and Daniel Hopsicker's long-debunked claims about Amanda Keller.

Of course, what's the real problem here? After three years of following these people I should realize that they are not going to do the sensible thing. Thermite, as nutty as it is, is so 2006. Pentagon Flyover is new, it's exciting, it's groovy, at least to those who don't remember Dick Eastman. It almost seems time to hear about P-Tech all over again.

Who Is Gregory Louis Hoover?

The answer is that he's one of the newest Troofer heroes, the plaintiff in Hoover vs Beck, the Troofer lawsuit (still not filed) against Glenn Beck for defaming the 9-11 Troofers by associating them with the Holocaust Museum shooter, James von Brunn. Here he is on with Alex Jones talking about the lawsuit:



He's got a website where Troofers can contribute money to help out with the lawsuit:

Your donations through Visa, MasterCard, American Express & Discover will support this legal challenge - without which, "they" win.

To donate, simply click on the following address:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=6166722


Checks and cash donations may be made payable to:

Gregory Hoover
125 East Merritt Island, Cswy.,
Suite 209-303,
Merritt Island, Florida 32952.

Here's a photo of our aspiring litigant:



And here are two more photos:



Taken from here.

Charges: fraud, grand theft, MISREPRESENT SELF AS QUALIFIED TO PRACTICE.

And this does not appear to be the first time Mr Hoover has been taken into custody:

8:50 a.m. April 29. Arrested: Gregory Louis Hoover, 46, of XXX Mcleod St., Merritt Island. Charge: failure to appear/felony.

Obviously arrests are not convictions, but he's got several of those as well. Note Mr Hoover's incarceration history:

He served 2 years for robbery without a gun from 1981-1983, then nine years for another robbery without a gun (apparently concurrent with another robbery sentence in another county), then another year and a half on cocaine possession charges. So out of the last 28 years, he's spent 12+ years in prison. I don't have any information on the most recent arrests but if convicted I imagine he will be adding to that total substantially.

Big tip of the hat to JREF Forum member Sleahead. Great find!

Update: You can also check his misdemeanor record here by entering Gregory Hoover. He's been a busy boy. He's even got the classic "Timothy McVeigh" charge:

ATTACHING LICENSE TAG PLATE NOT ASSIGNED

And this is the guy who thinks he's been maligned by being compared to James von Brunn?

Hat tip on the misdemeanor record to JREF forum member Triforcharity.

Holocaust Denier and 9-11 "Truther" Meyercord Crushed in Election

Wow, for a write-in candidate to get something like 50X the vote of somebody on the ballot is amazing.

Ken Meyercord, who had been running unopposed for an at-large seat on the Reston Citizens Association's 13-member volunteer board, received only 23 votes after his provocative views on Jews created a backlash.

Colin Mills, the write-in candidate for the at-large position on the board, received 1,157 votes, according to Mike Corrigan, the civic association's former president and a member of the election committee.

Kudos to Colin Mills and the other people behind the write-in campaign; they have done their good deed for the day.

"It's a fabulous result," said Debra Steppel, the former Reston Citizens Association board member behind the write-in campaign. "I'm very, very pleased."

Thumbs up, Debra!

A Lesbian Comes Out of the Closet

How will her family cope with the shame and humiliation? No, not about her sexual orientation, about her Trooferism:

Okay, I’ve danced around it long enough while covering Cynthia McKinney. The reason I think a lot of people have a problem with her, is exactly one of the reasons she is such a hero to me.

You make heroes out of anti-Semitic crackpots?

So she starts out with the Press for Truth crap, but it isn't long before we get to Richard Gage's gaggle and Building 7.

Building 7 is usually the part that people have the most questions about. Some people still don’t even know about it yet, and that is found in polls to be a deciding factor on whether or not people feel an investigation is necessary.

If it's Building 7 you want to know about, I recommend the oral testimonies. As I have said in the past, if you believe Building 7 was a controlled demolition, then you believe these people are all lying:

Firefighter Edward Kennedy:

"But this is as the day was going on and, of course, there were so many transmissions going over. I remember him screaming about 7, No. 7, that they wanted everybody away from 7 because 7 was definitely going to collapse...."

Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler:

"Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."

Firefighter George Holzman:

"We stayed there for quite sometime when I don't even know who, I think it was someone, Lieutenant Lowney spoke to, asked us to leave the area, they were concerned about 7 World Trade Center collapsing."

Firefighter Kevin Howe:

"At that time there was a lot of fire going on. I think it was the Customs House was roaring. The 7 World Trade Center was roaring."

Captain Robert Sohmer:

"As the day went on they started worrying about 7 World Trade Center collapsing and they ordered an evacuation from that area..."

Assistant Chief Harold Meyers:

"Chief Nigro directed me to continue monitoring conditions at the site. Specifically to monitor number 7 World Trade Center. We were very concerned with the collapse potential there, and to do whatever I could do to ensure site safety in that no additional people became injured."

Firefighter Fred Marsilla:

At this point, 7, which is right there on Vesey, the whole corner of the building was missing. I was thinking to myself we are in a bad place, because it was the corner facing us. But you do what you got to do as usual. We operated till they finally started pulling people back.

Firefighter Adrienne Walsh:

Then we were instructed to search through two or three buildings to make sure they were stable, and then they pulled everybody out because of the pink building. Was it 7 World Trade, that was going?
Q. Right.
A. Then they pulled everybody out.

Firefighter Kevin Quinn:

Then approximately I guess maybe two hours before number 7 came down, we went into Ground Zero and helped dig around and was there when they located Chief Feehan and one of the Chiefs pulled us all out because they said 7 was going to come down.

Captain Anthony Varriale:

At that time, other firefighters started showing up, Deputy Battalion Chief Paul Ferran of the 41 Battalion, and James Savastano of the First Division assigned to the Second Battalion showed up and we attempted to search and extinguish, at the time which was small pockets of fire in 7 World Trade Center. We were unaware of the damage in the front of 7, because we were entering from the northeast entrance. We weren't aware of the magnitude of the damage in the front of the building. We made searches. We attempted to put some of the fire out, but we had a pressure problem. I forget the name of the Deputy. Some Deputy arrived at the scene and thought that the building was too dangerous to continue with operations, so we evacuated number 7 World Trade Center.

Firefighter Vandon Williams:

It could have been an hour, hour and a half we were doing that before we were ordered to move away from that part of Tower No. 1 because there was an imminent danger of collapse of World Trade Center No. 5 and 7.

Firefighter Eugene Kelty, Jr.:

And 7 World Trade was burning up at the time. We could see it. There was concern. I had gone up to take a look at it, because I knew that the telephone company building, which is 140 West Street, was next to 7 World Trade Center, and there was a concern that if 7 World Trade came down, what would happen to this building?

Firefighter Richard Banaciski:

They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about.

Chief Frank Cruthers:

Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area ?
Q. A collapse zone?
A. Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it.

I need a real investigation of 9/11. Some people will scream at me for even suggesting it, I don’t care. I need to know why those buildings came down the way they did, into dust that is embedded into hundreds of forgotten rescue workers, and thousands more survivors. I need to know because the story we’ve been given doesn’t add up, and because that story has become the basis of so much American policy that directly effects all of our lives. If there was ever an event that deserved an independent, and thorough investigation, isn’t it 9/11?

We had a real investigation of 9/11. It was called PENTTBOM; it was the largest investigations ever undertaken by the FBI; at one point over half the bureau was involved in the investigation. Why did those buildings come down the way they did? NIST has devoted thousands of man-hours studying that exact question; I suspect that the writer has not read even the FAQ. NIST has also released their final report on WTC 7.

In the end, what has being a lesbian got to do with any of this stuff? Nothing, it's just a hook for her to post this on a lesbian-oriented site with (apparently) quite a bit of traffic.

9-11-09 Festivities

Continue to cause waves in the Troof community. Somebody noticed that now that Les and Luke are cooperating, We Are Change took down their post from February 2007, accusing Les of appropriating the money from the NYC 9-11 Truth accounts.

Les Jamieson has confiscated all funds related to NY911Truth. Les Jamison routed all donations totaling over $5,800 to his private bank account, confiscated DVD duplicators, estimated at about $1,000 and the film projector ,estimated $1,000 which was bought with donations.

There are two possibilities here. Either Luke took down the post as a show of unity with Les, or he took down the post because it's getting a little embarrassing now that Luke himself is being accused of financial irregularities.

Meanwhile, check out some of the entertainment:

On August 5, 2006, Supernatural attempted to set a new world record for the longest freestyle whilst hosting the Rock The Bells festival in San Bernardino, CA. Supernatural freestyled for over nine hours, breaking the original record of 8 hours 45 minutes set by D.O. of Canada, but not the 10 hours 34 minutes set by British emcee Ruffstylz in October 2003. The Current World Record is 16 Hours, set by Brooklyn DJ and lyricist/activist DJ Green Arrow. It should be noted that D.O. still holds the official record according to Guinness, not Supernat or Ruffstylz or DJ Green Arrow. DJ Green Arrow has pledged to officially break the Guinness Record, Sept. 12-13 at an event in NYC called the Real Change and Transparency conference. DJ Green Arrow has been training to rap for 48 Hours, thus quintupling the official record still held by D.O. and tripling his own record. DJ Green Arrow also is training to be able to break his world record every year, with money to benefit activist movements.

Yep, if you attend you could see the longest ever freestyle rap.

9-11 was an inside job
Orchestrated by the Cheney mob
and underwritten by a man named Bob
Who was quite a slob.

The towers came down in controlled demolition
Richard Gage demonstrates with boxes in position
He needs money so send it on condition
That he drops those boxes just like a magician!

Not Technically Our Bailiwick

But oh, is this entertaining:



Probably one of those guys who thinks that if his name is spelled in capital letters the indictment is invalid. Note that the moron near the very end (about 7:47) is wearing the "Truther" blackshirt, so apparently this was an 11th of the month action by the British contingent of the WAC-jobs.

BBC Conspiracy Files Takes on 7/7 Troofers

Been looking for this one for the last week or so. They did a bang-up job on WTC-7, and I am confident they've done the same here, although I'll admit I'm just watching it now. Based on past episodes, expect the first half of the show to present fairly and in a reasonably attractive light the conspiracy theories. The second half is generally where the solid debunking will be found.

Part II etc., can be found here.

Update: Terrific! As predicted, about halfway through the segment you'll be saying that they have been far too generous to the 7/7 Troofers. And then in the second half they come through with a scythe and cut them off at the knees. Just awesome!

My only criticism? I do wish they'd been a bit more definitive on the Peter Power segment. If, as they say, Power really only was close on two of the three locations, why not show us the one that he got wrong, and where it was on the London Tube map compared to the actual location of the third subway bomb?

I was thrilled to see Rachel North featured prominently in the show; she is truly a survivor. They do make an interesting point towards the end; that Britain is much more susceptible to 7/7 Trooferism, and that it is simultaneously more dangerous, because there is a large Muslim minority in the UK and unlike US Muslims, they have not been generally integrated into society.

Scratch A Troofer....

Actually that one's getting a little old. At any rate, a candidate running for what appears to be the equivalent of a town councilman, has attracted attention for his unconventional views on the Holocaust:

Ken Meyercord has an Ivy League education, a high-tech job at Freddie Mac, a local public-access cable television show on international affairs and a long history of writing about what he says are "myths" of the Holocaust, including a piece called "(Holo-) History is Bunk."

"Survivor accounts of the cremation process gives new meaning to the word 'tragicomic,' " he wrote in the article. "To hear eyewitnesses tell it, it took little more than a match for the corpses to spontaneously combust."

Matches, haha. Meyercord posts online information about upcoming episodes. Like these, from February:

In Montgomery County, Maryland on MCT (cable channel 21) at 11:30 AM on Wednesdays. The episodes for February are:

2/4 Land of the Settlers - "Mr. Israeli TV" takes a look at the settler movement
2/11 Empire in the Andes – American involvement in the civil war in Colombia
2/18 9/11 Revisited – a physics professor’s skeptical look at the official story
2/25 Venezuela Rising – the referendum to recall President Hugo Chavez

Hmmm, 9-11 Revisited, a physics professor... that wouldn't happen to be Professor Steven Earl Jones, would it? Yep.

Meyercord has broadcast David Ray Grifter:

David Ray Griffin on 9/11 (USA, 2006) – a theologian suffers doubts on the 9/11 story dogma
5/08 - 3:30 PM; 10/07 - 6 PM; 10/12 - noon; 10/15 - 10 PM; 10/19 - 1 PM; 10/26 - 4 PM

He's also an aspiring song parodist; check out these lyrics to America, the Doodyful:

Oh, Doody-full for inept spies,
For Ashcroft and the rest,
For purple prose and lies oft told
'Bout phantom terrorists.

He's also got the usual politics of a crank; he's interested these meetup groups:

Badminton, Ron Paul Campaigns, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader

Paul, Kucinich and Nader, the trifecta.

One oddity; note this statement in the Washington Post piece:

Meyercord, 65, said he and his wife, Samira, 64, have lived in Reston since 1977. Their two children attended Reston schools. His candidate biography online notes that he has coached soccer, baseball and basketball, and served as a board member and treasurer of the Northgate Square Cluster Association in the 1980s. He founded the Reston Badminton Club this year.

But as I was googling his name, I kept hitting up against a guy named Ken Meyercord who lived in Pleasant Hill, California in the early 2000s. For example in this Amazon review. The book that the Pleasant Hill Meyercord is reviewing is called Beyond Growth: The Economics of Sustainable Development. At his Amazon page, Meyercord says:

Hi! My name is Ken Meyercord. I am the founder of Zero Growth, an organization dedicated to promoting the ethos of zero growth.

The Reston Meyercord has a page on OpEd News, which notes:

Ken Meyercord is the author of "The Ethic of Zero Growth: a New Ethos for the New Millennium". He lives in the Washington, DC area.

And yes, we can see this is the same guy by looking at his posts over there:

Thursday, May 28, 2009
(Holo-)History Is Bunk
(4 comments) An introduction to the taboo topic of holocaust revisionism, aka denial, concluding with a rationale and a plea for open debate on the subject.

However, OpEd News did not listen to his plea and that article was deleted. So it certainly appears that the Pleasant Hill, California Ken Meyercord and the Reston, Virginia Ken Meyercord are one and the same, and he's lying about his continuous residency in Reston.

Hat tip: Consdemo (in the comments).

Quick Quiz

Which of these two gentlemen was convicted and sentenced to 30 years in prison for conspiring to kill federal agents?



Answer here.

Troofers Get a Raging Jew Clue

The Hardley Boys are hard at work on the latest Jew Clue.

The article is a recitation of the usual Troofer talking points about what a terrible pilot Hani Hanjour was. As usual Gaffney mentions Freeway Airport:

During three such flights over two days in a single-engine Cessna 172, instructors Sheri Baxter and Ben Conner observed what others had before them. Hanjour had trouble controlling and landing the aircraft. Afterward, Baxter interviewed Hanjour extensively about his flight training and experience, and also reviewed his flight log, which documented 600 hours of flight time. On this basis she and Conner declined to approve a current license rating until Hanjour returned for more training. On their recommendation, Freeway’s chief instructor Marcel Bernard refused to rent Hanjour a plane.

The Troofers always highlight that Bernard refused to rent Hanjour a plane. But if he was such a terrible pilot, why would they give him three test flights? Wouldn't one have been sufficient? The only reason for the additional test flights is obviously because Hanjour was a borderline candidate, an average to below average pilot, as Bernard put it in Loose Change I and II.

Ah, but the intrepid Gaffney has more for us:

It turns out that just three days after Hani Hanjour failed a flight evaluation in a Cessna 172 at Freeway airport he showed up at Congressional Air Charters, located down the road at Gaithersburg airport, also in the Washington suburbs. Once again Hanjour attempted to rent a plane, and again he was asked to go up with an instructor for a flight evaluation to confirm his flight skills. The plane was the same: a Cessna 172. Yet, on this occasion Hanjour passed with flying colors and, later, this other instructor gave testimony to the commission that turned out to be crucial. The final report mentions the instructor’s name only once in a brief endnote buried at the back of the report. The note states:

Hanjour successfully conducted a challenging certification flight supervised by an instructor at Congressional Air Charter of Gaithersburg, Maryland, landing at a small airport with a difficult approach. The instructor thought Hanjour may have had training from a military pilot because he used a terrain recognition system for navigation. Eddie Shalev interview. (Apr. 9, 2004)[24]

And Eddie Shalev is... dun dun duh! A Jew!

But the shocker is the revelation that Eddie Shalev is an Israeli and served in the Israeli army. The file states that “Mr. Shalev served in the Israeli Defense Forces in a paratroop regiment. He was a jumpmaster on a Boeing C-130. Mr. Shalev moved to the Gaithersburg area in April 2001 and was sponsored for employment by Congressional Air Charters...[which] has subsequently gone out of business.”

The memorandum raises disturbing questions. Consider the staffer’s strange choice of words in describing Shalev’s employment. What did Quinn John Tamm mean when he wrote that Shalev “was sponsored for employment”? Did the commission bother to investigate Congressional Air Charters? It is curious that the charter service subsequently went out of business. But the most important question is: just how thoroughly, if at all, did the commission vet Eddie Shalev? Does his military record include service in the Israeli intelligence community?

Of course, the commission should have dropped its investigation into 9-11 and investigated this Israeli. Seriously, the Troofers have become so invested in their theories that anything that tends to undermine them, like the rental of the plane by Congressional Air Charters (which amazingly, Hani did not crash) is the real crime.

Oh, and get this detail:

Real people have known addresses. But the whereabouts of Eddie Shalev has been unknown for years. As reported by David Griffin, a 2007 search of the national telephone directory, plus Google searches by research librarian Elizabeth Woodworth, turned up no trace of him. A LexisNexis search by Matthew Everett also came up dry.[35] Recent searches by Woodworth and myself indicate that an "Eddy Shalev" resided in Rockville, Maryland as recently as 2007. However, the associated phone number is no longer in service.

Um, is it unkind to point out that if the recent search turned up Shalev in 2007, then that 2007 search of the national telephone directory must have been done poorly.

You know what this reminds me of? The idiotic fascination the Troofers have with the Harley guy, the man on the street who said on 9-11 that the towers collapsed because of fire. Never mind NIST, this is the person who implanted the idea that somehow it was not so surprising that the towers collapsed.

British 7/7 Troofers Have An Adventure

Holocaust Denier and 9/11 and 7/7 Fruitcake Nick Kollerstrom and a prominent 7/7 "researcher" were planning on giving a talk in London. But some debunkers got wind of the meeting and let the hall where the talk was to take place know about some of Kollerstrom's theories and the kooks were uninvited.

With reptilian cunning Obachike has determined the scores of phone calls that Conway Hall received complaining about the event was actually a secret operation to prevent the truth of what happened on July 7th being spread to the eleven people who planned to attend. This was further proved after the MOD infiltrated the left wing book shop Housmans who shocked everyone by also refusing to host a holocaust denier.

Note: MOD means Ministry of Defense

So they adjourned to a pub nearby where Kollerstrom and Obachike gave their spiel. Here's how a fellow troofer described it:

Everyone having paid £5 he led us around Holborn for a while, getting lost once before stopping at a closed down Thai restaurant which Daniel told the "crowd" (12-15 people including 4 of us by my count) the security services must have had shut down to stop his vital info getting out there. Locals said it had been closed for at least a week though.

Then he proceeded to take us to a loud bar on Kingsway which the manager told us was free to reserve an area in. So essentially he charged everyone a £5 (and no doubt had a refund from Conway Hall as well) to sit in a pub.

Basically, this is about control of the UK "Truth" Movement, which actually makes the US movement look sane by comparison. Remember, David Shayler was originally the face of the Troof in Britain, until he smoked so much weed that he thought he was the son of god. Now Kollerstrom is probably the most famous Troofer over there, and Tony Gosling, who runs the UK Truth forum, is supporting him despite the fact that Kollerstrom seems even more deranged than Shayler.

Stefan (the Troofer who wrote about the event) is apparently a We Are Change London member. Obachike claims that We Are Change is a Ministry of Defense cointelpro plot.

The funny thing is that Stefan comes off as the sane one on that board. Kollerstrom (posts as Astro3 over there) is clearly unbalanced, and Obachike (Chi_of_Life) sounds like a bit of a thug.

And that's funny because over at the Truth Action forums there's a long thread going on about the CIT-heads again. And guess who's sticking up for the Pentacon? Yep, it's Stefan again. (Note: the thread starts off being about Kirk Sonnenfeld, the FEMA videographer, but eventually everybody agrees that's a dry hole, and the conversation turns around to Aldo and Craig).

And there Stefan comes off as the lunatic. Apparently CIT now claim to have 13 eyewitnesses who all corroborate the north of Citgo approach. Now this alone is very suspicious. CIT loves to do the old "What are the odds that they're all wrong?" But I would like to switch that around on them. What are the odds they're all "right"?

For the sake of argument, let's suppose that the north of Citgo claim is correct. We know that eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable, but let's say that 70% of the eyewitnesses should remember things correctly and 30% would get details wrong. Based on those probabilities, what are the odds that 13 out of 13 eyewitnesses would validate the NOC approach?

Less than 1% (0.97% to be precise). Yep, the CIT-heads love to claim that because their witnesses all corroborate each other it strengthens their theory; in fact it reveals that there are almost certainly witnesses that did not back up the NOC approach that CIT has chosen to ignore. And over at JREF, some of the posters show that actually some of the 13 do not back up the NOC approach, so CIT apparently got their uniformity by lying about it.

Troofer Busted in Columbus (WI) 4th Parade

This is almost too sad. A 9-11 Troofer snuck his car (decorated with Inside Job and Infowars slogans) into the Columbus (Wisconsin) 4th of July Parade. The car had a loudspeaker blaring Alex Jones exhorting everybody to turn into the Incredible Hulk and rise up against the New World Order. The guy apparently made it through the end of the parade, but at that point things got ugly. Folks started yelling at the man and ripping the signs off his car, and he apparently hit a few of them with the car as he escaped. He's charged with 2nd degree reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct.

So I'm thinking typical clown troofer, right? Well, it turns out that the reality is quite a bit sadder than that. He has autism.

Because of his autism, ******* suffers from memory problems, cannot work and has no friends outside his family, his parents said.

He spends most of his time on the Internet, where he had gotten the messages, Judy ****** said.

It's tempting to laugh and say that aside from the autism, he sounds like a typical Troofer. But this is a sad story for his parents, and you know who's really to blame? Yep, old leatherlungs Alex himself has ruined yet another life.

I've blanked out the last name of the family in the post; I don't need to add to their woes.

Troofers Take It to DC

As a general principle, I suspect House and Senate staffers tune out the minute somebody says they have evidence of treason. Not because it's not a serious crime, but it's definitely one where the accusations far outnumber the actual convictions. And when the accusations are delivered by people who definitely look crazy, like Jeremy....

Kudos to Barney Frank, who has no time for this nonsense, and says, "Anything can get published." Frank is famously abrupt with people he considers idiots, and I think the goofballs were lucky that the elevator door was closing when they started in with the "Misprision of Treason" crap.

Check out the letter they included with the "peer-reviewed" paper:

Dear Honorable Congress Person,

We the People, in order to restore rule of law and accountability to our Republic, respectfully insist that you, as an elected representative, squarely face the facts concerning the events of September 11, 2001 and the implications thereof.

It is our moral and civic duty to entrust to you facts and scientific analyses in the form of peer-reviewed, published scientific papers that clearly and conclusively prove thousands of our fellow human beings and citizens were murdered in controlled and criminal demolitions on September 11, 2001.

Plausible deniability of these facts and evidence is no longer possible.

If you fail to acknowledge and act immediately and decisively on this evidence, then your inaction will constitute misprision of treason in the least, outright treason at worst. The time is now to fulfill your oath to the Constitution and stand tall in the face of the corruption of our Republic. We the People stand with you.

Pursuant to U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115

§ 2381. Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

And § 2382. Misprision of Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

Sincerely,
WeAreChangeLA

Why do I get the feeling these dolts never read How To Win Friends and Influence People?

We Are Changing Into Capitalists

Here's the backup. The video claims that it's a Sub-S corporation, which raises some flags. Sub-S corps can't have more than 100 shareholders, and those shareholders have to be actual people, not corporations or LLCs. On the other hand Sub-S's can donate more than 10% of their taxable income to charities, and I'm sure that's the part that Luke is pushing. Still at the end of the day, a Sub-S corporation turns over all its profits to the shareholders. So any We Are Change Members would be well-advised to ask Luke who the shareholders of We Are Change, Inc., are.

Donn de Grand Pre

For a while now I have been wondering about the character who identifies himself as Colonel Donn de Grand Pre, an elderly man who claimed to have served in the OSS and that he had inside information regarding the "shoot down of United 93" and other things.

After witnessing people like Lauro Chavez, Guy Razer and Eric May, I was rather dubious about his wild claims. So I was rather interested to get an e-mail a couple of weeks ago from a reader, who had contacted Mary Schantag, of the POW Network to get a copy of his service records.

It appears that Grand Pre, did actually retire as a Colonel, but not in the active army, but from the National Guard, after a career mostly spent in Civil Affairs. Additionally he did serve during WWII, but nothing in his record indicates he ever went overseas, much less served in the OSS in Burma.

The sad thing is, like many people who exaggerate their military record, he actually didn't really need to. The guy did serve during the Korean War, where he earned a purple heart and bronze star. I guess he didn't consider that interesting enough, so he had to add in all these fantasies about hanging around with Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs.

Alex Jones Sues One of His Fans

This is indeed hilarious. Alex constantly begs people on the radio show to circulate his videos. He's been pushing for people to come up with a different type of YouTube site because he claims YouTube censors his videos. And what does he do when one of his fans (a former moderator at the Prison Planet Forums) takes him up on his request?

He calls in the lawyers.

LIE: Alex has always said on air PLEASE POST MY VIDEOS AND DOCUMENTARIES EVERYWHERE, make copies, give them away spread my message ..and that's what we were doing , Of course we had advertising space available on the site to try to help supplement the cost of the site and pay for the server bill (JUST AS YOUR VIDEOS ARE ALL OVER YOU TUBE AND THEY SELL ADVERTISING..WHATS THE DIFFERENCE??? YOU DONT GET ANY CUT FROM YOUTUBES ADVERTISING DO YA??), we have never even broken even and remain dipping into our savings to run the website, But thats not good enough ..It seems that Mr. and Mrs Jones Would begrudge us selling ad space in order to pay for the website because they were not getting a CUT of the money??

You mean to tell me it's all about the Benjamins with the Profit of Doom? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

I also love that his lawyer's name is Christopher Gonzales. I wonder if he's one of the Mexican-Americans who Alex claims is just waiting for the word before killing all us gringos.

Hat Tip: Patrick from Cincinnati in the comments.

New Video of WTC-7 from 9-11

This seems to be from the NY CBS affiliate; remember that the segment with the reporter moving around is taped, so ignore the time in the bottom right; that's when the segment aired. Unfortunately the lighting isn't the best so it's hard to figure out which buildings he's looking at, but at least part of it seems to be WTC-7.

Ryan Mackey to Debate Troofers Szamboti, Chandler

On Hardfire, hosted by Ron Wieck. You know that we'll have the video up as soon as it is available. As I mentioned in that thread, I am confident that we are sending the right man into the arena, armed with the facts. Break a leg, Ryan!

The Credulity of Some Reporters Beggars Belief

Check out this amazing article on a 9-11 fruitcake. Not so much for the idiocy he espouses, but for the credulity of the reporter, Dave Rasdal:

To be sure, this is a complicated matter that can’t be fully explained in a column like this or in a two-hour presentation/question/answer session I had with Russ. But, as you listen to Russ and see supporting data, you can’t help but shake your head. A lot of “facts” don’t add up, primary among them:

The speed of collapse. One video shows a building collapse in 8 seconds, which defies the laws of physics. Gravitational pull would require 9.2 seconds. The resistance of concrete and steel would at least double that.

The volume of debris. Sure, dust floated everywhere, indicating the buildings were pulverized. But that doesn’t explain how most of the concrete and steel from a 110-story building could become two or three inches of dust on the ground.

Yes, you can't help but shake your head at a reporter who somehow times "a building collapse" (which building is not specified) at 8 seconds. Of course, as I am getting doggone tired of pointing out, neither tower collapsed in 8 seconds (more like 15-18 seconds), and they did not come down faster than they would have due to gravity, as can be seen by the fact that the debris around them was falling faster than the buildings themselves. Indeed, aside from, say, rocket engines pushing the buildings down, how could they fall faster than gravity, even if we were to accept the Troofer nuts claims of controlled demoltion?

And the volume of debris question is Judy Wood "dustification" zaniness, although she at least has the sense to claim it was the most of the concrete turned to dust, not most of the steel. And indeed Judy comes up:

Wood, a former mechanical engineering professor at Clemson University, examined thousands of photographs and videos of the tragedy from every possible angle. She applied her knowledge to the physical evidence, letting that determine her findings, Russ says.

More moronic musings:

As Russ talks, you wonder along with him. If an airplane crashed into the tower with enough force to bring it down, why didn’t the plane come out the other side? How could the towers collapse so cleanly, spreading only minimal debris over nearby undamaged buildings? If underground fire contributed to the destruction, how could people like Gov. George Pataki walk on the debris without getting burned? Why did Hurricane Erin mysteriously turn away just before the collapse?

I cover these nutters every day, and that is the first I've heard Hurricane Erin brought up as part of the evidence. Why didn't the plane come out the other side? Small bits of it did, but it was largely broken up into small pieces by the impact with the building. How could Pataki walk on the debris without getting burned? Because the fires were underground, duh; there are literally dozens of reports of workers' boots melting from the heat. The towers did not collapse "so cleanly"; indeed many buildings in the area were either completely destroyed by the collapse or suffered major damage, including WTCs 3-7, World Financial Center 2&3, the Winter Garden, Deutsche Bank Building, St. Nicholas' Greek Orthodox Church, etc.

I guess the moral of the story is that the Troofers have gotten good enough at their nonsense that they can fool some particular gullible reporters. One would think he'd at least do some checking around.

Hat Tip: Rich in Iowa, in the comments. Great find!

Update: Check out this timeline by Gerst, if you have any doubts that this reporter should have been hearing "Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" every time Gerst opened his mouth.